2016-17 Rookie Watch thread

[SkyHookFTW]

Saric vs Nets tonight drops 23 with 7 boards.

[76ers]

I don't see how Saric doesn't win this.

Yeah, ROY is pretty much his at this point, with no real debate imo.

[skones]

Malcolm Brogdon was incredible in the 4th quarter tonight.

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[Prez]

Brogdon is the best (healthy) rookie in the league.

[King-]

Brogdon is the best (healthy) rookie in the league.

No way. Brogdon is nice, but Saric is on another level, IMO.

You guys just made me check the box score thinking Brogdon had like 30 + lol. 16-9-4 is nice and while I'm sure he had a nice 4th quarter; Saric dropped 20+ 7 times in March, and the Sixers have won 6 on those games.

There simply cannot be a comparison, Brogdon plays with one of the best players in the league, and has a playoff team around him. Saric, and Covington are basically playing with a roster full of D-Leaguers.

Now, I will say that: obviously it does mean something in Brogdon's favor that he is playing on a playoff team, no doubt. But I think it's a null point when you take into consideration that Saric's best games are typically victories/close to victories against solid teams. They beat Boston this month, etc. If he was putting up great stats, with high usage, on a team that is dropping all of these games, then Brogdon playing on a playoff team would mean more, IMO, but since the Sixers aren't the same team getting blown out by 40 every night- there is no queston, not only is Saric ROY, but he's the best healthiest rookie. He is looking like a player you can build around, although I'm sure that'll come back down to earth. Where as Brogdon would probably be nowhere near as effective and efficient as Saric has been since February-ish if you switched their roles and teams (in MY opinion).

[Prez]

Brogdon is the best (healthy) rookie in the league.

No way. Brogdon is nice, but Saric is on another level, IMO.

You guys just made me check the box score thinking Brogdon had like 30 + lol. 16-9-4 is nice and while I'm sure he had a nice 4th quarter; Saric dropped 20+ 7 times in March, and the Sixers have won 6 on those games.

There simply cannot be a comparison, Brogdon plays with one of the best players in the league, and has a playoff team around him. Saric, and Covington are basically playing with a roster full of D-Leaguers.

Now, I will say that: obviously it does mean something in Brogdon's favor that he is playing on a playoff team, no doubt. But I think it's a null point when you take into consideration that Saric's best games are typically victories/close to victories against solid teams. They beat Boston this month, etc. If he was putting up great stats, with high usage, on a team that is dropping all of these games, then Brogdon playing on a playoff team would mean more, IMO, but since the Sixers aren't the same team getting blown out by 40 every night- there is no queston, not only is Saric ROY, but he's the best healthiest rookie. He is looking like a player you can build around, although I'm sure that'll come back down to earth. Where as Brogdon would probably be nowhere near as effective and efficient as Saric has been since February-ish if you switched their roles and teams (in MY opinion).

If you want to go by box score numbers, cool, I'm not gonna stop you. In terms of actual impact I'm going with Brogdon all day every day.

[DrWood]

Brogdon is the best (healthy) rookie in the league.

No way. Brogdon is nice, but Saric is on another level, IMO.

You guys just made me check the box score thinking Brogdon had like 30 + lol. 16-9-4 is nice and while I'm sure he had a nice 4th quarter; Saric dropped 20+ 7 times in March, and the Sixers have won 6 on those games.

There simply cannot be a comparison, Brogdon plays with one of the best players in the league, and has a playoff team around him. Saric, and Covington are basically playing with a roster full of D-Leaguers.

Now, I will say that: obviously it does mean something in Brogdon's favor that he is playing on a playoff team, no doubt. But I think it's a null point when you take into consideration that Saric's best games are typically victories/close to victories against solid teams. They beat Boston this month, etc. If he was putting up great stats, with high usage, on a team that is dropping all of these games, then Brogdon playing on a playoff team would mean more, IMO, but since the Sixers aren't the same team getting blown out by 40 every night- there is no queston, not only is Saric ROY, but he's the best healthiest rookie. He is looking like a player you can build around, although I'm sure that'll come back down to earth. Where as Brogdon would probably be nowhere near as effective and efficient as Saric has been since February-ish if you switched their roles and teams (in MY opinion).

