2017 OKC Thunder Trade Discussion

Post #1341 » by **bondom34** » Wed Mar 29, 2017 3:52 pm

RKAnthony wrote:Hey bondom, the new user name can't private message yet and I need to ask you about something.

RK

Hm...I'll PM you, not sure how else to do it. I can send my email as well.

Post #1342 » by **retrobro90** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 11:55 pm

Been watching the raptors a bit lately. What do people think about a trade surrounding our pick this year for one of Cory Joseph or Delon Wright? We have a need for a legit backup PG and whoever it is needs to be able to play next to russ as well as with the 2nd unit. Raps are very deep at that position and Delon is seeing PT right now in large part due to Lowry's current injury. They still have Fred Vanvleet on the bench as a 3rd stringer if they were to lose one of Delon or Cory.

Post #1343 » by **bondom34** » Sat Apr 1, 2017 12:12 am

retrobro90 wrote:Been watching the raptors a bit lately. What do people think about a trade surrounding our pick this year for one of Cory Joseph or Delon Wright? We have a need for a legit backup PG and whoever it is needs to be able to play next to russ as well as with the 2nd unit. Raps are very deep at that position and Delon is seeing PT right now in large part due to Lowry's current injury. They still have Fred Vanvleet on the bench as a 3rd stringer if they were to lose one of Delon or Cory.

Pretty sure Joseph could be had even possibly in a salary dump, I'd love him.

Osirus89 · Post #1344 » by **Osirus89** » Sat Apr 1, 2017 2:54 am

bondom34 wrote:
retrobro90 wrote:Been watching the raptors a bit lately. What do people think about a trade surrounding our pick this year for one of Cory Joseph or Delon Wright? We have a need for a legit backup PG and whoever it is needs to be able to play next to russ as well as with the 2nd unit. Raps are very deep at that position and Delon is seeing PT right now in large part due to Lowry's current injury. They still have Fred Vanvleet on the bench as a 3rd stringer if they were to lose one of Delon or Cory.

Pretty sure Joseph could be had even possibly in a salary dump, I'd love him.

Anything to ensure that Semaj never sees playing time again :banghead:

Kizz Fastfists · Post #1345 » by **Kizz Fastfists** » Sat Apr 1, 2017 4:59 pm

retrobro90 wrote:Been watching the raptors a bit lately. What do people think about a trade surrounding our pick this year for one of Cory Joseph or Delon Wright? We have a need for a legit backup PG and whoever it is needs to be able to play next to russ as well as with the 2nd unit. Raps are very deep at that position and Delon is seeing PT right now in large part due to Lowry's current injury. They still have Fred Vanvleet on the bench as a 3rd stringer if they were to lose one of Delon or Cory.

What salary are you going to send back that Toronto would take? Are you going to give them Abrines? McDermott and Sabonis? OKC is over the cap for next season in contracts already on the books so they can't just trade the pick for Joseph without matching the salary. The player picked would only carry around a $900K contract value.

Post #1346 » by **retrobro90** » Sat Apr 1, 2017 9:52 pm

Kizz Fastfists wrote:
retrobro90 wrote:Been watching the raptors a bit lately. What do people think about a trade surrounding our pick this year for one of Cory Joseph or Delon Wright? We have a need for a legit backup PG and whoever it is needs to be able to play next to russ as well as with the 2nd unit. Raps are very deep at that position and Delon is seeing PT right now in large part due to Lowry's current injury. They still have Fred Vanvleet on the bench as a 3rd stringer if they were to lose one of Delon or Cory.

What salary are you going to send back that Toronto would take? Are you going to give them Abrines? McDermott and Sabonis? OKC is over the cap for next season in contracts already on the books so they can't just trade the pick for Joseph without matching the salary. The player picked would only carry around a $900K contract value.

True. Maybe Mcbuckets. They could use the depth at SF. So like maybe we send mcbuckets and our pick for Delon and their later pick.

Cadillac22 · Post #1347 » by **Cadillac22** » Sun Apr 2, 2017 12:54 am

This may have been stated before, but with the Thunder's current cast of players, is there a realistic situation that OKC can conduct a possible sign in trade with the Clippers for Blake Griffin?

Kizz Fastfists · Post #1348 » by **Kizz Fastfists** » Sun Apr 2, 2017 1:10 am

Cadillac22 wrote:This may have been stated before, but with the Thunder's current cast of players, is there a realistic situation that OKC can conduct a possible sign in trade with the Clippers for Blake Griffin?

No. Blake would have no interest and the team wouldn't be able to get the Clippers to take Dipo or Adams for him. I guess the Clippers would be interested in Russ for Blake, but that wouldn't help OKC.

