This offseason

[Prokorov]

That's an insane amount of truly putrid salary for nothing more than some mid picks, a hard pass.

You need at least a top 10 pick for taking on that kind of salary.

But no one is giving a top 10 pick to shed salary... that opportunity doesnt exsist. are we getting great value for eating salary? No, we arent. but its better then watching our cap space go to more Trevor bookers or maxing out a KCP.

I'd rather be 20-25 wins for 3 years and add a bunch of 15-20 type first round talent rookies then to win 35 games and look like the current pistons with a bunch of overpaid role guys and fringe all-stars that need to play great just to land a 7 seed.

The value we'd get for taking on 45 million in salary isnt great.... but our cap space is also not valuable since we dont have anyone all that good who would take it.... that cap space is going to bring back undervalued returns either way. might as well get picks for it

I wouldn't budge then. As TJ and others have said, Turner's contract is just a no-go.

I would hope Marks would do his due diligence to get a pick in the mid first round, but not this route.

The 15 and the 20, plus Leonard and Crabbe for Lopez and either Nicholsen or Hamilton and say the later of our two picks, that's a lot more amendable.

But i dont think portland does it without turner... and which point i have to ask, am i turning down 2 first rounders so i dont have to eat evan turner?

And my awnser is no... reason being i cant see us that 17M for anything really better. If we hit a home run in RFA then sure, you pass on this deal. but if RFA's get matched, who are we using the cap space on? better players then turner maybe... but not much better then the bookers of the world in all likely hood and without the #15/20 picks.

Crabbe/Leonard are useful rotation players. maybe crabbe a starter. plus 2 picks in the 14-20 range. to me thats worth lopez and eating turner.

i think you need to consider the alternatives for that cap space. its sound nice penciling in George Hill and Otto Porter... but short of that, this is a really interesting option.

And its one of those things where once you look at:

Lin, Levert, Crabbe, RHJ, Jackson, Mitchell, Adebayo, Bacon, Hartenstein or whomever.... you forget real quick that you have a albatross contract in Turner for 2-3 years

[kamaze]

any chance we get rid of hamilton or nicholson this offseason?

They're on the books next year Nicholson for another 2 years. Hamilton can be lumped into a deal easier since he's an expiring contract but he's ok for a guy that doesn't play much especially for $3 million good luck trading Nicholson.

[Nostalgialite]

The keepers for me on this roster consist of:

Lin, Brook (more on this later), LeVert, RHJ (I guess? more on this to), Whitehead, KJ, Harris, Booker, Dinwiddie

Fans want to trade Brook and get some sort of value for him, but in my opinion, there is no market for him anymore (reasons why below) unless they want to sell extremely low, which they shouldn't.

1. The Demarcus Cousins trade **** up the market. One of the best centers in the league got (as of now) got very little value. Hield has looked good, and who knows if that top 3 protected pick becomes the Kings, but it's bad value for a guy like Boogie. It hurt the nets cause it took a suitor (NOP) off the table, and lessened the value of Brook, who the Nets apparently want 2 first rounders for.

2. There aren't teams that need a center, especially one that has a 20M salary that can't defend in P&R. If his salary was lower, around like 13-15 million, I'd say a trade would be more likely. Teams either have a young, developing center that they are investing in, or a horrible and/or overpaid center that'd be willing to move on from, but the assets they have aren't worth trading for Brook.

The realistic options to me if there was ever gonna be a Brook trade would be the Hornets, Orlando, and Bucks. Lopez has been rumored to the Hornets before. Orlando doesn't need Brook, but he sure as hell would help the spacing of that offense. Kidd wanted to trade Lopez to the Bucks, but who knows his stance on that know, especially with having to pay Jabari soon. Besides them, I don't see one. Portland doesn't need a center anymore since they have Nurkic. Pelicans got Boogie with AD. PHX has Tyson Chandler and Alex Len (who hasn't shown much), but they aren't willing to part from any of their assets for a trade. Dallas has Noel now. The list goes on.