You do understand that someone has to score, even on abysmal teams, right? Brogdon is a much better basketball player at this point. Whether that will be true in three years, I don't know, but ROY isn't about potential.

Saric is a mediocre basketball player at best right now and it would be a travesty if he is selected ROY.

[DrWood]

I'd prefer the advanced metric guy get rewarded with the award (Brogdon), but the counting stats guys almost always win the award. Has there ever been a RotY winner that never even won a Rookie of the Month during the season? I don't think Brogdon will get much consideration.

what do you consider "consideration"?
IMO, if someone doesn't put him 1st or 2nd on his ballot, his voting rights should be taken away.

[King-]

Brogdon is the best (healthy) rookie in the league.

No way. Brogdon is nice, but Saric is on another level, IMO.

You guys just made me check the box score thinking Brogdon had like 30 + lol. 16-9-4 is nice and while I'm sure he had a nice 4th quarter; Saric dropped 20+ 7 times in March, and the Sixers have won 6 on those games.

There simply cannot be a comparison, Brogdon plays with one of the best players in the league, and has a playoff team around him. Saric, and Covington are basically playing with a roster full of D-Leaguers.

Now, I will say that: obviously it does mean something in Brogdon's favor that he is playing on a playoff team, no doubt. But I think it's a null point when you take into consideration that Saric's best games are typically victories/close to victories against solid teams. They beat Boston this month, etc. If he was putting up great stats, with high usage, on a team that is dropping all of these games, then Brogdon playing on a playoff team would mean more, IMO, but since the Sixers aren't the same team getting blown out by 40 every night- there is no queston, not only is Saric ROY, but he's the best healthiest rookie. He is looking like a player you can build around, although I'm sure that'll come back down to earth. Where as Brogdon would probably be nowhere near as effective and efficient as Saric has been since February-ish if you switched their roles and teams (in MY opinion).

You do understand that someone has to score, even on abysmal teams, right? Brogdon is a much better basketball player at this point. Whether that will be true in three years, I don't know, but ROY isn't about potential.

Saric is a mediocre basketball player at best right now and it would be a travesty if he is selected ROY.

Saric is a mediocre basketball player?

-Says, one person only.

You guys are blind homers, no point in discussing basketball with you. Enjoy Malcom Brogdon... the "most talented rookie," according to noone in the world except for 1000 people in Wisconsin

[King-]

Brogdon is the best (healthy) rookie in the league.

No way. Brogdon is nice, but Saric is on another level, IMO.

You guys just made me check the box score thinking Brogdon had like 30 + lol. 16-9-4 is nice and while I'm sure he had a nice 4th quarter; Saric dropped 20+ 7 times in March, and the Sixers have won 6 on those games.

There simply cannot be a comparison, Brogdon plays with one of the best players in the league, and has a playoff team around him. Saric, and Covington are basically playing with a roster full of D-Leaguers.

Now, I will say that: obviously it does mean something in Brogdon's favor that he is playing on a playoff team, no doubt. But I think it's a null point when you take into consideration that Saric's best games are typically victories/close to victories against solid teams. They beat Boston this month, etc. If he was putting up great stats, with high usage, on a team that is dropping all of these games, then Brogdon playing on a playoff team would mean more, IMO, but since the Sixers aren't the same team getting blown out by 40 every night- there is no queston, not only is Saric ROY, but he's the best healthiest rookie. He is looking like a player you can build around, although I'm sure that'll come back down to earth. Where as Brogdon would probably be nowhere near as effective and efficient as Saric has been since February-ish if you switched their roles and teams (in MY opinion).

If you want to go by box score numbers, cool, I'm not gonna stop you. In terms of actual impact I'm going with Brogdon all day every day.

I watch the games. Brogdon plays with a superstar, and a team with good players from top to bottom. Saric plays with scrubs, and they still win games.

