Tankapolooza: Draft Lottery Odds/Watch thread

[VFX]

Ball has a lot of talent, but there are question marks about how his shot and style of play will translate to the modern NBA. If those are your concerns then that it understandable.

But if you are passing on a believed to be better talent because their dad talks a lot ... wow.

The reason it matters is because you don't want to place the hopes and future of your franchise on a guy that is going to do everything in their power to place you in a position to trade them where they want to go.

From what I see of Lonzo, he seems like a quiet kid that I notice really looks up to his dad like a best friend. You can see this by how he reacts to the stupid things his dad says in interviews. Lonzo is probably a good dude, but if his father determines that your team isn't doing what he wants to do, all it will take is a bit of influence and you have a train wreck on your hands.

Remember Dwight? There wasn't much reason for him to destroy our franchise when he did. He had people in his circle that convinced him he could be the face of the NBA but for Orlando. That's what happens.

And yet if you did the '04 NBA Draft over again, I would draft Dwight every single time and you would too. If you think his talent level is that high, you draft him.

You are 100% correct. BUT if we had Dwights dad telling everyone he "only" wants to play for LA and his two younger brothers are destined to play for UCLA and he is from the area, are you willing to put it past him that he won't jump ship like Paul George claims he might?

[Viper1500]

No melo or rose tonight for New York lol.


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[MagicFan101]

The reason it matters is because you don't want to place the hopes and future of your franchise on a guy that is going to do everything in their power to place you in a position to trade them where they want to go.

From what I see of Lonzo, he seems like a quiet kid that I notice really looks up to his dad like a best friend. You can see this by how he reacts to the stupid things his dad says in interviews. Lonzo is probably a good dude, but if his father determines that your team isn't doing what he wants to do, all it will take is a bit of influence and you have a train wreck on your hands.

Remember Dwight? There wasn't much reason for him to destroy our franchise when he did. He had people in his circle that convinced him he could be the face of the NBA but for Orlando. That's what happens.

And yet if you did the '04 NBA Draft over again, I would draft Dwight every single time and you would too. If you think his talent level is that high, you draft him.

You are 100% correct. BUT if we had Dwights dad telling everyone he "only" wants to play for LA and his two younger brothers are destined to play for UCLA and he is from the area, are you willing to put it past him that he won't jump ship like Paul George claims he might?

Paul George has given Indiana 7 years and some great memories. They had a nice couple of years but just couldn't get over the top. What else does he owe that city?

I'm not super high on Ball. I don't think he will take over the league at a level worth all of this debate, but the hypothetical "future superstar with baggage" is worth talking about.

Are we really so scared of losing a guy in 7 years that we pass and draft a guy we believe is worse? You could draft a hometown kid who loves the Magic but lose him on the first night of his career to an injury. How can you be so scared of free agency 7 years away?

[KillMonger]

tatum is my guy, total iso killer we need one

[VFX]

And yet if you did the '04 NBA Draft over again, I would draft Dwight every single time and you would too. If you think his talent level is that high, you draft him.

You are 100% correct. BUT if we had Dwights dad telling everyone he "only" wants to play for LA and his two younger brothers are destined to play for UCLA and he is from the area, are you willing to put it past him that he won't jump ship like Paul George claims he might?

Paul George has given Indiana 7 years and some great memories. They had a nice couple of years but just couldn't get over the top. What else does he owe that city?

I'm not super high on Ball. I don't think he will take over the league at a level worth all of this debate, but the hypothetical "future superstar with baggage" is worth talking about.

Are we really so scared of losing a guy in 7 years that we pass and draft a guy we believe is worse? You could draft a hometown kid who loves the Magic but lose him on the first night of his career to an injury. How can you be so scared of free agency 7 years away?

When you lack any semblance of an all star caliber player and lost most of our "once in a generation" drafted talent to LA. That's when you start reading between the lines a little more closely. Why invest in a player 5-7 years in if they are going to leave in their prime the first chance they get? Also, no one knows if Ball is going to be 'better' in the NBA than Tatum/ Isaac/ etc.

