Marcus Smart

Egregiousness · Post #681 » by **Egregiousness** » Thu Mar 30, 2017 1:20 pm

I don't think I can remember a guard in the NBA who was a worse scorer than Marcus. Remember, earlier in the season Miami instituted "hack-a-smart". First time ever used on a guard in the NBA.

Hes a valuable player for this team, but hes really has no business taking above the break threes. EVER.

Marcus himself said in a recent interview, "I don't have to score to effect the game". Great, then stop shooting, because going 4-15 does effect the game

Dannyboy36 · Post #682 » by **Dannyboy36** » Thu Mar 30, 2017 4:27 pm

Marcus deserved a kick to the face for grabbing the Greek's foot last night. Dirty play. Hate that stuff. Don't grab someone's foot. Chicken sh#t crap.

Infinite Llamas · Post #683 » by **Infinite Llamas** » Thu Mar 30, 2017 4:37 pm

15th overall wrote:
Higgs Boston wrote:
15th overall wrote:Even with hindsight--- name me a player you'd rather have from the '14 draft @ #6 than Marcus Smart... Nikola Jokic maybe? He was the 41st pick--- no hindsight involved there. I'm hoping someone says Julius Randle so I can openly laugh at you.

Finest Kind IPA by Smuttynose (straight outta NH) is awesome. And so is Marcus Smart.

Boston Fans need to start valuing our ballsiest players like Marcus MF'n Smart or I'm going to Philly in exile w/ truth18. They appreciate the fighters-- the underdogs down there and I'm starting to openly question my own people now. I don't like it and I wish things were different tbh. Boston's still significantly cooler than Philly** but rent here SUCKS so pls don't force my hand, guys.

**(No offense, truth. I know you agree, man)

"Jokic maybe"? are you serious when you use the "maybe"?
There are other players that are better than Smart.
1. jokic, lavine, gary harris, hood
These are clearly better than him.
2. capela, tj warren, saric, and nurkic.
Some of them are better or in the same level.

Some people also would put randle in the second group, but I hate that guy, is a cancer for a competitive team.

I'm serious when I suggest that taking the #41 overall pick vs the #6 is some obvious hindsight cherrypicking. Overreacting to my word choice there IMO.

Would definitely take Smart over the rest of the guys you listed. Elite specialists are unbelievably valuable in this league; especially defensive ones in an era where guards have every incentive/opportunity to just torch teams on a nightly basis.

Marcus Smart is finally starting to get some respect by the refs--- they're just starting to realize that real human beings are apparently able to do the things Marcus does out there defensively. If the refs legitimately adjust their expectations for him full time, we're basically talking about him being granted permission to be an even bigger defensive juggernaut. Ron Artest of Point Guards--- it's happening, so get excited.

There is no universe where Nurkic is better than Smart. Nurkic may have some attitude issues but he's going to be a monster on both sides of the ball. He's going to be a max player as early as next summer. No team is ever going to max out Smart as long as he's shooting 35%.

claycarver · Post #684 » by **claycarver** » Thu Mar 30, 2017 4:53 pm

Infinite Llamas wrote:
15th overall wrote:
Higgs Boston wrote:
"Jokic maybe"? are you serious when you use the "maybe"?
There are other players that are better than Smart.
1. jokic, lavine, gary harris, hood
These are clearly better than him.
2. capela, tj warren, saric, and nurkic.
Some of them are better or in the same level.

Some people also would put randle in the second group, but I hate that guy, is a cancer for a competitive team.

I'm serious when I suggest that taking the #41 overall pick vs the #6 is some obvious hindsight cherrypicking. Overreacting to my word choice there IMO.

Would definitely take Smart over the rest of the guys you listed. Elite specialists are unbelievably valuable in this league; especially defensive ones in an era where guards have every incentive/opportunity to just torch teams on a nightly basis.

