College basketball and 2017 draft - One more poll after last game

Damkac · Post #1761 » by **Damkac** » Thu Mar 30, 2017 8:26 pm

It's easier to find good PG than good SF so using SF as PG is not a good idea imo.

MrMiyagi · Post #1762 » by **MrMiyagi** » Thu Mar 30, 2017 8:36 pm

Damkac wrote:It's easier to find good PG than good SF so using SF as PG is not a good idea imo.

I don't think it would be a matter of exclusively playing Jackson as a point guard, but as being able to run the offense allowing for a big lineup that (hopefully) doesn't sacrifice athleticism.

Walt_Uoob · Post #1763 » by **Walt_Uoob** » Thu Mar 30, 2017 9:27 pm

Would be pretty cool to be able to go with a standard lineup next year of Bled/Book/JJ/Chriss/Len, with the options to go really quick and small with Ulis/Bled/Book/JJ/Chriss or Ulis/Book/TJ/JJ/Chriss, and go really long with JJ/Book/Bender/Chriss/Len.

I don't know if that counts as positionless basketball but it goes a long way toward Watson's stated vision of having a lineup where every single player can handle the ball in the P&R.

Mulhollanddrive · Post #1764 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 12:57 am

We do love the hybrid position athlete, Jackson could conceivably play and defend every position (depending on lineups).

I know people love Lonzo Ball's winners mentality, but I see him as someone who enjoys playing his role and deferring success to others (possibly conditioned to avoid failure) rather than the Booker mentality of chasing greatness.

MrMiyagi · Post #1765 » by **MrMiyagi** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 2:24 am

Mulhollanddrive wrote:We do love the hybrid position athlete, Jackson could conceivably play and defend every position (depending on lineups).

I know people love Lonzo Ball's winners mentality, but I see him as someone who enjoys playing his role and deferring success to others (possibly conditioned to avoid failure) rather than the Booker mentality of chasing greatness.

What the hell does this even mean, and where the hell did it come from?

Zelaznyrules · Post #1766 » by **Zelaznyrules** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 4:25 am

MrMiyagi wrote:
Mulhollanddrive wrote:We do love the hybrid position athlete, Jackson could conceivably play and defend every position (depending on lineups).

I know people love Lonzo Ball's winners mentality, but I see him as someone who enjoys playing his role and deferring success to others (possibly conditioned to avoid failure) rather than the Booker mentality of chasing greatness.

What the hell does this even mean, and where the hell did it come from?

I've never seen this before. People keep inventing reasons why Ball won't succeed at the next level and almost none of it has any basis in what they've actually seen. This isn't analysis this is fantasy and I'm not specifically talking about this "fear of failure" comment.

Mulhollanddrive · Post #1767 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 4:47 am

He was on ESPN LA for about half an hour, just my impression.

Everything that I posted has been said at one time or another, maybe just in different ways.

sleepyvato · Post #1768 » by **sleepyvato** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 4:51 am

Watch on YouTube

MrMiyagi · Post #1769 » by **MrMiyagi** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 5:00 am

Zelaznyrules wrote:
MrMiyagi wrote:
Mulhollanddrive wrote:We do love the hybrid position athlete, Jackson could conceivably play and defend every position (depending on lineups).

I know people love Lonzo Ball's winners mentality, but I see him as someone who enjoys playing his role and deferring success to others (possibly conditioned to avoid failure) rather than the Booker mentality of chasing greatness.

What the hell does this even mean, and where the hell did it come from?

I've never seen this before. People keep inventing reasons why Ball won't succeed at the next level and almost none of it has any basis in what they've actually seen. This isn't analysis this is fantasy and I'm not specifically talking about this "fear of failure" comment.

Failure tends to come from not understanding what a guy's game is. I saw it with Aaron Gordon. People talked about his ball-handling, passing and 3 point shooting which, if anyone had watched, were all forced and suspect. He would dump a pass to Rondae instead of dunking an open look at the rim in hopes of an assist.

There are issues with Ball's game, but I don't see anything about his attitude that concerns me.

Even if attitude were an issue, I think we aren't considering Devin's impact on his teammates. He's a warrior on the court and he seems to be well liked by his teammates. That's a great combination for a young stud and it's infectious. And as much as Watson isn't a tactician, he is a pretty effective motivator.

MrMiyagi · Post #1770 » by **MrMiyagi** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 5:04 am

Mulhollanddrive wrote:He was on ESPN LA for about half an hour, just my impression.

Everything that I posted has been said at one time or another, maybe just in different ways.

Watch on YouTube

This doesn't seem like a kid afraid to fail or not wanting greatness.

Post #1771 » by **bwgood77** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 5:16 am

MrMiyagi wrote:
Mulhollanddrive wrote:He was on ESPN LA for about half an hour, just my impression.

Everything that I posted has been said at one time or another, maybe just in different ways.

Watch on YouTube

This doesn't seem like a kid afraid to fail or not wanting greatness.

I think every player should want to be the best player ever, but also at some point know the best way to fit in. I love his attitude...the biggest problem with him has never been his attitude, demeanor, will, work ethic, whatever, it's complaints about style for the nba.

And I don't have an answer of whether or not he will thrive or not. No one knows for sure and some will be right and some wrong. This is the one year I will probably be ok with whoever we take. However, if we do end up #1, I might be disappointed in the selection. If we end up 3rd or 4th or 5th I don't think I will be disappointed unless it's Monk.