Cadillac22 · Post #1349 » by **Cadillac22** » Sun Apr 2, 2017 1:21 am

Kizz Fastfists wrote:
Cadillac22 wrote:This may have been stated before, but with the Thunder's current cast of players, is there a realistic situation that OKC can conduct a possible sign in trade with the Clippers for Blake Griffin?

No. Blake would have no interest and the team wouldn't be able to get the Clippers to take Dipo or Adams for him. I guess the Clippers would be interested in Russ for Blake, but that wouldn't help OKC.

Thanks for the reply, IMO, I feel OKC does not have a true number 2 option on offense. Russ can't do it alone and carrying the team night after night will take its toll on him. The Thunder need to find that missing piece in order to become a serious player in the Western Conference.

Kizz Fastfists · Post #1350 » by **Kizz Fastfists** » Sun Apr 2, 2017 1:25 am

The Thunder have no way to get that 2nd option. The only move OKC as is to trade Russ for a big rebuilding package and the follow up by trading Dipo and Kanter to bottom out and rebuild. Getting Brown and the two Brooklyn picks from Boston for Russ would be a huge start in a rebuild. Without Russ they are a bottom 5 team so you are looking at a total of probably four top 5 picks between Brown, the two Brooklyn picks and OKC's 2018 pick. Throw in whatever they could get from Dipo, Kanter and maybe Adams and you are looking at a very good shot for Presti to repeat the process. Presti has pretty much hit on every top 10 pick he has had. Even Jeff Green, while not a great player, was solid and the only thing he could have really done better there was draft Noah.

Post #1351 » by **bondom34** » Sun Apr 2, 2017 1:27 am

Kizz Fastfists wrote:The Thunder have no way to get that 2nd option. The only move OKC as is to trade Russ for a big rebuilding package and the follow up by trading Dipo and Kanter to bottom out and rebuild. Getting Brown and the two Brooklyn picks from Boston for Russ would be a huge start in a rebuild. Without Russ they are a bottom 5 team so you are looking at a total of probably four top 5 picks between Brown, the two Brooklyn picks and OKC's 2018 pick. Throw in whatever they could get from Dipo, Kanter and maybe Adams and you are looking at a very good shot for Presti to repeat the process. Presti has pretty much hit on every top 10 pick he has had. Even Jeff Green, while not a great player, was solid and the only thing he could have really done better there was draft Noah.

They do. You just never know when that comes open. You don't just trade top 5 players because you never know when an opportunity arises.

Osirus89 · Post #1352 » by **Osirus89** » Sun Apr 2, 2017 5:20 am

bondom34 wrote:
Kizz Fastfists wrote:The Thunder have no way to get that 2nd option. The only move OKC as is to trade Russ for a big rebuilding package and the follow up by trading Dipo and Kanter to bottom out and rebuild. Getting Brown and the two Brooklyn picks from Boston for Russ would be a huge start in a rebuild. Without Russ they are a bottom 5 team so you are looking at a total of probably four top 5 picks between Brown, the two Brooklyn picks and OKC's 2018 pick. Throw in whatever they could get from Dipo, Kanter and maybe Adams and you are looking at a very good shot for Presti to repeat the process. Presti has pretty much hit on every top 10 pick he has had. Even Jeff Green, while not a great player, was solid and the only thing he could have really done better there was draft Noah.

They do. You just never know when that comes open. You don't just trade top 5 players because you never know when an opportunity arises.

I don't know what it is, but I am less and less sold on this draft than I was a few weeks to months ago. I guess just the benefit of all the evidence from the college season. There is this weird feeling that the best players in this draft will be the ones that aren't the most hyped to be picked early. Somebody who is picking between fultz, ball, and jackson is going to be really pissed after its all said and done. There is no way all three of them turn out to be REALLY good. I was looking at previous drafts and it just doesn't happen. So you are trading a sure thing in Russ for a whatever percentage chance that Presti picks the right one out of those three. Also... they can just leave when their contract is up if they want a bigger market for their brand. If Kevin Durant can leave, anyone can leave.

They have to see how Russ feels when the season is over, but trading him should not be on the table unless he tells you he is leaving, and Russ is honest enough to not beat around the bush. I don't know why its viewed as impossible to improve the roster. We know the people that suck. Get rid of them or bury them in the rotation. Singler is already there..its time to add others. If they don't trade the draft pick they have to hit on it, but first they need to trade Kanter at the first available opportunity.