I just don't know about Rondae. He doesn't shoot well from anywhere on the court and he doesn't have a true position on the court it seems (to his credit though, he's done better as a PF since the ASG). He still does reckless drives to the basket and attempts horrible shots. His handles doesn't seem like it has improved. Maybe he's a late bloomer like Otto Porter, but I'm down on Rondae. It's hard to justify trading a young player for another young player, but if I was the GM, I'd feel around calls about RHJ and see if people value him more then I do. If you can't get good value, keep him.

Goners:
Acy - I'm not as high on Acy as everyone else. He's been really good at shooting, but it was going to drop off eventually. Other then that and rebounding, he doesn't do much for me personally and I feel like there's better options with upside in the draft and FA.

Kilpatrick - The time Kilpatrick was out made me realize that he's important to the team because the bench needs dire help to score, but if we're chasing for guards in FA or the draft, I don't see how remains on this roster going into next season. Can't keep him and try to develop whitehead.

Foye - Old, probably has earned another contract elsewhere

Hamilton - Has barely played for stretches. Need a more defensive minded center to backup Brook.

Nicholson - Hasn't shown much in his time here, but probably stays on the roster because of his contract. Wouldn't be mad if they stretched him.

Goodwin - Need to see more of him to really formulate an opinion.

Players I'd attempt to get:

KCP
Otto Porter
Patty Mills (Sean Marks connection)
Nikola Mirotic
Tim Hardaway JR (section tier option if they miss out on KCP)
James Young (hasn't done **** in the league, but upside pick up. should be a last resort type of add)
Korver (For vet presence and knows Kenny)
Jeff Teague (Knows kenny, Indy in free-fall. doubt he'd come, would require making Lin the SG)
Tyler Ennis (see James Young)
Tony Snell
Shabazz Muhammad
Adreian Payne (see James Young)
Tiago Splitter (Sean Marks connection)
Ben McLemore (should be second tier option if they miss out on KCP)
Langston Galloway (if he opts out)
Joe Ingles

[Prokorov]

Fans want to trade Brook and get some sort of value for him, but in my opinion, there is no market for him anymore (reasons why below) unless they want to sell extremely low, which they shouldn't.

I dont need value for brook... id be fine selling him for 40 cents on the dollar over letting him walk. i wouldnt entertain an extension. the experiment with him as a top 3 player here failed. our ceiling with him in any starting role is pretty limited. time to move on.

I just don't know about Rondae. He doesn't shoot well from anywhere on the court and he doesn't have a true position on the court it seems (to his credit though, he's done better as a PF since the ASG). He still does reckless drives to the basket and attempts horrible shots. His handles doesn't seem like it has improved. Maybe he's a late bloomer like Otto Porter, but I'm down on Rondae. It's hard to justify trading a young player for another young player, but if I was the GM, I'd feel around calls about RHJ and see if people value him more then I do. If you can't get good value, keep him.

60+ TS as a PF. and once we add talent he ideally is a bench player anyhow.

KCP
Otto Porter
Patty Mills (Sean Marks connection)
Nikola Mirotic
Tim Hardaway JR (section tier option if they miss out on KCP)
James Young (hasn't done **** in the league, but upside pick up. should be a last resort type of add)
Korver (For vet presence and knows Kenny)
Jeff Teague (Knows kenny, Indy in free-fall. doubt he'd come, would require making Lin the SG)
Tyler Ennis (see James Young)
Tony Snell
Shabazz Muhammad
Adreian Payne (see James Young)
Tiago Splitter (Sean Marks connection)
Ben McLemore (should be second tier option if they miss out on KCP)
Langston Galloway (if he opts out)
Joe Ingles

KCP and porter cost the max... to me neither is worth it. i dont max role guys.

patty mills is a guy who plays a role on a contender. cant see him having interest here... marks or not.

mirotic was a stretch 4 who didnt shoot it well. would cost mid level money. would pass

hardway Jr is bazemore 2.0 id pass

james young id take if it was dirt cheap. like 3/15

Teague id take at the right price. 18-20 million. wouldnt max him. dont think he woud consider us. horford didnt.

mclemore is hot trash. wouldnt take him for peanuts.

I like galloway/snell/ingles.

I'd also make a run at covington. he is better then KCP.

[Nostalgialite]

I dont need value for brook... id be fine selling him for 40 cents on the dollar over letting him walk. i wouldnt entertain an extension. the experiment with him as a top 3 player here failed. our ceiling with him in any starting role is pretty limited. time to move on.