You guys are acting like he's terribly inefficient and just scoring by default. His efficiency has been one of the best aspects of his game since about January.

The real question is: What would Brogdon do on this Philly team? In my opinion, he'd be no better then TJ Mccconell.

[Prez]

No way. Brogdon is nice, but Saric is on another level, IMO.

You guys just made me check the box score thinking Brogdon had like 30 + lol. 16-9-4 is nice and while I'm sure he had a nice 4th quarter; Saric dropped 20+ 7 times in March, and the Sixers have won 6 on those games.

There simply cannot be a comparison, Brogdon plays with one of the best players in the league, and has a playoff team around him. Saric, and Covington are basically playing with a roster full of D-Leaguers.

Now, I will say that: obviously it does mean something in Brogdon's favor that he is playing on a playoff team, no doubt. But I think it's a null point when you take into consideration that Saric's best games are typically victories/close to victories against solid teams. They beat Boston this month, etc. If he was putting up great stats, with high usage, on a team that is dropping all of these games, then Brogdon playing on a playoff team would mean more, IMO, but since the Sixers aren't the same team getting blown out by 40 every night- there is no queston, not only is Saric ROY, but he's the best healthiest rookie. He is looking like a player you can build around, although I'm sure that'll come back down to earth. Where as Brogdon would probably be nowhere near as effective and efficient as Saric has been since February-ish if you switched their roles and teams (in MY opinion).

If you want to go by box score numbers, cool, I'm not gonna stop you. In terms of actual impact I'm going with Brogdon all day every day.

I watch the games. Brogdon plays with a superstar, and a team with good players from top to bottom. Saric plays with scrubs, and they still win games.

You guys are acting like he's terribly inefficient and just scoring by default. His efficiency has been one of the best aspects of his game since about January.

The real question is: What would Brogdon do on this Philly team? In my opinion, he'd be no better then TJ Mccconell.

Then you don't know what you're talking about, and your opinion on Brogdon doesn't mean a whole lot.

[CoreyGallagher]

I don't really understand the arguing, they're both going to be in consideration. Both have had hit and miss performances, but ultimately have played well.

[King-]

If you want to go by box score numbers, cool, I'm not gonna stop you. In terms of actual impact I'm going with Brogdon all day every day.

I watch the games. Brogdon plays with a superstar, and a team with good players from top to bottom. Saric plays with scrubs, and they still win games.

You guys are acting like he's terribly inefficient and just scoring by default. His efficiency has been one of the best aspects of his game since about January.

The real question is: What would Brogdon do on this Philly team? In my opinion, he'd be no better then TJ Mccconell.

Then you don't know what you're talking about, and your opinion on Brogdon doesn't mean a whole lot.

That's fine. But he isn't winning Rookie of the Year, IMO. So. Yeah.

Ask all the coaches in the league, their entire fanbases- and the commentators who watch every game and I guarantee you 90% of everybody says they'd have Dario Saric over Malcom Brogdon.

[Prez]

I watch the games. Brogdon plays with a superstar, and a team with good players from top to bottom. Saric plays with scrubs, and they still win games.

You guys are acting like he's terribly inefficient and just scoring by default. His efficiency has been one of the best aspects of his game since about January.

The real question is: What would Brogdon do on this Philly team? In my opinion, he'd be no better then TJ Mccconell.

Then you don't know what you're talking about, and your opinion on Brogdon doesn't mean a whole lot.

That's fine. But he isn't winning Rookie of the Year, so you might as well get out of the denial stage now

Ask all the coaches in the league, their entire fanbases- and the commentators who watch every game and I guarentee you 90% of everybody says they'd have Dario Saric over Malcom effin' Brogdon.

Sorry to burst your bubble

Notice how I never said anything about ROY in any of my posts. Nor did I say one thing about who would be better long-term. Keep putting words in my mouth bud.

You can twist it any way you want to but Brogdon has been a more impactful player than Saric this year and that's not really even debatable.

[King-]

Then you don't know what you're talking about, and your opinion on Brogdon doesn't mean a whole lot.