BTW Justin Jackson already looks way better than McDermott and he's not even in the league yet. That's funny to me :lol:

Also the draft is always a game of craps. Sometimes you crap out. Look at Orlando and Minnesota. They have 3 lottery picks each and both teams suck. Hezonja is REAL bad. They also have Gordon and Payton. Payton is the best among them, but can't shoot so..thats a problem. Minnesota has three guys that can score, but can't defend for crap. They are both in the lottery again this year. They will remain there for the foreseeable future. Is that what you want the Thunder to become ?

Post #1353 » by **bondom34** » Sun Apr 2, 2017 6:07 am

Agree....and you never know when a trade comes up. If you told me 3 months ago Boogie would be traded for what he was I'd laugh. But now, we see that sometimes luck just takes over. This team is due for some luck.

SashaTheMachine · Post #1354 » by **SashaTheMachine** » Sun Apr 2, 2017 6:33 am

Random question. I think everyone would love to see Russ play with another all-star level talent. What about Jimmy Butler? Do you guys have the pieces for him? Don't know if it's already been discussed here. A thousand apologies if so.

Post #1355 » by **bondom34** » Sun Apr 2, 2017 6:50 am

Tobi wrote:Random question. I think everyone would love to see Russ play with another all-star level talent. What about Jimmy Butler? Do you guys have the pieces for him? Don't know if it's already been discussed here. A thousand apologies if so.

Sadly nope, but would love him. Think we discussed him a while back. They'd offer pretty much anything for him I'd guess but don't see the Bulls wanting anything.

Pillendreher · Post #1356 » by **Pillendreher** » Sun Apr 2, 2017 7:41 am

Osirus89 wrote:
bondom34 wrote:
Kizz Fastfists wrote:The Thunder have no way to get that 2nd option. The only move OKC as is to trade Russ for a big rebuilding package and the follow up by trading Dipo and Kanter to bottom out and rebuild. Getting Brown and the two Brooklyn picks from Boston for Russ would be a huge start in a rebuild. Without Russ they are a bottom 5 team so you are looking at a total of probably four top 5 picks between Brown, the two Brooklyn picks and OKC's 2018 pick. Throw in whatever they could get from Dipo, Kanter and maybe Adams and you are looking at a very good shot for Presti to repeat the process. Presti has pretty much hit on every top 10 pick he has had. Even Jeff Green, while not a great player, was solid and the only thing he could have really done better there was draft Noah.

They do. You just never know when that comes open. You don't just trade top 5 players because you never know when an opportunity arises.

I don't know what it is, but I am less and less sold on this draft than I was a few weeks to months ago. I guess just the benefit of all the evidence from the college season. There is this weird feeling that the best players in this draft will be the ones that aren't the most hyped to be picked early. Somebody who is picking between fultz, ball, and jackson is going to be really pissed after its all said and done. There is no way all three of them turn out to be REALLY good. I was looking at previous drafts and it just doesn't happen. So you are trading a sure thing in Russ for a whatever percentage chance that Presti picks the right one out of those three. Also... they can just leave when their contract is up if they want a bigger market for their brand. If Kevin Durant can leave, anyone can leave.

They have to see how Russ feels when the season is over, but trading him should not be on the table unless he tells you he is leaving, and Russ is honest enough to not beat around the bush. I don't know why its viewed as impossible to improve the roster. We know the people that suck. Get rid of them or bury them in the rotation. Singler is already there..its time to add others. If they don't trade the draft pick they have to hit on it, but first they need to trade Kanter at the first available opportunity.

BTW Justin Jackson already looks way better than McDermott and he's not even in the league yet. That's funny to me

Also the draft is always a game of craps. Sometimes you crap out. Look at Orlando and Minnesota. They have 3 lottery picks each and both teams suck. Hezonja is REAL bad. They also have Gordon and Payton. Payton is the best among them, but can't shoot so..thats a problem. Minnesota has three guys that can score, but can't defend for crap. They are both in the lottery again this year. They will remain there for the foreseeable future. Is that what you want the Thunder to become ?

I agree. Russ has proven this season that he really is one of a very, very special kind. You trade him if he tells you to, but otherwise you keep him and try to improve.
We'll have to get lucky to become a contender again, but I'd argue our main core with a capable coach isn't that far off actually.

Post #1357 » by **bondom34** » Sun Apr 2, 2017 8:31 am

Pillendreher wrote:
Osirus89 wrote:
bondom34 wrote:They do. You just never know when that comes open. You don't just trade top 5 players because you never know when an opportunity arises.

I don't know what it is, but I am less and less sold on this draft than I was a few weeks to months ago. I guess just the benefit of all the evidence from the college season. There is this weird feeling that the best players in this draft will be the ones that aren't the most hyped to be picked early. Somebody who is picking between fultz, ball, and jackson is going to be really pissed after its all said and done. There is no way all three of them turn out to be REALLY good. I was looking at previous drafts and it just doesn't happen. So you are trading a sure thing in Russ for a whatever percentage chance that Presti picks the right one out of those three. Also... they can just leave when their contract is up if they want a bigger market for their brand. If Kevin Durant can leave, anyone can leave.

