Draftees 2016 – Brown, Yabusele, Žižić, Jackson, Nader

[Homerclease]

Damn, he hasn't played in a month and is coming off of an injury and it is his first game. Let him get acclimated.

It's not just this game, he played no D in the summer league and no D in China either. This isn't an isolated scenario and one of the reasons I wasn't high on him going to the Chinese league to begin with. Defensive concepts are alien to this kid and as you've seen with Brad and Jaylen this year, if you aren't involved on defense you are going to be parked on the bench. I don't want to waste a year of cost control on this kid when IMO he isn't ready for the big time yet. What's the rush either way?

The "Rush" would be the limited time that a person can play, at the NBA level.

We also have a ton of players -- currently in the NBA -- that don't play Defense well. So, what's the Biggie?
We got him. He's here. Let's play him.

He's 20 parl. The back 9 of his career is a lonnnnng ways away. I just don't see how this kid can even stay on the court with Brad at the helm. We've seen his quick hook for Jaylen, why would Yabs be any different?

[Parliament10]

It's not just this game, he played no D in the summer league and no D in China either. This isn't an isolated scenario and one of the reasons I wasn't high on him going to the Chinese league to begin with. Defensive concepts are alien to this kid and as you've seen with Brad and Jaylen this year, if you aren't involved on defense you are going to be parked on the bench. I don't want to waste a year of cost control on this kid when IMO he isn't ready for the big time yet. What's the rush either way?

The "Rush" would be the limited time that a person can play, at the NBA level.

We also have a ton of players -- currently in the NBA -- that don't play Defense well. So, what's the Biggie?
We got him. He's here. Let's play him.

He's 20 parl. The back 9 of his career is a lonnnnng ways away. I just don't see how this kid can even stay on the court with Brad at the helm. We've seen his quick hook for Jaylen, why would Yabs be any different?

Jaylen Brown, has more Upside. He'll be a Starter.
Yabusele's ceiling is more at the Rotation Level.

I wouldn't throw them in the same Pot, so to speak.

[Homerclease]

The "Rush" would be the limited time that a person can play, at the NBA level.

We also have a ton of players -- currently in the NBA -- that don't play Defense well. So, what's the Biggie?
We got him. He's here. Let's play him.

He's 20 parl. The back 9 of his career is a lonnnnng ways away. I just don't see how this kid can even stay on the court with Brad at the helm. We've seen his quick hook for Jaylen, why would Yabs be any different?

Jaylen Brown, has more Upside. He'll be a Starter.
Yabusele's ceiling is more at the Rotation Level.

I wouldn't throw them in the same Pot, so to speak.

I throw them in the same pot of rookies that need to earn their minutes. It's the same reason Rozier was basically red shirted his rookie year. If we can stash Yabs in Europe another season to let him grow and at the same time extend our cost control of him for yet another year then I don't see the downside. I don't see how this kid gets minutes on the big club next year even over the guys we have now. Zizic I can see moving someone out of the rotation due to his sheer size but it's a different story with Mr. Yabusele

[canman1971]

The guy had 4 fouls in like 15 minutes of play, in the NBA teams will just go right at him until he's out of the game which should take all of 2 minutes as of right now. He's just not ready IMO. Go play in the euro league against some real competition like Zizic did. We can wait another year on this kid

Damn, he hasn't played in a month and is coming off of an injury and it is his first game. Let him get acclimated.

It's not just this game, he played no D in the summer league and no D in China either. This isn't an isolated scenario and one of the reasons I wasn't high on him going to the Chinese league to begin with. Defensive concepts are alien to this kid and as you've seen with Brad and Jaylen this year, if you aren't involved on defense you are going to be parked on the bench. I don't want to waste a year of cost control on this kid when IMO he isn't ready for the big time yet. What's the rush either way?

Oh there is no rush and if he isn't ready by camp, they have the D League. But, as was mentioned, he needs to learn NBA defense and there is no better place to do that than in the NBA if ready in other areas. Last time I checked, all the leagues you mentioned (CBA, Summer, and DLeague) nobody plays defense. So, it is really tough to judge.

