2017 offseason

[SoCalNuggsFan]

First of all, this thread is not me saying the season is over. Even after this game we still have a shot at the playoffs (although it isn't looking very likely).

However, with each loss, we get closer to that point where we have to start thinking about the offseason. Who stays, who goes? Which FAs should we make a run at? Trade possibilities? Who should start over who? There's already a draft thread so that can be discussed there.

It may just be that the Portland loss is so fresh but I wouldn't be upset if Jameer, Barton, Gallo, Plumlee and maybe even Chandler weren't here next year.

I say:
Let Gallo walk. He's gonna want 20+ mil per year on a long term deal and I don't think it's wise to tie up that much on a guy like Gallo. Especially when there will be a few guys due for big raises coming off rookie deals over the life of the deal.

Let plumlee walk if he demands 10+ mil. I don't mind the guy but he's extremely limited on both ends. If he wants to take a 3/30 deal and be Jokic's 12 mpg backup, great. If not, let him go. It will suck to basically pay a first to lose a promising big if we lose plum, but it's better than trading a first and a promising young big for a bad, untradable contract, which is what plumlee on a 17 mil/ year deal would be.

Try to use Barton to move up in the draft. He's still super cheap so some team a few spots above us might move back to pick up a productive cheap wing.

Jameer's still under contract so if you can't dump him on another team, let him ride the bench with Mike miller.

Make a decision on chandler after seeing what else happens in the offseason.

Thoughts? Different directions to go in? Or if you wanna shelve it for another couple weeks, that works too.

[U hova]

Fire Michael Malone.

[psimanic1]

Fire Malone, try to find a coach that knows how to play young playes, maybe someone from NCAA..
If we can't get a S&T lets say with WAS for Oubre, or HOU for Dekker, let Gallo walk.
Try and get anything for Nelson, Barton, 1st round pick for Chandler(or pair him with our pick to get a better one. And lose one season to see what is the best team we can make from our young guys, and which players play best together...

Start season with:
Murray/Mudiay
Harris/Beasley
Hernangomez/Oubre/Dekker/some young SF we get from Gallo/Chandler trade
Young PF we draft/Plumlee
Jokic/Plumlee
If we can't fire Malone, force him to play young guys!

[MidMountain]

My ideal offseason:
1) sign Lowry or Hayward
2) let Gallo walk
3) Re-sign Plumlee for 4/$50
4) Use a combination of Chandler + Barton + Faried + Mudiay for an upgrade at SF or PG

Lowry (or trade target) / Murray
Harris / Murray
Hayward (or trade target) / 1st round pick
Juancho / Plumlee
Jokic / Plumlee

If we can't pull off a trade or sign a FA:
Murray / Mudiay
Harris / Murray
Chandler / Juancho
Juancho / Faried / Plumlee
Jokic / Plumlee

[skywalker33]

Step away from the ledge.....

[skywalker33]

Fire Michael Malone.

I hear Brian Shaw is available......

[Powder Blue]

Come on guys you've all been around awhile, you know there won't be drastic changes....

Gallo has a player option, his agent will probably see what offers are out there and it's possible he opts-in, it's also possible he gets an F'in extension.

Unlikely we move up in the draft, draft trades are fantasized more often than they actually occur.

The front office had the option to clear room for the kid's to play and they didn't do it...I just don't have faith that they'll wise up and do it this summer. Like Barton said they have to choose a direction. This old core isn't meshing with the new core they way they should.

[NuggetsWY]

Fire Michael Malone.

I hear Brian Shaw is available......

Step away from the ledge

[The Rebel]

For those wanting Malone fired, good luck. While Koz actually criticized Malone's game plan on the radio he last couple of games, the rest of the media is pushing the whole Malone is great angle, and given the way so many of them are nothing more than mouth pieces for the franchise, and given how well liked and hyped Malone is by the media I doubt he goes anywhere any time soon.