MrMiyagi · Post #1772 » by **MrMiyagi** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 5:19 am

bwgood77 wrote:I think every player should want to be the best player ever, but also at some point know the best way to fit in. I love his attitude...the biggest problem with him has never been his attitude, demeanor, will, work ethic, whatever, it's complaints about style for the nba.

And I don't have an answer of whether or not he will thrive or not. No one knows for sure and some will be right and some wrong. This is the one year I will probably be ok with whoever we take. However, if we do end up #1, I might be disappointed in the selection. If we end up 3rd or 4th or 5th I don't think I will be disappointed unless it's Monk.

Having qualms about his play is totally fine, but I don't understand Mulholland's take on him not wanting greatness or being afraid of failure.

Mulhollanddrive · Post #1773 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 5:23 am

We'll see in time, if you get told by your dad to be better than Michael Jordan all your life and you basically refuse to shoot comparable shots, prefer passing to others to do it, there's psychology at play as to why.

Mentality leads to style, if you don't want to be the guy willing to be the reason (for good / bad / otherwise), you'll play a certain way that minimises personal risk, which is alot like how Ball plays.

To me if you put Booker in a finals game 7, he will want to be ultimately responsible for what decided it and live with the consequences the rest of his life, I don't get that impression from Ball in his interviews or his tournament play.

MrMiyagi · Post #1774 » by **MrMiyagi** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 5:39 am

Mulhollanddrive wrote:We'll see in time, if you get told by your dad to be better than Michael Jordan all your life and you basically refuse to shoot comparable shots, prefer passing to others to do it, there's psychology at play as to why.

Mentality leads to style, if you don't want to be the guy willing to be the reason (for good / bad / otherwise), you'll play a certain way that minimises personal risk, which is alot like how Ball plays.

To me if you put Booker in a finals game 7, he will want to be ultimately responsible for what decided it and live with the consequences the rest of his life, I don't get that impression from Ball in his interviews or his tournament play.

"Better than Jordan" doesn't mean do what Jordan did, but better. Better than Jordan can mean having 7 championships, having the most recognizable name in the sport, having the biggest basketball brand (His dad's dream).

Are you going to say that John Stockton, Steve Nash, and Jason Kidd were all afraid of failure because they passed the ball?

:crazy:

Mulhollanddrive · Post #1775 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 5:40 am

I never heard those guys or their dads for 2-3 hours in interviews.

If you think it's a fantasy / conspiracy theory, I can just about gaurantee that sports psychologists will be discussing the same things at LA, Phoenix, Boston etc...

MrMiyagi · Post #1776 » by **MrMiyagi** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 5:52 am

Mulhollanddrive wrote:I never heard those guys or their dads for 2-3 hours in interviews.

If you think it's a fantasy / conspiracy theory, I can just about gaurantee that sports psychologists will be discussing the same things at LA, Phoenix, Boston etc...

Mulhollanddrive · Post #1777 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 6:02 am

Great conversation with you as always, for a self appointed positive person you seem to be very closed minded and rude.

MrMiyagi · Post #1778 » by **MrMiyagi** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 6:37 am

Mulhollanddrive wrote:Great conversation with you as always, for a self appointed positive person you seem to be very closed minded and rude.

Would you say Steve Nash passed because he's canadian and wanted to please everyone? I don't think so.

Where is your analysis of Markell Fultz - a born in Maryland - going across the country to play for Washington? Does he have personal issues for wanting to leave his hometown?

Where is your analysis of Jonathan Isaac staying in Florida? Is he a mama's boy who can't leave the nest?

Devin Booker went to a loaded Kentucky team where he wouldn't have to start, does that mean he's afraid of carrying a team by himself?

Open my mind, man. Give me your knowledge.

Post #1779 » by **bwgood77** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 6:51 am

MrMiyagi wrote:
Mulhollanddrive wrote:Great conversation with you as always, for a self appointed positive person you seem to be very closed minded and rude.

Would you say Steve Nash passed because he's canadian and wanted to please everyone? I don't think so.

Where is your analysis of Markell Fultz - a born in Maryland - going across the country to play for Washington? Does he have personal issues for wanting to leave his hometown?

Where is your analysis of Jonathan Isaac staying in Florida? Is he a mama's boy who can't leave the nest?

Devin Booker went to a loaded Kentucky team where he wouldn't have to start, does that mean he's afraid of carrying a team by himself?

Open my mind, man. Give me your knowledge.

C'mon Miyagi, he is posting his opinions...you don't need to badger him for it. Yes, I know badger hits a soft spot.

Lets all be cool with one another and be respectful, please?

MrMiyagi · Post #1780 » by **MrMiyagi** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 7:38 am

bwgood77 wrote:
MrMiyagi wrote:
Mulhollanddrive wrote:Great conversation with you as always, for a self appointed positive person you seem to be very closed minded and rude.

Would you say Steve Nash passed because he's canadian and wanted to please everyone? I don't think so.

Where is your analysis of Markell Fultz - a born in Maryland - going across the country to play for Washington? Does he have personal issues for wanting to leave his hometown?

Where is your analysis of Jonathan Isaac staying in Florida? Is he a mama's boy who can't leave the nest?

Devin Booker went to a loaded Kentucky team where he wouldn't have to start, does that mean he's afraid of carrying a team by himself?

Open my mind, man. Give me your knowledge.

C'mon Miyagi, he is posting his opinions...you don't need to badger him for it. Yes, I know badger hits a soft spot.

Lets all be cool with one another and be respectful, please?

If we have the 1st or 2nd pick, and take Ball, how will you feel