[Parliament10]

He's 20 parl. The back 9 of his career is a lonnnnng ways away. I just don't see how this kid can even stay on the court with Brad at the helm. We've seen his quick hook for Jaylen, why would Yabs be any different?

Jaylen Brown, has more Upside. He'll be a Starter.
Yabusele's ceiling is more at the Rotation Level.

I wouldn't throw them in the same Pot, so to speak.

I throw them in the same pot of rookies that need to earn their minutes. It's the same reason Rozier was basically red shirted his rookie year. If we can stash Yabs in Europe another season to let him grow and at the same time extend our cost control of him for yet another year then I don't see the downside. I don't see how this kid gets minutes on the big club next year even over the guys we have now. Zizic I can see moving someone out of the rotation due to his sheer size but it's a different story with Mr. Yabusele

YES. = They are all Rookies.
NO. == They are Not the same.


2017-18 Proposed Roster:
Thomas / BRK-17 / Jackson?
Bradley / Smart / Rozier / Two-Way Contract
Crowder / Brown / Nader
Horford / Jerebko / Yabusele
Žižić? / Olynyk / Mickey? / Two-Way Contract

[Homerclease]

Damn, he hasn't played in a month and is coming off of an injury and it is his first game. Let him get acclimated.

It's not just this game, he played no D in the summer league and no D in China either. This isn't an isolated scenario and one of the reasons I wasn't high on him going to the Chinese league to begin with. Defensive concepts are alien to this kid and as you've seen with Brad and Jaylen this year, if you aren't involved on defense you are going to be parked on the bench. I don't want to waste a year of cost control on this kid when IMO he isn't ready for the big time yet. What's the rush either way?

Oh there is no rush and if he isn't ready by camp, they have the D League. But, as was mentioned, he needs to learn NBA defense and there is no better place to do that than in the NBA if ready in other areas. Last time I checked, all the leagues you mentioned (CBA, Summer, and DLeague) nobody plays defense. So, it is really tough to judge.

Right, which is why I want to stash him again in a real league where defense does matter. IMO all we're doing is wasting a year of control over him at this juncture

[canman1971]

It's not just this game, he played no D in the summer league and no D in China either. This isn't an isolated scenario and one of the reasons I wasn't high on him going to the Chinese league to begin with. Defensive concepts are alien to this kid and as you've seen with Brad and Jaylen this year, if you aren't involved on defense you are going to be parked on the bench. I don't want to waste a year of cost control on this kid when IMO he isn't ready for the big time yet. What's the rush either way?

Oh there is no rush and if he isn't ready by camp, they have the D League. But, as was mentioned, he needs to learn NBA defense and there is no better place to do that than in the NBA if ready in other areas. Last time I checked, all the leagues you mentioned (CBA, Summer, and DLeague) nobody plays defense. So, it is really tough to judge.

Right, which is why I want to stash him again in a real league where defense does matter. IMO all we're doing is wasting a year of control over him at this juncture

I am pretty sure Ainge and Stevens will have a good enough read on him to make the best decision for not only the Celtics, but also Yabusele as well. Even if he doesn't play a lot early on, he would still be practicing against NBA players. And, last time I check our bigs range from OK to sucks. So, a cost effective big who can "play" might be a solid option. I don't think Ainge is really worried about Yab's free agency status down the road.

[Parliament10]

It's not just this game, he played no D in the summer league and no D in China either. This isn't an isolated scenario and one of the reasons I wasn't high on him going to the Chinese league to begin with. Defensive concepts are alien to this kid and as you've seen with Brad and Jaylen this year, if you aren't involved on defense you are going to be parked on the bench. I don't want to waste a year of cost control on this kid when IMO he isn't ready for the big time yet. What's the rush either way?

Oh there is no rush and if he isn't ready by camp, they have the D League. But, as was mentioned, he needs to learn NBA defense and there is no better place to do that than in the NBA if ready in other areas. Last time I checked, all the leagues you mentioned (CBA, Summer, and DLeague) nobody plays defense. So, it is really tough to judge.