Marcus Smart is finally starting to get some respect by the refs--- they're just starting to realize that real human beings are apparently able to do the things Marcus does out there defensively. If the refs legitimately adjust their expectations for him full time, we're basically talking about him being granted permission to be an even bigger defensive juggernaut. Ron Artest of Point Guards--- it's happening, so get excited.

There is no universe where Nurkic is better than Smart. Nurkic may have some attitude issues but he's going to be a monster on both sides of the ball. He's going to be a max player as early as next summer. No team is ever going to max out Smart as long as he's shooting 35%.

I think you mean there is no universe where Smart is better than Nurkic. And I think you didn't read what 15th overall said. His point is not that Smart is better than Nurkic, his point is that no one would have picked Nurkic over Smart in that draft. Mentioning him in order to trash Smart is pointless.

Its like saying that IT should have been drafted ahead of Kanter or Tristan Thompson or Derrick Williams. Easy to say now...and absurd.

edit: Look at all the players Danny could realistically have chosen from at the 6th pick. Danny made a good pick.

2Mas · Post #685 » by **2Mas** » Thu Mar 30, 2017 6:42 pm

jfs1000d wrote:Smart's issue is shot selection. If you aren't going to make above the break 3s, then stop freaking shooting him. He needs to drive and pull up, and drive and kick. He has the game to play in the NBA, and the ability, but he right now has a ton of empty trip shots. I want him to use hos strength to get into the lane.

I want him on our team, but 4-15, 1-12 and those kind of nights are killing our offense. He has to play, but he has to stop shooting those shots he can't make.

This. This. This. I see you post this about him a lot & it blows my mind that he continues to shoot as much as he does.

I like Smart a lot. I too want him around for many years. But my god his shot selection & volume is just wrong. It needs to be fixed. I'm exaggerating tad on this example, but Tony Allen is shooting 28.6% & he's taking 0.8 a game. I don't think he needs to go down to 0.8 a game, but 2.5 would be awesome.

he does so many things on the court. Yet when he's struggling to do the one things he's bad at, he starts chucking? Lol That makes no sense. He needs to really get his FGA's in check. & With that, his shot selection.

KumaJG · Post #686 » by **KumaJG** » Thu Mar 30, 2017 6:51 pm

Smart don't have the tools to be an effective offense player. Needs to focus on things he is good to maximize his potential.

Gurton Buster · Post #687 » by **Gurton Buster** » Thu Mar 30, 2017 7:02 pm

Dannyboy36 wrote:Marcus deserved a kick to the face for grabbing the Greek's foot last night. Dirty play. Hate that stuff. Don't grab someone's foot. Chicken sh#t crap.

but taking a step and walking over someone is totally fine right ? GTFO

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shawn unkempt · Post #688 » by **shawn unkempt** » Thu Mar 30, 2017 7:15 pm

Is there a Rozier thread? This guy would be lucky to be picked up in China.

Murta · Post #689 » by **Murta** » Thu Mar 30, 2017 7:31 pm

Adam Himmelsbach‏Verified account @AdamHimmelsbach 33s33 seconds ago

Adam Himmelsbach Retweeted Daniel H

Smart is shooting 18.2 percent from beyond the arc since the break, and taking 4.3 threes per game.

Didn't realize it was this bad until I saw the tweet. FFS Marcus, FFS. :noway:

London2Boston · Post #690 » by **London2Boston** » Thu Mar 30, 2017 8:16 pm

The guy needs to seriously just be put under strict "only shoot if open" instructions. It's ridiculous. His FG% is an absolute joke and almost overshadows how great he is elsewhere.

HeartBreakKid · Post #691 » by **HeartBreakKid** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 2:24 pm

Egregiousness wrote:I don't think I can remember a guard in the NBA who was a worse scorer than Marcus. Remember, earlier in the season Miami instituted "hack-a-smart". First time ever used on a guard in the NBA.

Hes a valuable player for this team, but hes really has no business taking above the break threes. EVER.