Personally I think it is past time to move on from many of the veterans, it would not hurt my feelings at all if Gallo, Chandler, Nelson, Barton, and Plumlee were all gone before next season.

I would trade Nelson for a future 2nd, and sign Darren Collison to be our starting PG until Murray or Mudiay is ready. Collison is used to playing off a ball dominant big and still being a solid player.

I would let Gallo walk or if he opts in trade him for a future pick.

I would trade Barton and Chandler for a young backup center and a young defensive SF.

Try to sign Hayward or Porter to a deal at 1201 and 1202 when free agency opens up.

That being said like Powder Blue said I doubt anything really happens other than a lot of talk about how they tried but the right deal did not present itself. After all these guys still have value, and judging by the Lawson and Nurkic deal our front office prefers to wait until the value drops to nothing.

[skywalker33]

Come on guys you've all been around awhile, you know there won't be drastic changes....

Gallo has a player option, his agent will probably see what offers are out there and it's possible he opts-in, it's also possible he gets an F'in extension.

Unlikely we move up in the draft, draft trades are fantasized more often than they actually occur.

The front office had the option to clear room for the kid's to play and they didn't do it...I just don't have faith that they'll wise up and do it this summer. Like Barton said they have to choose a direction. This old core isn't meshing with the new core they way they should.

But there WILL be the open promise of such changes ...."we're looking to be aggressive this off-season", anyone want to bet that we hear those EXACT words

[DaFan334]

Nurkic is a pretty big black eye on TC and Malone IMO and I think both should be reevaluated this offseason because of it. Malone should have found a way to use him with Jokic, which I feel was possible using the offense we are now running. Him not doing so was a large failure. TC not forcing that and then trading him with a pick for a lessor player, while somewhat the hand he was forced, now looks like a huge mistake. Personally, I would keep TC and dump Malone but I doubt either will happen. Malone might be on a short leash next year though.

We probably need to make a move for a veteran point guard until Murray is ready to take over. I would like to see us make a run at one of these guys, in this order: Lawry, Hill, Teague, Holliday, Rose. If Gallo opts out, we should make a run at Hayward or Porter if not try to bring back Gallo. If Plumlee is gone, we should go after Ibaka to replace him.

[SoCalNuggsFan]

Nurkic is a pretty big black eye on TC and Malone IMO and I think both should be reevaluated this offseason because of it. Malone should have found a way to use him with Jokic, which I feel was possible using the offense we are now running. Him not doing so was a large failure. TC not forcing that and then trading him with a pick for a lessor player, while somewhat the hand he was forced, now looks like a huge mistake. Personally, I would keep TC and dump Malone but I doubt either will happen. Malone might be on a short leash next year though.

We probably need to make a move for a veteran point guard until Murray is ready to take over. I would like to see us make a run at one of these guys, in this order: Lawry, Hill, Teague, Holliday, Rose. If Gallo opts out, we should make a run at Hayward or Porter if not try to bring back Gallo. If Plumlee is gone, we should go after Ibaka to replace him.

I like the idea of a

Ibaka/Faried/DA
Jokic/Ibaka/Cornelie

Big rotation

[psimanic1]

Don't think TC has much to do with Nurkic..Malone did everything he could to burn his value into the ground and we atually got something in return for him. But if someone shoul be reevaluated its Josh! He has final word, and if he was able to fire Karl just because he didn't play JaVale **** McGeeee then he should fire Malone too! We have enough young guys with huge potential and I'm afraid we could lose all of them for nothing because of Malone..Nobody questions if Chandler and Gallo want to play POs right? Maybe they want to finish this season as soon as they can and do everything they can to leave Denver because of Malone. Some of those guys did it with Shaw, what makes you think they are not doing it again?
Afterall, we can always trade Murray, Mudiay for 2nd round picks and bring Miller and A.Carter back to backup Nelson, that way we would have Carter to make inbound plays when we are 1-2 pts behind in 4th Q...