Right, which is why I want to stash him again in a real league where defense does matter. IMO all we're doing is wasting a year of control over him at this juncture

We're going to have 17 Players on the Team. (15 x NBA, and 2 x Two-Ways.)
They're coming.

We had 8 Picks last year.:
Yabusele, (at #16) is not our 2nd Best Rookie.
And Nader (at #58) is not our Least Best.

We'll see what happens.
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You can teach your Rookie
To play the Game
As many Times as you like
But you never Really Succeed . . .

Until you let them Do It
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~ Parliament10

[Homerclease]

Oh there is no rush and if he isn't ready by camp, they have the D League. But, as was mentioned, he needs to learn NBA defense and there is no better place to do that than in the NBA if ready in other areas. Last time I checked, all the leagues you mentioned (CBA, Summer, and DLeague) nobody plays defense. So, it is really tough to judge.

Right, which is why I want to stash him again in a real league where defense does matter. IMO all we're doing is wasting a year of control over him at this juncture

I am pretty sure Ainge and Stevens will have a good enough read on him to make the best decision for not only the Celtics, but also Yabusele as well. Even if he doesn't play a lot early on, he would still be practicing against NBA players. And, last time I check our bigs range from OK to sucks. So, a cost effective big who can "play" might be a solid option. I don't think Ainge is really worried about Yab's free agency status down the road.

I'm not sure Yabs displaces any of our guys at this point. Of course it comes down to Ainge and Brad but what's the point of discussing anything then? From what I've seen in the summer league, China and now his first game in the D league, Yabs isn't ready yet.

[Parliament10]

Right, which is why I want to stash him again in a real league where defense does matter. IMO all we're doing is wasting a year of control over him at this juncture

I am pretty sure Ainge and Stevens will have a good enough read on him to make the best decision for not only the Celtics, but also Yabusele as well. Even if he doesn't play a lot early on, he would still be practicing against NBA players. And, last time I check our bigs range from OK to sucks. So, a cost effective big who can "play" might be a solid option. I don't think Ainge is really worried about Yab's free agency status down the road.

I'm not sure Yabs displaces any of our guys at this point. Of course it comes down to Ainge and Brad but what's the point of discussing anything then? From what I've seen in the summer league, China and now his first game in the D league, Yabs isn't ready yet.

Where would he have exhibited this Defense, that you mention?

He's ready, to get NBA ready.
There is No Other League, that is going to get him ready.

[ParticleMan]

I think Yabs could fill the Jerebko role reasonably well. He has a reliable shot, and can drive and draw fouls better than JJ. He is definitely not too good defensively but let's get him into our system before writing him off as a lost cause. Bigs who can shoot and rebound are pretty valuable, even if they are mediocre defenders. And I remember KO being beyond useless on D early in his career, and he is now more than passable because he's learned to play to his strengths on that end. Yabs from what I can see is a pretty intelligent player, he more often than not makes the right play mentally, he just needs some tutelage on the defensive end.

Basically I see Zizic replacing Amir, and Yabs replacing Jonas. More upside, more rebounding.

[Parliament10]

Maine Red Claws @ Windy City Bulls

Saturday, April 1, 2017 @ 8:00 pm ET



Boxscore:
http://dleague.nba.com/games/20170401/MNEWCB/


Gamecast:
https://www.facebook.com/nbadleague/videos/10154935629445289/

[Parliament10]

I think Yabs could fill the Jerebko role reasonably well. He has a reliable shot, and can drive and draw fouls better than JJ. He is definitely not too good defensively but let's get him into our system before writing him off as a lost cause. Bigs who can shoot and rebound are pretty valuable, even if they are mediocre defenders. And I remember KO being beyond useless on D early in his career, and he is now more than passable because he's learned to play to his strengths on that end. Yabs from what I can see is a pretty intelligent player, he more often than not makes the right play mentally, he just needs some tutelage on the defensive end.