60+ TS as a PF. and once we add talent he ideally is a bench player anyhow.

KCP and porter cost the max... to me neither is worth it. i dont max role guys.

patty mills is a guy who plays a role on a contender. cant see him having interest here... marks or not.

mirotic was a stretch 4 who didnt shoot it well. would cost mid level money. would pass

hardway Jr is bazemore 2.0 id pass

james young id take if it was dirt cheap. like 3/15

Teague id take at the right price. 18-20 million. wouldnt max him. dont think he woud consider us. horford didnt.

mclemore is hot trash. wouldnt take him for peanuts.

I like galloway/snell/ingles.

I'd also make a run at covington. he is better then KCP.

Brook has his deficiencies with deficiencies on offense (tunnel vision), P&R defense, and rebounding, but he's still a good player. Nets should either get the value they and or let him stay until they get their picks back.

KCP and porter cost the max... to me neither is worth it. i dont max role guys.

Going to have to max them if the Nets want them. They aren't worth it, but if they want the talent they need to

patty mills is a guy who plays a role on a contender. cant see him having interest here... marks or not.

Probably, kinda depends on what Mills though. If he wants a bigger role as a starter, the nets should give him an offer. I think like most spurs players now-a-days, he'll take less to stay around

mirotic was a stretch 4 who didnt shoot it well. would cost mid level money. would pass

Agree on the shooting, disagree on the passing on him if he cost mid-level money. He can be okay, which is what this team needs. Rather have him than Acy because I think Mirotic has a better upside.

james young id take if it was dirt cheap. like 3/15

There is no way James Young makes 5M per year when he hasn't accomplished anything in his career. He'll be cheap

Teague id take at the right price. 18-20 million. wouldnt max him. dont think he woud consider us. horford didnt.

I think if Pacers trade PG in the off season, there's a realistic chance that he may come here. If PG stays, no way.

mclemore is hot trash. wouldnt take him for peanuts.

The Nets need to take chances. The Kings are one of the worst organizations in the league and possibly stunted his growth. Take a flyer as long as it's a reasonable price and see if he can develop here.

I'd also make a run at covington. he is better then KCP.

No way Philly declines his team option. Wouldn't be a FA for another year. I like him too, especially as a wing defender.

[Trader_Joe]

Dumb dream hypothetical, but how good would this team be...

Paul l Dinwiddie
Lin l Whitehead
LeVert l #1
Griffin l RHJ l Acy
Lopez l #1
+
Room Exception
Indy/Bos #2
Minimum deals for wannabee ring chasers.

Dumping Booker, McDaniels, Nicholson, Hamilton, Harris and S.Kill for cap space to afford two max deals.

[twosevenstreet]

James Young would be interesting, he's a UFA and doesn't turn 22 till August. He's a year younger than CLV and months younger than RHJ and IW

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[vincecarter4pres]

But no one is giving a top 10 pick to shed salary... that opportunity doesnt exsist. are we getting great value for eating salary? No, we arent. but its better then watching our cap space go to more Trevor bookers or maxing out a KCP.

I'd rather be 20-25 wins for 3 years and add a bunch of 15-20 type first round talent rookies then to win 35 games and look like the current pistons with a bunch of overpaid role guys and fringe all-stars that need to play great just to land a 7 seed.

The value we'd get for taking on 45 million in salary isnt great.... but our cap space is also not valuable since we dont have anyone all that good who would take it.... that cap space is going to bring back undervalued returns either way. might as well get picks for it

I wouldn't budge then. As TJ and others have said, Turner's contract is just a no-go.

I would hope Marks would do his due diligence to get a pick in the mid first round, but not this route.

The 15 and the 20, plus Leonard and Crabbe for Lopez and either Nicholsen or Hamilton and say the later of our two picks, that's a lot more amendable.

But i dont think portland does it without turner... and which point i have to ask, am i turning down 2 first rounders so i dont have to eat evan turner?

And my awnser is no... reason being i cant see us that 17M for anything really better. If we hit a home run in RFA then sure, you pass on this deal. but if RFA's get matched, who are we using the cap space on? better players then turner maybe... but not much better then the bookers of the world in all likely hood and without the #15/20 picks.