That's fine. But he isn't winning Rookie of the Year, so you might as well get out of the denial stage now

Ask all the coaches in the league, their entire fanbases- and the commentators who watch every game and I guarentee you 90% of everybody says they'd have Dario Saric over Malcom effin' Brogdon.

Sorry to burst your bubble

Notice how I never said anything about ROY in any of my posts. Nor did I say one thing about who would be better long-term. Keep putting words in my mouth bud.

You can twist it any way you want to but Brogdon has been a more impactful player than Saric this year and that's not really even debatable.

I edited my post because I came across kind of mean. Sorry.

Anyway, I disagree. Once again: Brogdon is playing with one of the best players in the league. Put basically any point guard in the league who's decent enough to start- and they'd replicate the same numbers as Brogdon this year and have the same impact, IMO.

Put Brogdon on the Sixers, and he'd look no different then their starting point guard now.

[Eta Carinae]

I like Brogdon and I think he will be a really solid player in this league but I dont get this notion that what he is doing is more impressive because of higher efficiency. It is pretty obvious that will be the case when you are playing with a team stacked with talent instead of playing with a team where all talent is sidelined because of injuries. And it is not like Saric putting up empty stats considering how often they win.

[Rastas]

Brogdon hasn't even done close to enough to edge out the 2nd 76er (Embid) from runner up , damn if Simmons didn't have his foot accident the 76ers would of possibly had the top 3 rookies this year.

[King-]

Brogdon's team around him for a large part of the year:

Greek Freak
Middleton
Parker
Monroe

He's a product of the players around him. He's not good enough to be a #1,2, or even 3 guy probably in this league.... whereas the general consensus on Saric is that he could possibly be a #2 guy, etc. It's not even close.

I guarantee you nobody outside of Wisconsin will take Brogdon over Saric, and that's okay, you're defending your boy. But you're going to end up being wrong, IMHO.

[Prez]

That's fine. But he isn't winning Rookie of the Year, so you might as well get out of the denial stage now

Ask all the coaches in the league, their entire fanbases- and the commentators who watch every game and I guarentee you 90% of everybody says they'd have Dario Saric over Malcom effin' Brogdon.

Sorry to burst your bubble

Notice how I never said anything about ROY in any of my posts. Nor did I say one thing about who would be better long-term. Keep putting words in my mouth bud.

You can twist it any way you want to but Brogdon has been a more impactful player than Saric this year and that's not really even debatable.

I edited my post because I came across kind of mean. Sorry.

Anyway, I disagree. Once again: Brogdon is playing with one of the best players in the league. Put basically any point guard in the league who's decent enough to start- and they'd replicate the same numbers as Brogdon this year and have the same impact, IMO.

Put Brogdon on the Sixers, and he'd look no different then their starting point guard now.

This is an absolutely ridiculous and unfair way of looking at it. It's just terrible logic. Giannis has nothing to do with Brogdon being a ridiculously composed, high IQ, good defensive, crafty PG who regularly controls games on his own. Acting like he's this random dude just feeding off Giannis is totally disingenuous and again reeks of not watching him play, and the McConnell comp really highlights that. You're totally dismissing everything that makes Brogdon, Brogdon and just attributing it all to the "Giannis effect". It's an extremely lazy way of evaluating players.

[3Diamantidis]

Put Brogdon on the Sixers, and he'd look no different then their starting point guard now.

Cmon man.
I think that Saric is ROTY too and i would love to have him on my team.
But Brogdon is amazing as well.
You won't find any other player on this draft class so solid when it really matters. He hasn't hit any rookie walls, he has been consistent all season long.
For a guy who is not considered a guy you should lock if you want to win(like everybody are doing against the sixers with saric since embiid is off), his impact is really significant for a winning team.
He is clutch, he is a great shooter(best rookie by far at 3s), he can pass(leads the bucks in the last games), he can defend.
That's a 2 way type of player. One more for the bucks after giannis and middleton. That's how you build a core.
With a guy who was selected at the 2nd round.