Basically I see Zizic replacing Amir, and Yabs replacing Jonas. More upside, more rebounding.

That's what I see.
It also helps that they're each about 10 years younger.

[Higgs Boston]

Probably yabusele and zizic will not be all-star or anything similar, but man, our inside players are awful except horford. Guys like olynyk, amir, jerebko, zeller, mickey would have few minutes or nothing in second units of decent PO teams, some of them are inconsistent and bad players, and the rest are simply horrible.
If zizic and yabusele can't replace these players then both are busts.

[Jingles]

Probably yabusele and zizic will not be all-star or anything similar, but man, our inside players are awful except horford. Guys like olynyk, amir, jerebko, zeller, mickey would have few minutes or nothing in second units of decent PO teams, some of them are inconsistent and bad players, and the rest are simply horrible.
If zizic and yabusele can't replace these players then both are busts.

This is patently false, particularly with regard to Amir and Olynyk, who currently get a lot of minutes for a decent playoff team.

[bucknersrevenge]

To me I think Yabs needs another year. Talent is there but he's soooooo far away on the defensive end I don't see him cracking the rotation at all next season. Send him to Europe in a far better league than the Chinese league and let him develop one more year IMO

I was just about to ask if anyone saw the game and saw how he did on defense. I agree that that is going to be the determining factor in how soon he can be asked to contribute. Did you see how he looked in pick n roll coverage?

[Higgs Boston]

Probably yabusele and zizic will not be all-star or anything similar, but man, our inside players are awful except horford. Guys like olynyk, amir, jerebko, zeller, mickey would have few minutes or nothing in second units of decent PO teams, some of them are inconsistent and bad players, and the rest are simply horrible.
If zizic and yabusele can't replace these players then both are busts.

This is patently false, particularly with regard to Amir and Olynyk.

Amir and olynyk are consistent? Olynyk is so good that probably he will play few minutes in PO because he is so inconsistent and toxic on defense when it comes to serious games with intensity, just like in the previous PO and a lot of games in RS.. And amir is just a bench player that in the celtics plays as starter because the team hasn't a real alternative.
A decent PO team usually has much better inside players than celtics, like toronto, atlanta or wizards.

[Jingles]

Probably yabusele and zizic will not be all-star or anything similar, but man, our inside players are awful except horford. Guys like olynyk, amir, jerebko, zeller, mickey would have few minutes or nothing in second units of decent PO teams, some of them are inconsistent and bad players, and the rest are simply horrible.
If zizic and yabusele can't replace these players then both are busts.

This is patently false, particularly with regard to Amir and Olynyk.

Amir and olynyk are consistent? Olynyk is so good that probably he will play few minutes in PO because he is so inconsistent and toxic on defense when it comes to serious games with intensity, just like in the previous PO and a lot of games in RS.. And amir is just a bench player that in the celtics plays as starter because the team hasn't a real alternative.
A decent PO team usually has much better inside players than celtics, like toronto, atlanta or wizards.

Wizards huh.

[bucknersrevenge]

How do we know that we won't actually NEED Yabs? Danny wants max cap space which means renouncing Amir, Jonas, Kelly, and Jordan Mickey. Not that I love the idea of depending on 2 rookies off the bench but what other options will we have? maybe lower level exception.

[ConstableGeneva]

How do we know that we won't actually NEED Yabs? Danny wants max cap space which means renouncing Amir, Jonas, Kelly, and Jordan Mickey. Not that I love the idea of depending on 2 rookies off the bench but what other options will we have? maybe lower level exception.

We may actually need to stash Yabs for another year to get that max cap space. We could probably get a veteran or two who'd accept something from minimum to room exception if we could build a contending team in the summer. It all depends on the other moves (draft/FA/trades). If the direction is to continue on this trajectory towards contention, having the entire bench composed of guys on rookie deals is not a good idea. Our second unit already breaks down giving significant time to Rozier and Brown. Smart disappointingly hasn't exactly proven he could lead the bench group either.