They have to see how Russ feels when the season is over, but trading him should not be on the table unless he tells you he is leaving, and Russ is honest enough to not beat around the bush. I don't know why its viewed as impossible to improve the roster. We know the people that suck. Get rid of them or bury them in the rotation. Singler is already there..its time to add others. If they don't trade the draft pick they have to hit on it, but first they need to trade Kanter at the first available opportunity.

BTW Justin Jackson already looks way better than McDermott and he's not even in the league yet. That's funny to me

Also the draft is always a game of craps. Sometimes you crap out. Look at Orlando and Minnesota. They have 3 lottery picks each and both teams suck. Hezonja is REAL bad. They also have Gordon and Payton. Payton is the best among them, but can't shoot so..thats a problem. Minnesota has three guys that can score, but can't defend for crap. They are both in the lottery again this year. They will remain there for the foreseeable future. Is that what you want the Thunder to become ?

I agree. Russ has proven this season that he really is one of a very, very special kind. You trade him if he tells you to, but otherwise you keep him and try to improve.
We'll have to get lucky to become a contender again, but I'd argue our main core with a capable coach isn't that far off actually.

To me, of everything this season, this is the only real disappointment. And I know he's not going anywhere.

Pillendreher · Post #1358 » by **Pillendreher** » Sun Apr 2, 2017 8:46 am

bondom34 wrote:
Pillendreher wrote:
Osirus89 wrote:
I don't know what it is, but I am less and less sold on this draft than I was a few weeks to months ago. I guess just the benefit of all the evidence from the college season. There is this weird feeling that the best players in this draft will be the ones that aren't the most hyped to be picked early. Somebody who is picking between fultz, ball, and jackson is going to be really pissed after its all said and done. There is no way all three of them turn out to be REALLY good. I was looking at previous drafts and it just doesn't happen. So you are trading a sure thing in Russ for a whatever percentage chance that Presti picks the right one out of those three. Also... they can just leave when their contract is up if they want a bigger market for their brand. If Kevin Durant can leave, anyone can leave.

They have to see how Russ feels when the season is over, but trading him should not be on the table unless he tells you he is leaving, and Russ is honest enough to not beat around the bush. I don't know why its viewed as impossible to improve the roster. We know the people that suck. Get rid of them or bury them in the rotation. Singler is already there..its time to add others. If they don't trade the draft pick they have to hit on it, but first they need to trade Kanter at the first available opportunity.

BTW Justin Jackson already looks way better than McDermott and he's not even in the league yet. That's funny to me

Also the draft is always a game of craps. Sometimes you crap out. Look at Orlando and Minnesota. They have 3 lottery picks each and both teams suck. Hezonja is REAL bad. They also have Gordon and Payton. Payton is the best among them, but can't shoot so..thats a problem. Minnesota has three guys that can score, but can't defend for crap. They are both in the lottery again this year. They will remain there for the foreseeable future. Is that what you want the Thunder to become ?

I agree. Russ has proven this season that he really is one of a very, very special kind. You trade him if he tells you to, but otherwise you keep him and try to improve.
We'll have to get lucky to become a contender again, but I'd argue our main core with a capable coach isn't that far off actually.

To me, of everything this season, this is the only real disappointment. And I know he's not going anywhere.

What? Donovan not being able to coach?

Post #1359 » by **bondom34** » Sun Apr 2, 2017 8:57 am

Pillendreher wrote:
bondom34 wrote:
Pillendreher wrote:
I agree. Russ has proven this season that he really is one of a very, very special kind. You trade him if he tells you to, but otherwise you keep him and try to improve.
We'll have to get lucky to become a contender again, but I'd argue our main core with a capable coach isn't that far off actually.

To me, of everything this season, this is the only real disappointment. And I know he's not going anywhere.

What? Donovan not being able to coach?

Yep. He looked competent in the playoffs. Gave me hope.

Post #1360 » by **bondom34** » Sun Apr 2, 2017 8:57 am

Pillendreher wrote:
bondom34 wrote:
Pillendreher wrote:
I agree. Russ has proven this season that he really is one of a very, very special kind. You trade him if he tells you to, but otherwise you keep him and try to improve.
We'll have to get lucky to become a contender again, but I'd argue our main core with a capable coach isn't that far off actually.

To me, of everything this season, this is the only real disappointment. And I know he's not going anywhere.

What? Donovan not being able to coach?

Yep. He looked competent in the playoffs. Gave me hope.