Marcus himself said in a recent interview, "I don't have to score to effect the game". Great, then stop shooting, because going 4-15 does effect the game

This obviously isn't true, teams did this to Rondo when he was a Celtic no less.

CelticsLV · Post #692 » by **CelticsLV** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 5:46 pm

His post all-star On/Off NetRtg is almost *** -30!! Like WTF!? Winning plays my ass. Without him on the floor we wouldn't even need to be in tight situations because he tanks our offense so much that his defense can't even outweight half of it.

Post #693 » by **Slartibartfast** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 5:54 pm

CelticsLV wrote:His post all-star On/Off NetRtg is almost *** -30!! Like WTF!? Winning plays my ass. Without him on the floor we wouldn't even need to be in tight situations because he tanks our offense so much that his defense can't even outweight half of it.

His confidence plays a big part in his ability to come through in the clutch, but it can make him a pretty big negative when he's slumping. Missing shots just doesn't bother him.

BRUNiNHO91 · Post #694 » by **BRUNiNHO91** » Sat Apr 1, 2017 3:49 am

This has to be the worst stretch he's had in his career. Love the guy, think he's much better than this but he seems to me like one of those guys that could really use a fresh start somewhere else. Maybe the competitive, defensive style of playoff basketball gets him going a bit. If he doesn't than it's probably time to move on from him this summer..specially if we draft Fultz.

Leprechaun18 · Post #695 » by **Leprechaun18** » Sat Apr 1, 2017 4:10 am

Smarts problem is that he wants to be a star, but his ceiling is a quality BACKUP defensive specialist.

Ben-N1ce · Post #696 » by **Ben-N1ce** » Sat Apr 1, 2017 4:20 am

If you take off the Homer glasses you see what Smart is. A defensive specialist backup ceiling. I as many fall for the random offensive weeks and think what if but it's fools gold. He lacks the explosiveness to ever be a good offensive player... And that he can't shoot a lick thing..

Banks2Pierce · Post #697 » by **Banks2Pierce** » Sat Apr 1, 2017 4:24 am

Leprechaun18 wrote:Smarts problem is that he wants to be a star, but his ceiling is a quality BACKUP defensive specialist.

Makes tons of sense that he's already surpassed his ceiling.

Ben-N1ce · Post #698 » by **Ben-N1ce** » Sat Apr 1, 2017 4:31 am

Banks2Pierce wrote:
Leprechaun18 wrote:Smarts problem is that he wants to be a star, but his ceiling is a quality BACKUP defensive specialist.

Makes tons of sense that he's already surpassed his ceiling.

His ceiling was being the worst shooting guard in the history of the NBA? Im pretty sure Ainge thought he'd improve on that end..

Shuttlesworth99 · Post #699 » by **Shuttlesworth99** » Sat Apr 1, 2017 4:41 am

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/carmelo/marcus-smart/

I love this website. Is it perfect, no.

But it does highlight some stuff about Marcus. Yes we are right to dislike his shooting and aspects of his offensive game.

But it also highlights where we all underappreciate, his defense is that good.

Criminally under appreciated compared to all the talk on the other side of the ball.

Shuttlesworth99 · Post #700 » by **Shuttlesworth99** » Sat Apr 1, 2017 4:59 am

But I just don't get why it always feels like he is the one jacking up low percentage shots when he is out there. He plays like a bulldog on D which is great, then up the other end he does his best Curry impersonation. And it's a crap impersonation.

He should be playing like a bulldog up the other end. He is a physical beast for a PG, which to me is what he is. It just always seems he ends up with average looks at the three point line. Is it him, is it coaching? I don't know. But it sucks at this stage because they always miss!

Isolate him, get him to drive. I don't care, just use the freaking bulk he has, he isn't built to be a finesse player!!! He will become a better shooter from 3, if he isn't taking every damn shot from there. He has the ability to a respected 3 point shooter, but he should be getting 10 shots around or in the paint, not at that bloody line he seems to hover over.