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davidvolumes · Post #1 » by **davidvolumes** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 7:06 pm

In hindsight was letting Monroe walk a good idea? At the time Dre had no low post skills. Did letting Monroe walk help or hurt the team in the near term? Would you prefer to have dre and his 200 mil contract or Monroe on a much more reasonable deal Would it have been better to resign Monroe allowing dre to get some seasoning and later trade Monroe? How would you grade svg on that move?

BadMofoPimp · Post #2 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 7:42 pm

No, we are not trading Drummond to the Bucks for Monroe!

coordinator0 · Post #3 » by **coordinator0** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 7:55 pm

No, because you're not building a team around Monroe at center either regardless of the money. Greg is probably getting a pretty nice deal this summer so the difference in contracts won't be quite as vast although Andre is obviously still going to be making more.

Letting Monroe walk and getting Drummond starting on his own as the lone big was the right move anyways. Spacing had to improve and that wasn't going to happen with Greg masquerading as a power forward.

I don't think Drummond would be any better off in regards to developed post moves by now even if Monroe was kept around for another season or two. It's not like Andre was going to absorb the nuances from Greg of post play via osmosis. That's on the coaches.

Post #4 » by **theBigLip** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 8:11 pm

The big mistake was not trading Monroe when we had a chance.

DBC10 · Post #5 » by **DBC10** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 8:22 pm

^On top of that, I think another big mistake was not developing Dre as a face up and midrange shooting capable player.

All he does nowadays is just backdown some guy terribly and throw up a dumb hookshot. That's not winning basketball these days.

The Penguin · Post #6 » by **The Penguin** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 9:21 pm

theBigLip wrote:The big mistake was not trading Monroe when we had a chance.

This.

Realistically, as soon as Drummond showed the type of player he was going to be Monroe should have been shopped. There was no way the pairing would work in today's NBA.

TurboTitan · Post #7 » by **TurboTitan** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 9:24 pm

what do you guys think Monroe could've gotten us in a trade?

The Penguin · Post #8 » by **The Penguin** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:30 pm

Mo-Town wrote:what do you guys think Monroe could've gotten us in a trade?

There were always Harrison Barnes for Monroe rumors popping up. At the very least a late lottery pick.

Hindsight being 20/20 we could have traded him for Jennings, kept Middleton, traded Knight for the Lakers pick from Phoenix he was traded for anyway and had a team that almost makes sense with Drummond / Smith / Middleton / KCP / Jennings + the Lakers pick if it's outside of the top 3 this year.

In SVG We Trust · Post #9 » by **In SVG We Trust** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:52 pm

OKC traded Harden for Kevin freaking Martin so I would bet if we'd have offered them Monroe, Harden would be a Piston nowadays.

The Penguin · Post #10 » by **The Penguin** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 11:10 pm

In SVG We Trust wrote:OKC traded Harden for Kevin freaking Martin so I would bet if we'd have offered them Monroe, Harden would be a Piston nowadays.

Now that's some interesting revisionist history.

We took Drummond in the 2012 draft, Knight in 2011, Monroe in 2010. We did the awful Maggette - Ben Gordon trade in June 2012. Hypothetically if Joe had a little foresight, we could have offered Monroe / Knight / Jerebko / 2 1sts for Harden (the Thunder took Lamb / Martin / 2 1sts from the Rockets) and moved forward with a Harden / Drummond / Middleton core.

Fast forward to 2014, Stan takes over the team, his first FA target was Isaiah Thomas. So in some bizarro world, our team could be:

Drummond
???
Middleton
Harden
IT

Pharaoh · Post #11 » by **Pharaoh** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 11:36 pm

The Penguin wrote:
In SVG We Trust wrote:OKC traded Harden for Kevin freaking Martin so I would bet if we'd have offered them Monroe, Harden would be a Piston nowadays.

Now that's some interesting revisionist history.

We took Drummond in the 2012 draft, Knight in 2011, Monroe in 2010. We did the awful Maggette - Ben Gordon trade in June 2012. Hypothetically if Joe had a little foresight, we could have offered Monroe / Knight / Jerebko / 2 1sts for Harden (the Thunder took Lamb / Martin / 2 1sts from the Rockets) and moved forward with a Harden / Drummond / Middleton core.

Fast forward to 2014, Stan takes over the team, his first FA target was Isaiah Thomas. So in some bizarro world, our team could be:

Drummond
???
Middleton
Harden
IT

That team wouldn't work! Can't have Harden & IT in the same backcourt

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The Penguin · Post #12 » by **The Penguin** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 11:51 pm

Pharaoh wrote:
The Penguin wrote:
In SVG We Trust wrote:OKC traded Harden for Kevin freaking Martin so I would bet if we'd have offered them Monroe, Harden would be a Piston nowadays.

Now that's some interesting revisionist history.

We took Drummond in the 2012 draft, Knight in 2011, Monroe in 2010. We did the awful Maggette - Ben Gordon trade in June 2012. Hypothetically if Joe had a little foresight, we could have offered Monroe / Knight / Jerebko / 2 1sts for Harden (the Thunder took Lamb / Martin / 2 1sts from the Rockets) and moved forward with a Harden / Drummond / Middleton core.

Fast forward to 2014, Stan takes over the team, his first FA target was Isaiah Thomas. So in some bizarro world, our team could be:

Drummond
???
Middleton
Harden
IT

That team wouldn't work! Can't have Harden & IT in the same backcourt

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Ehh, give me that team, I'll worry about that later. (But Harden - Middelton with IT off the bench would work pretty nicely...)

ImHeisenberg · Post #13 » by **ImHeisenberg** » Wed Mar 29, 2017 12:01 am

theBigLip wrote:The big mistake was not trading Monroe when we had a chance.

This. But, Greg had a no-trade clause his last year. Dumars wasn't going to trade him. So, he kind of got lost in the management change.

In SVG We Trust · Post #14 » by **In SVG We Trust** » Wed Mar 29, 2017 7:18 am

Knight paired with Harden would be looking right now like a very good player at the PG position (not a PG anyway)

Post #15 » by **theBigLip** » Wed Mar 29, 2017 3:31 pm

ImHeisenberg wrote:
theBigLip wrote:The big mistake was not trading Monroe when we had a chance.

This. But, Greg had a no-trade clause his last year. Dumars wasn't going to trade him. So, he kind of got lost in the management change.

Agree that the last year of his contract he couldn't be traded but it was the year before we could have gotten something for him.

sc8581 · Post #16 » by **sc8581** » Wed Mar 29, 2017 5:27 pm

theBigLip wrote:
ImHeisenberg wrote:
theBigLip wrote:The big mistake was not trading Monroe when we had a chance.

This. But, Greg had a no-trade clause his last year. Dumars wasn't going to trade him. So, he kind of got lost in the management change.

Agree that the last year of his contract he couldn't be traded but it was the year before we could have gotten something for him.

The year before that I was screaming to move him for Kawhi Leonard, in hindsight we should have moved both guys.

ImHeisenberg · Post #17 » by **ImHeisenberg** » Wed Mar 29, 2017 11:29 pm

theBigLip wrote:
ImHeisenberg wrote:
theBigLip wrote:The big mistake was not trading Monroe when we had a chance.

This. But, Greg had a no-trade clause his last year. Dumars wasn't going to trade him. So, he kind of got lost in the management change.

Agree that the last year of his contract he couldn't be traded but it was the year before we could have gotten something for him.

But, I believe Dumars had every intention of signing him back. When SVG took over, that option was gone and he didn't negotiate with Monroe that summer.