2017 Draft

[skywalker33]

I was checking out the "Soft" thread and noticed there were only two 2017 draft prospect (rated within DX's top 60) that weighed at least 250lbs. What happened to the big 6'10" 265lbs brutes who ruled the paint ?? Most of the C's are in the 230-240lb range while the PF's are around 225lb. Now I get it with all the underclassmen coming out early, but do these guys ever get in the weight room ??

Games changed. A 265 lb player better be an elite post scorer and defender or he'll get eaten alive by these teams that wanna space you out. Tall kids know there's a better chance of sticking around in the league if you can shoot and defend stretch 4s than if you're built like Tractor Traylor and have a sweet drop step.

While I will agree the way the game is played today has changed, the game itself hasn't. Jokic is a prome example of how different teams can play the way they want, how their players can dictate the game. How many teams have a point-center ?? DEN makes it work even though most teams want the ultra-athletic C, that doesn't really describe Jokic. While the matchups don't favor the Joker on the defensive end, he puts in effort to and offsets any deficiencies with smart play at the other end. Same could be said for a 265lb PF, but I;d rather have him taking shots from 5-8ft than a 225lb guy taking 20ft jumpers, better percentages IMO.

I certainly wouldn't mind going after a guy like Derrick Favors this off-season, for the right price of course,

Also concede that most draft guys are coming our at age 19-20, need to get them in the weight room right away as most need to gain weight and muscle to play against NBA bigs

[bwgood77]

15. Denver: SF/PF OG Anunoby
Sophomore
Age: 19
Ht./Wt.: 6-8/ 215
Indiana

With Danilo Gallinari’s contract expiring and Wilson Chandler’s name popping up in trade rumors, the Nuggets may be looking to add depth at the forward positions. Anunoby would have no problem playing off the ball alongside Denver’s playmakers and is a capable floor spacer. He also offers tremendous defensive versatility, which is attractive for a team that really struggles on that end of the floor.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/the-vertical-mock-draft-version-2-0-135637001.html

[SoCalNuggsFan]

I was checking out the "Soft" thread and noticed there were only two 2017 draft prospect (rated within DX's top 60) that weighed at least 250lbs. What happened to the big 6'10" 265lbs brutes who ruled the paint ?? Most of the C's are in the 230-240lb range while the PF's are around 225lb. Now I get it with all the underclassmen coming out early, but do these guys ever get in the weight room ??

Games changed. A 265 lb player better be an elite post scorer and defender or he'll get eaten alive by these teams that wanna space you out. Tall kids know there's a better chance of sticking around in the league if you can shoot and defend stretch 4s than if you're built like Tractor Traylor and have a sweet drop step.

While I will agree the way the game is played today has changed, the game itself hasn't. Jokic is a prome example of how different teams can play the way they want, how their players can dictate the game. How many teams have a point-center ?? DEN makes it work even though most teams want the ultra-athletic C, that doesn't really describe Jokic. While the matchups don't favor the Joker on the defensive end, he puts in effort to and offsets any deficiencies with smart play at the other end. Same could be said for a 265lb PF, but I;d rather have him taking shots from 5-8ft than a 225lb guy taking 20ft jumpers, better percentages IMO.

I certainly wouldn't mind going after a guy like Derrick Favors this off-season, for the right price of course,

Also concede that most draft guys are coming our at age 19-20, need to get them in the weight room right away as most need to gain weight and muscle to play against NBA bigs

Agreed that there can be exceptions. I think Jokic isn't one though. He's perfect for this league. Passes, scores from anywhere on the court, rebounds. But he's a center, and that's why it works on the defense end. He can't guard stretch 4s and that's why the Jurkic experiment couldn't work long term.

Look at Jahlil Okafor. The perfect throwback inside scorer big. He doesn't play any defense and needs the ball to be effective at all on offense, and he's a disaster. Now imagine someone playing that type of 8 foot and in game at the PF without being able to guard stretch 4s. It's a team ruiner on both ends. Kills any spacing on offense unless you have a Jokic type stretch 5. And any decent Ryan Anderson type 4 will get wherever he wants against him.

I think all of that is true. Even if it's not, that's what 16 year old tall kids are seeing. If you're a 15 year old at 6'7 expecting to end up at like 6'9, which path would you take? Stay in the gym taking jumpers in the hopes of carving out a stretch 4 role that any team can use? Or spend all your time in the weight room and hope that you can find a team that can carry a Reggie Evans type player because they have a team set up that won't be killed on either end.

Idk. I don't think we'll see 6'9 265 bruiser PFs entering the draft until there's another change in how the game is played.

[NuggetsWY]

<snip>Idk. I don't think we'll see 6'9 265 bruiser PFs entering the draft until there's another change in how the game is played.

Probably the biggest guy likely to make it in the mid-first round might be Bam Adebayo. He is listed at 6'10", 250 lbs. I don't see anyone heavier than him that's likely to go higher than him.

[skywalker33]

Still think OG is the guy, only way he isn't is if a PG falls IMO.

[NuggetsWY]

Still think OG is the guy, only way he isn't is if a PG falls IMO.

I went out and looked at quite a few mock drafts. I specifically looked for Anunoby. It seems everyone rates him around 15-20 - well, almost everyone. I even saw one mock draft that didn't have him in the first round. Do you think his injury has hurt his position?

Beasley was drafted with an injury and even after being declared ready to play, he seldom did. With the Nuggets drafting somewhere around #15, it seems unlikely Malone would play that player any more than he did Hernangomez, but hopefully he'll play more than Beasley. Of course if Malone adds Hernangomez & Beasley into his current rotation, there will be ZERO room for this year's rookie.