[tstrick33]

I'm trying to think realistically, based on past TC actions what will happen this offseason. While my number one preference is Lowry, I don't see Toronto letting him walk. Here's what I'm thinking will happen:

-Blake Griffin will opt out if LAC has another failed playoff, ONE team will offer him the Max he's looking for and we'll offer to him the minute he opts out. I think Griffin comes to Denver.
-If Griffin doesn't get the max offer Millsap will get it from us, then ATL has to ask if he's worth it at his age.

TC probably took a big piece of humble pie with Nurk blowing up on us and he's gonna want to find a big guy to counteract that move.

With the remaining $10-15 M I think they look for a value FA and offer Patty Mills a good chunk of what is left. That's what I would like them to do if they get a max player in either Griffin or Millsap.

This is all assuming and hoping Gallo opts out and Plumlee walks.

[SoCalNuggsFan]

I've been in the "yeah, Malone isn't great, but he's probably as good or better than anyone we'd bring in" camp, but what if Stan Van Gundy gets fired? That might be a guy I'd move on from Malone for.

[skywalker33]

I've been in the "yeah, Malone isn't great, but he's probably as good or better than anyone we'd bring in" camp, but what if Stan Van Gundy gets fired? That might be a guy I'd move on from Malone for.

I like to think SVG is a better coach, but what has he done for DET or ORL for that matter ?? I think his better days are behind him. Thibs is a better coach but even with the talent he has, MIN is still working it out, it takes time. Firing Malone early seems like starting over and may be a bit premature w/o a proven upgrade.

[NuggetsWY]

Who are the "hustle players" on the Nuggets? Guys that do not hesitate to dive for a loose ball? Guys that are frequently seen scrambling to cover an open shooter? Guys that give a serious effort in a mis-match situation? Consider that most "hustle players" are good defenders - not all, but most.

Jokic is not quick, but IMO he hustles and scraps.
Faried is the definition of "hustle player".
Hernangomez? Maybe, not so sure.
Beasley? How would we know? Haven't seen enough!
Harris? He's not at Faried's level, but he seems to always find a way to get involved.
Murray? Shows signs of being a good "hustle player".
Plumlee? Yeah, he hustles. He's not a huge offensive scorer, we get it. But he gives tries to cover for teammates and fights for boards.

Mudiay, Nelson, Chandler, Gallinari, Arthur? All seem to prefer slow motion over hustle, except Gallinari when driving to the hoop.

[The Rebel]

Who are the "hustle players" on the Nuggets? Guys that do not hesitate to dive for a loose ball? Guys that are frequently seen scrambling to cover an open shooter? Guys that give a serious effort in a mis-match situation? Consider that most "hustle players" are good defenders - not all, but most.

Jokic is not quick, but IMO he hustles and scraps.
Faried is the definition of "hustle player".
Hernangomez? Maybe, not so sure.
Beasley? How would we know? Haven't seen enough!
Harris? He's not at Faried's level, but he seems to always find a way to get involved.
Murray? Shows signs of being a good "hustle player".
Plumlee? Yeah, he hustles. He's not a huge offensive scorer, we get it. But he gives tries to cover for teammates and fights for boards.

Mudiay, Nelson, Chandler, Gallinari, Arthur? All seem to prefer slow motion over hustle, except Gallinari when driving to the hoop.

It depends on how they are all feeling, but when they feel like winning there is not a lack of hustle on the team.

I see the team's 2 biggest problems mentally is several guys cannot handle the big pressure of a playoff chase and too many guys take games off mentally.

[skywalker33]

If we can move Nelson, what would you think of Jrue Holliday ? I know he's had some injury problems but he's a solid PG and actually can play some defense.

[NuggetsWY]

If we can move Nelson, what would you think of Jrue Holliday ? I know he's had some injury problems but he's a solid PG and actually can play some defense.

I think he'd be great for Murray, if Malone actually lets Murray play some PG.
I think Rondo might be available and I think he'd be better for Mudiay.
I'd rather they brought in someone like Billups onto staff (for Mudiay) and let Murray & Mudiay share PG.