[OrlandoDream]

Knicks in a close one. Would be big if they drop this one

[MagicFan101]

You are 100% correct. BUT if we had Dwights dad telling everyone he "only" wants to play for LA and his two younger brothers are destined to play for UCLA and he is from the area, are you willing to put it past him that he won't jump ship like Paul George claims he might?

Paul George has given Indiana 7 years and some great memories. They had a nice couple of years but just couldn't get over the top. What else does he owe that city?

I'm not super high on Ball. I don't think he will take over the league at a level worth all of this debate, but the hypothetical "future superstar with baggage" is worth talking about.

Are we really so scared of losing a guy in 7 years that we pass and draft a guy we believe is worse? You could draft a hometown kid who loves the Magic but lose him on the first night of his career to an injury. How can you be so scared of free agency 7 years away?

When you lack any semblance of an all star caliber player and lost most of our "once in a generation" drafted talent to LA. That's when you start reading between the lines a little more closely. Why invest in a player 5-7 years in if they are going to leave in their prime the first chance they get? Also, no one knows if Ball is going to be 'better' in the NBA than Tatum/ Isaac/ etc.

With that attitude, why invest in players at all? Just sell the team to Seattle investors...

[VFX]

Paul George has given Indiana 7 years and some great memories. They had a nice couple of years but just couldn't get over the top. What else does he owe that city?

I'm not super high on Ball. I don't think he will take over the league at a level worth all of this debate, but the hypothetical "future superstar with baggage" is worth talking about.

Are we really so scared of losing a guy in 7 years that we pass and draft a guy we believe is worse? You could draft a hometown kid who loves the Magic but lose him on the first night of his career to an injury. How can you be so scared of free agency 7 years away?

When you lack any semblance of an all star caliber player and lost most of our "once in a generation" drafted talent to LA. That's when you start reading between the lines a little more closely. Why invest in a player 5-7 years in if they are going to leave in their prime the first chance they get? Also, no one knows if Ball is going to be 'better' in the NBA than Tatum/ Isaac/ etc.

With that attitude, why invest in players at all? Just sell the team to Seattle investors...

Ah yes. Seeing a red flag in a players intentions years before an incident is the same as selling the franchise. So wise.

[MagicFan101]

When you lack any semblance of an all star caliber player and lost most of our "once in a generation" drafted talent to LA. That's when you start reading between the lines a little more closely. Why invest in a player 5-7 years in if they are going to leave in their prime the first chance they get? Also, no one knows if Ball is going to be 'better' in the NBA than Tatum/ Isaac/ etc.

With that attitude, why invest in players at all? Just sell the team to Seattle investors...

Ah yes. Seeing a red flag in a players intentions years before an incident is the same as selling the franchise. So wise.

There is nothing the player can do to force their way out of Orlando until they reach unrestricted free agency. The easiest way to facilitate their way out of town earlier is to play great for us for 5-6 years and hold the leverage in the final year as Dwight did.

It would be nice if every player spent their entire career in one spot but that isn't the reality. Getting 5-6 great years out of a draft pick is fantastic value. If fans can't see that then yes, they should sell the team off to a city with better fans.

[j-ragg]

KNICKS!!!! Great win! Woohoo

[PrimeThyme]

Knicks win!!!!!!!! We needed that badly since we play the Nets tomorrow.

[shadrock]

Pretty much always seems that the less involved Vuc is, the better our team plays. Why cant we just move on from him please? Or have him as our 6th man? Biz is just a better fit with what our team is trying to do.

[OrlandoDream]

Enjoy this tank cushion because it all goes down from here. Our schedule is about to get considerably easier. It's undeniable that even though they are losing, team is playing much better. If the same team that played today shows up our last 6 games, I see us winning 4/6 easily.

We got Nets twice, Pacers, Bulls, and the awful Pistons.

[The Effect]

The reason it matters is because you don't want to place the hopes and future of your franchise on a guy that is going to do everything in their power to place you in a position to trade them where they want to go.