Crabbe/Leonard are useful rotation players. maybe crabbe a starter. plus 2 picks in the 14-20 range. to me thats worth lopez and eating turner.

i think you need to consider the alternatives for that cap space. its sound nice penciling in George Hill and Otto Porter... but short of that, this is a really interesting option.

And its one of those things where once you look at:

Lin, Levert, Crabbe, RHJ, Jackson, Mitchell, Adebayo, Bacon, Hartenstein or whomever.... you forget real quick that you have a albatross contract in Turner for 2-3 years

The problem with Turner is though, that you have to play him given that contract, so those minutes and his style of play take away from everyone else.

I'd be higher on this deal if Turner could somehow be shipped out for a different horrible contract. Maybe even Mahinmi lol.

And Nicholsen and Hamilton would have to be outgoing as well.

And 4 1st rounders is nice and all and I get this team is devoid of big time talent, but there would have to be a move or 2 to move up in the draft as well, or else it's not so great imho. It's just too many young guys competing for the same roles and minutes, short and especially long term. Have to turn those 4 picks into 1 or 2 higher picks. Get into the top 10. Or keep the 15 and turn 2 or 3 of the 20, 24 and 25 into another pick in the 12 to 17 range.

[Paradise]

There was a reporter on twitter during the deadline that tweeted the Nets wanted to head into the draft with four draft picks. We might end up with four by regular seasons end.

The likelihood of us dealing Brook in any deal that isn't favorable to us is unlikely. Either we deal him for a mid-lotto pick or we don't at all. We'd end up trading our two firsts before that.


- 24th pick (WSH)
- 27th pick (BOS)
- 45th pick (IND)
- 56th pick (BOS)


Considering we entered the last draft with the 55th pick and cash which turned into Whitehead. I no doubt believe Sean would package both second rounders plus cash to move into the lower 30s. Let's say, both picks for Orlando's 34th pick or anything in the mid second round.

If the Nets were to trade both first rounders, it would be for John Collins or Anunoby I'd assume in the range of 15-18.

Lin/Dinwiddie
FA?/Whitehead/Kilpatrick
LeVert/McDaniels/Harris
Collins/RHJ/Booker
Lopez/Acy/Nicholson

The expendables being Booker, Kilpatrick, Ham, Nicholson heading into July 1st.


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[FlipFlopShot]

I like this trade with Portland. I'll take Leonard for 10mill/yr. I still consider Crabbe as a net zero. We will just have to absorb Turner's contract. I would love this deal if this was last offseason.

I see Leonard playing much better at the PF while RHJ comes off the bench. Crabbe would receive the opportunity to start, becoming the player Mark envisioned and solidifying the wing.

Lin/ 20th
LeVert/IW
Crabbe/Harris/KJ
Leonard/RHJ
15th/ Acy

We would be blessed if we can use the remaining picks to somehow offload Goodwin and Turner. Keeping in mind we have built up some value in Skil and Booker.

[MrDollarBills]

The keepers for me on this roster consist of:

Lin, Brook (more on this later), LeVert, RHJ (I guess? more on this to), Whitehead, KJ, Harris, Booker, Dinwiddie

Agree, but I am iffy on Dinwiddie. Harris is okay, but I don't really think of him much outside of just him being around for depth for another season. I think Acy has proven to have more value for this team than both Harris and Dinwiddie, but I can see the Nets wanting to work some more with Dinwiddie. I think Archie may be able to hang around, you can see his upside on both ends, but his jumpshot is fairly stiff.

Fans want to trade Brook and get some sort of value for him, but in my opinion, there is no market for him anymore (reasons why below) unless they want to sell extremely low, which they shouldn't.

1. The Demarcus Cousins trade **** up the market. One of the best centers in the league got (as of now) got very little value. Hield has looked good, and who knows if that top 3 protected pick becomes the Kings, but it's bad value for a guy like Boogie. It hurt the nets cause it took a suitor (NOP) off the table, and lessened the value of Brook, who the Nets apparently want 2 first rounders for.