[MidMountain]

Beasley was drafted with an injury and even after being declared ready to play, he seldom did. With the Nuggets drafting somewhere around #15, it seems unlikely Malone would play that player any more than he did Hernangomez, but hopefully he'll play more than Beasley. Of course if Malone adds Hernangomez & Beasley into his current rotation, there will be ZERO room for this year's rookie.

It is doubtful that this year's draftee gets much playing time next season. I hope we finally set up our own D-league team or package our pick for a roster upgrade.

[Mac1958]

Beasley was drafted with an injury and even after being declared ready to play, he seldom did. With the Nuggets drafting somewhere around #15, it seems unlikely Malone would play that player any more than he did Hernangomez, but hopefully he'll play more than Beasley. Of course if Malone adds Hernangomez & Beasley into his current rotation, there will be ZERO room for this year's rookie.

It is doubtful that this year's draftee gets much playing time next season. I hope we finally set up our own D-league team or package our pick for a roster upgrade.

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Yeah, this is a team that's ready to take the next step, and that won't happen with a mid-first round draft pick.

It's time to leverage assets and use cap space to bring in an alpha dog or two.

[skywalker33]

Still think OG is the guy, only way he isn't is if a PG falls IMO.

I went out and looked at quite a few mock drafts. I specifically looked for Anunoby. It seems everyone rates him around 15-20 - well, almost everyone. I even saw one mock draft that didn't have him in the first round. Do you think his injury has hurt his position?

Beasley was drafted with an injury and even after being declared ready to play, he seldom did. With the Nuggets drafting somewhere around #15, it seems unlikely Malone would play that player any more than he did Hernangomez, but hopefully he'll play more than Beasley. Of course if Malone adds Hernangomez & Beasley into his current rotation, there will be ZERO room for this year's rookie.

With all the talent in this draft already, I saw OG going no higher than 10, so I don't see his injury really impacting his draft status too much.

As for PT, it would obviously relate to factors like how he's healing, if we resign Gallo, does Chandler get traded. For the most part I agree he'll see minutes much like Juancho has this season.

[Powder Blue]

Just moved up to the 13th pick


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[SoCalNuggsFan]

Think our pick + Barton can get us into issac range?

[NuggetsWY]

Think our pick + Barton can get us into issac range?

Seriously doubt it - I like Barton (but not on the Nuggets, he'll fit nice on teams with a different style; but nobody with a pick that high is going to want Barton, at least not at that price IMO.

[skywalker33]

Hey, if we just play our rookies, we'll give them experience while probably increasing our draft position a bit. We;re at 13th now, if we could get to 10-11 range there could be a whole different level of talent available to us. At the same time, Juancho, Beasley and Murray get some good experience, all while allowing the vets to "rest"

[NuggetsWY]

Hey, if we just play our rookies, we'll give them experience while probably increasing our draft position a bit. We;re at 13th now, if we could get to 10-11 range there could be a whole different level of talent available to us. At the same time, Juancho, Beasley and Murray get some good experience, all while allowing the vets to "rest"

Malone? Play our rookies? No way. In his mind the Nuggets still have a chance. He won't give up until the Nuggets are mathematically eliminated and even then, he'll still want to win every game, so, no, he won't be playing rookies more than 20 mpg unless the vets stage a sick-out.

[MidMountain]

The Pelicans owe their pick to Sacramento this year, so they have no incentive to lose games. With two more game against them (and the way they have owned us), I wouldn't be surprised if they passed us in the standings (currently 3.5 back).

[skywalker33]

The Pelicans owe their pick to Sacramento this year, so they have no incentive to lose games. With two more game against them (and the way they have owned us), I wouldn't be surprised if they passed us in the standings (currently 3.5 back).

Conceivably with our schedule we get to the 10th or 11th, our next game is at CHA who is only 1.5 back. DET is also only 1.5 back but seems to be free-falling.

[SoCalNuggsFan]

I'm liking Isiah Hartstien if our pick stays at like 13-15. Dream draft scenario is fall to #11, trade that and Barton for #8 and grab issac.

[skywalker33]

Can't say I've seen/know enough to take a rick on Hartenstein, seems our scouting staff should though. Love your Dream Scenario Isaac could easily replace Gallo IMO

[SoCalNuggsFan]

Can't say I've seen/know enough to take a rick on Hartenstein, seems our scouting staff should though. Love your Dream Scenario Isaac could easily replace Gallo IMO

Hartstien can shoot it, pass it, finish at the rim. Athletic for a euro big. Decent shot blocker, looks competent guarding on the perimeter. Kinda had that Nurkic edge to him. Looks like a good fit next to Jokic, but like you said, I'll defer to our scouting group on whether or not he'll be good in the league.

[NuggetsWY]

Can't say I've seen/know enough to take a rick on Hartenstein, seems our scouting staff should though. Love your Dream Scenario Isaac could easily replace Gallo IMO

Hartstien can shoot it, pass it, finish at the rim. Athletic for a euro big. Decent shot blocker, looks competent guarding on the perimeter. Kinda had that Nurkic edge to him. Looks like a good fit next to Jokic, but like you said, I'll defer to our scouting group on whether or not he'll be good in the league.

Sounds a little like Cornelie. If we unstash him and keep Plumlee, there's redundancy and with Malone's lack of rookie playing time, it seems a waste of a pick. He'll get buried too deep.