From what I see of Lonzo, he seems like a quiet kid that I notice really looks up to his dad like a best friend. You can see this by how he reacts to the stupid things his dad says in interviews. Lonzo is probably a good dude, but if his father determines that your team isn't doing what he wants to do, all it will take is a bit of influence and you have a train wreck on your hands.

Remember Dwight? There wasn't much reason for him to destroy our franchise when he did. He had people in his circle that convinced him he could be the face of the NBA but for Orlando. That's what happens.

And yet if you did the '04 NBA Draft over again, I would draft Dwight every single time and you would too. If you think his talent level is that high, you draft him.

You are 100% correct. BUT if we had Dwights dad telling everyone he "only" wants to play for LA and his two younger brothers are destined to play for UCLA and he is from the area, are you willing to put it past him that he won't jump ship like Paul George claims he might?

If we had a shot at him, id still take ball
Even if his desire is to play in LA, you take him, his potential is way to high to pass on the POSSIBILITY that he will leave. I mean really how many guys pass on that first big extension? Cant really remember too many guys, if any, that have passed on that. So worst case, you get him for 5-6 years and hope to build a winner around him, and if he still wants to leave, get as much as you can for him.

[The Effect]

Enjoy this tank cushion because it all goes down from here. Our schedule is about to get considerably easier. It's undeniable that even though they are losing, team is playing much better. If the same team that played today shows up our last 6 games, I see us winning 4/6 easily.

We got Nets twice, Pacers, Bulls, and the awful Pistons.

[OrlandoDream]

Enjoy this tank cushion because it all goes down from here. Our schedule is about to get considerably easier. It's undeniable that even though they are losing, team is playing much better. If the same team that played today shows up our last 6 games, I see us winning 4/6 easily.

We got Nets twice, Pacers, Bulls, and the awful Pistons.

Cavs are the only Auto L I see bc they always own us. The rest of the games we have left are very winnable.... Unfortunately

[PrimeThyme]

Enjoy this tank cushion because it all goes down from here. Our schedule is about to get considerably easier. It's undeniable that even though they are losing, team is playing much better. If the same team that played today shows up our last 6 games, I see us winning 4/6 easily.

We got Nets twice, Pacers, Bulls, and the awful Pistons.

Cavs are the only Auto L I see bc they always own us. The rest of the games we have left are very winnable.... Unfortunately

Yeah it's entirely possible but I'm still not worried. Chicago plays much better at home and both Indiana and Chicago are going to be fighting for their lives to get into the playoffs, they have everything to play for. Tomorrow night is a toss up for me especially with how the nets have played and on a back to back. The Detroit game is a 50/50 game for me as well. None of those wins will come easy even with how we've been playing.

[ralphie9898]

And yet if you did the '04 NBA Draft over again, I would draft Dwight every single time and you would too. If you think his talent level is that high, you draft him.

yep

That's where we don't see eye to eye. I don't think his talent level is that much higher than the next guy or two down the board. A lot of people disagree, Im just not on the wagon yet.

yeah but I think most people are. I think Ball and Fultz are just a step ahead of the rest of the field. This is still a good draft so yeah there isn't a huge gap but I think Ball and Fultz go 1 and 2 unless Boston Boston ends up at 2 and doesn't have a chance at Fultz they may decide to go with Jackson at 2. Jackson is pretty close though but for us I am not a fan of taking Jackson as I don't think he helps us that much.

[drsd]

No melo or rose tonight for New York lol.

The Knicks tank broke down.

Without Anthony and Rose, Knicks top Heat

[IllMagic04]

Enjoy this tank cushion because it all goes down from here. Our schedule is about to get considerably easier. It's undeniable that even though they are losing, team is playing much better. If the same team that played today shows up our last 6 games, I see us winning 4/6 easily.

We got Nets twice, Pacers, Bulls, and the awful Pistons.

Your right honestly

Nets - W
Cavs- L
Nets - W
Pacers - Toss up but I'll say L
Bulls - Toss up but Ill say W
Pistons - W

We are gonna need some help to not fall. Sixers will catch us but we gonna need some help from the Knicks to not fall all the way to 6th. Kings got the Lakers and the suns on their schedule so I THINK we can hold them off. Failing to 7 would be a disaster.