2. There aren't teams that need a center, especially one that has a 20M salary that can't defend in P&R. If his salary was lower, around like 13-15 million, I'd say a trade would be more likely. Teams either have a young, developing center that they are investing in, or a horrible and/or overpaid center that'd be willing to move on from, but the assets they have aren't worth trading for Brook.

The realistic options to me if there was ever gonna be a Brook trade would be the Hornets, Orlando, and Bucks. Lopez has been rumored to the Hornets before. Orlando doesn't need Brook, but he sure as hell would help the spacing of that offense. Kidd wanted to trade Lopez to the Bucks, but who knows his stance on that know, especially with having to pay Jabari soon. Besides them, I don't see one. Portland doesn't need a center anymore since they have Nurkic. Pelicans got Boogie with AD. PHX has Tyson Chandler and Alex Len (who hasn't shown much), but they aren't willing to part from any of their assets for a trade. Dallas has Noel now. The list goes on.

I just don't know about Rondae. He doesn't shoot well from anywhere on the court and he doesn't have a true position on the court it seems (to his credit though, he's done better as a PF since the ASG). He still does reckless drives to the basket and attempts horrible shots. His handles doesn't seem like it has improved. Maybe he's a late bloomer like Otto Porter, but I'm down on Rondae. It's hard to justify trading a young player for another young player, but if I was the GM, I'd feel around calls about RHJ and see if people value him more then I do. If you can't get good value, keep him.

Agreed about Lopez. There is no market for him. I don't see the reason for the Nets to trade him for poor value in return (of take on albatross contracts for that matter)...nor do I see a reason to extend him to a substantial deal.

I see no reason to trade him for anything less than a pick, prospect, and cap flexibility (expirings). To take on useless salary for Lopez is a step in the wrong direction.

Regarding RHJ, as Prok said he has excelled at PF. I really don't understand how people can be down on him and expect much back in a trade for him? The data and what people keep saying about RHJ don't match up, especially when it comes to him finishing at the rim on his "wild drives".

Goners:
Acy - I'm not as high on Acy as everyone else. He's been really good at shooting, but it was going to drop off eventually. Other then that and rebounding, he doesn't do much for me personally and I feel like there's better options with upside in the draft and FA.

Disagree. Acy has been pretty good on both ends, plays within his game and would be a good rotation player going forward.

Kilpatrick - The time Kilpatrick was out made me realize that he's important to the team because the bench needs dire help to score, but if we're chasing for guards in FA or the draft, I don't see how remains on this roster going into next season. Can't keep him and try to develop whitehead.

Foye - Old, probably has earned another contract elsewhere

Hamilton - Has barely played for stretches. Need a more defensive minded center to backup Brook.

Nicholson - Hasn't shown much in his time here, but probably stays on the roster because of his contract. Wouldn't be mad if they stretched him.

Goodwin - Need to see more of him to really formulate an opinion.

Agreed about Fitzpatrick, Foye, Hamilton and Nicholson. I want to see more of Goodwin.

Players I'd attempt to get:

KCP
Otto Porter
Patty Mills (Sean Marks connection)
Nikola Mirotic
Tim Hardaway JR (section tier option if they miss out on KCP)
James Young (hasn't done **** in the league, but upside pick up. should be a last resort type of add)
Korver (For vet presence and knows Kenny)
Jeff Teague (Knows kenny, Indy in free-fall. doubt he'd come, would require making Lin the SG)
Tyler Ennis (see James Young)
Tony Snell
Shabazz Muhammad
Adreian Payne (see James Young)
Tiago Splitter (Sean Marks connection)
Ben McLemore (should be second tier option if they miss out on KCP)
Langston Galloway (if he opts out)
Joe Ingles

Some of those names (wing players outsie of Porter, Mills and Snell) make me think the Nets would be better off keeping Fitzpatrick instead of going after them. Like THJr...never liked his game, is he that much better than Fitzpatrick?

[MrDollarBills]

I like this trade with Portland. I'll take Leonard for 10mill/yr. I still consider Crabbe as a net zero. We will just have to absorb Turner's contract. I would love this deal if this was last offseason.

I see Leonard playing much better at the PF while RHJ comes off the bench. Crabbe would receive the opportunity to start, becoming the player Mark envisioned and solidifying the wing.

Lin/ 20th
LeVert/IW
Crabbe/Harris/KJ
Leonard/RHJ
15th/ Acy

We would be blessed if we can use the remaining picks to somehow offload Goodwin and Turner. Keeping in mind we have built up some value in Skil and Booker.

I'm looking at the math and there really is no reason for the Nets to take two albatross contracts back for Lopez. It's just taking salary back for the same of doing so. and do the Nets really need 4 picks in one draft?

I gladly take back crabbe. taking on that trash seems seriously counter productive, regardless of the picks especially when the picks coming back aren't lottery

[CalamityX12]

Toss up, Trade our 2 firsts for Jimmy Butler?

[DeRoma]

Levert and 2 first for butler?

[MrDollarBills]

Butler would opt out. Without thinking twice about it.

[kamaze]

Acy might be the odd man out bet they draft a big man and or pick one up in free agency.

[Paradise]

I highly doubt Acy is going anywhere. He fits the model of what this culture is supposed to be about and he shoots it better than Booker and he's a better defender.

Booker, Hamilton, Foye, Nicholson will all be the odd men out. Booker, RHJ, Kilpatrick would likely only be moved for draft compensation. Only way I see either one going is unless a team is willing to deal a higher pick if we packaged either one in a deal with a 1st.

Kilpatrick has the most likelihood of staying. He's a big part of the chemistry. Marks and Atkinson have preached the value of relationships. He's a New Yorker at that and he's had a very good season for the most part. We just need more talent to define his role a lot further.

Keep in mind, some of these guys are here to develop the culture internally and with 3 draft picks and we are only going to get younger. There has to be a balance.


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[Keith Van Horn]

I think with the motion style system with constant screens and slips/pops, 2 decent shooting PGs would work well in the starting unit. If we have Lin and George or Teague, for example, it could work.... but not with RHJ in the mix. Need more shooters to space, so Levert and Lopez work well, but we would need another decent shooter in that lineup.

However if we make a go at KCP or Porter, a more traditional SG, we keep RHJ in with the starters going forward.

[MrDollarBills]

I really don't see the point of replacing Kilpatrick with a free agent that does the same thing that he does.

If you ask me,

Lopez, Lin, LeVert, RHJ, Booker, Acy, Whitehead, McDaniels for sure. Give me two free agents (at least one starter out of the two), and a wing and a big from the picks, and we'll see where the rest fit in if at all.

[Prokorov]

I like this trade with Portland. I'll take Leonard for 10mill/yr. I still consider Crabbe as a net zero. We will just have to absorb Turner's contract. I would love this deal if this was last offseason.

I see Leonard playing much better at the PF while RHJ comes off the bench. Crabbe would receive the opportunity to start, becoming the player Mark envisioned and solidifying the wing.

Lin/ 20th
LeVert/IW
Crabbe/Harris/KJ
Leonard/RHJ
15th/ Acy

We would be blessed if we can use the remaining picks to somehow offload Goodwin and Turner. Keeping in mind we have built up some value in Skil and Booker.

I'm looking at the math and there really is no reason for the Nets to take two albatross contracts back for Lopez. It's just taking salary back for the same of doing so. and do the Nets really need 4 picks in one draft?

I gladly take back crabbe. taking on that trash seems seriously counter productive, regardless of the picks especially when the picks coming back aren't lottery

Of course we need the picks. we are void of talent and young first round talent. its just RHJ and Levert....

Also we dont need to keep those picks, we can move one for a pick in 2018. there are 4-5 teams without picks in this draft we could work with.

Unless you like our chances in free agency, then this is a good way to go...

I'd rather have evan turner and #15 then tim hardaway Jr. id rather have leonard and #20 then andrien payne.

Lin/Dinwiddie
Levert/Harris/Whitehead
Crabbe/Mcdaniels/Turner
RHJ/Acy/Booker
Leonard/Hamilton
#15, #20, #24, #26

Turner becomes next years version of foye. Thats a young talented team. and crabbe and leonard are big overpays but they are useful on the court as well.

that trade gives us alot of good young players and alot of good young assets. we could potentially get 3-4 guys better then levert.