We might as well go ahead and miss the playoffs.

basketballwacko2 · Post #1 » by **basketballwacko2** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 2:27 am

We're not going anywhere any how this team has no heart. :evil:

Pacers_Freak · Post #2 » by **Pacers_Freak** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 3:11 am

Honestly picking 14th or 17th is not going to make a real difference. But I feel your frustration.

Pacersike · Post #3 » by **Pacersike** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 3:19 am

I don't see it happening. This team has too much talent to not make the playoffs. I still believe they are a lock to make the playoffs.

PG is going to kick some opponent butts in the playoffs and depending on who else shows up of our team or which opponent players get hurt or play great, there going to be just enough feel good about the Pacers to make Bird think he can still build a contender around PG.

And reading what Zach Lowe has to say about some of our player contracts, like being able to just waive Stuckey and/or Ellis before the playoffs, has made me a bit more confident about the Pacers future with Paul George.
Trade Al Jefferson with the draft pick for a good player, hold cap on Teague and again there is some financial room to get some decent players.

One year tankings or tanking right now as you proposed, would actually be a smart move to do, but I don't see it happening unless PG takes the lead to do it. Larry Bird isn't going to explain it to him how it would be the smartest thing to do.

Waive Ellis and Stuckey, get a lottery pick, make the team miss the playoffs not only physically but also mentally, get some better players and next year, you could see a much improved team. My guess is we make the playoffs though and a very small chance Stuckey gets waived if he keeps playing like this.

Pacersike · Post #4 » by **Pacersike** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 3:45 am

Pacers_Freak wrote:Honestly picking 14th or 17th is not going to make a real difference. But I feel your frustration.

Kawhi Leonard got drafted with #15. It could make a huuge difference if you are good at picking the right players.

Wether or not another playoff experience makes as much difference is up for debate, but Bird certainly believes playoff experience makes a bigger difference. Though he probably only thinks it when he is counting the money coming in late april

Post #5 » by **pacers33granger** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 10:50 pm

If we miss the playoffs, then PG is gone and everyone will know it. We won't get crap for offers. He wants to win and we'll basically be out of time to prove to him that he can do it here. Much more likely we can keep him if we make the playoffs and at least put up a decent fight and show some progress.

basketballwacko2 · Post #6 » by **basketballwacko2** » Sun Mar 26, 2017 3:31 am

This team has no heart, no guts, they tend to give up and they're revolting to watch. I don't know how many times I've seen this team this season just roll right over and die because they got down 8 points. The other night they were down big in the 4th quarter and came back to make it look respectable, but when you're down 20 in 4th and you don't have a LBJ or Jordan on your team it takes too much energy to make that come back. We don't have the horses to win right now.

Other teams in the east went out and got players to help. Washington got Jennings and Bogdanovic, Toronto got Ibaka and Tucker. I'd say Washington has a shot at beating Cleveland, they are a close 2nd behind them right now.

I'm not normally this pessimistic about the team but we look like warmed over dog crap. This team needs an over haul. IF I was PG I'd be asking Bird to move me at the draft, I don't see them getting better. Trading the pick and Jefferson Meh who's it gonna be? Sign someone? Our last 2 signings have been Monta and Jefferson, Meh. Trades last year for Teague and Thad looked good on the surface. But I think Thad is too small to play PF in the NBA and not quick enough to play SF.

So it's bleak at best. Could we trade Thad, Monta and our pick for some guy a bigger PF who might help? I suppose then sign some guy at SG. Looking at Smitty's list of free agents that's in the Trade and Trans forum I just don't see a lot of help.

Could we rebuild on the fly? We can't do a philly and tank for 3-4 yrs. We could trade PG to Boston for the 2017 Brooklyn pick, Jae Crowder and Rozier and one of their other picks, ideally I'd want the other brooklyn pick but more likely the Memphis pick they hold.

Then we go shoot a max offer at Gordon Hayward if he signs we sign Teague long term Draft well with the Brooklyn 2017 pick and our own. At least we'd put some butts in the seats if we had Hayward and Teague, a team with local appeal and youth.

Pacersike · Post #7 » by **Pacersike** » Sun Mar 26, 2017 10:30 am

Unless the Jazz go very deep in the playoffs, I view Hayward as a true possibility.

A bit similar to Paul George, Gordon is only a 1B player at best. I also believe that both of them know themselves better than anyone else and that both of them want to team up with another star to share responsibilities. If Bird plays it smart, Indiana is a possible place to join forces.

No idea who all needs to be cut or traded to make financial room for him, but it is possible.
Just as it is possible that Hayward re-signs and PG will be the one looking for a new team next season. Jazz would be great for him if they can pay Paul too. As of right now both the Jazz and Pacers don't have enough quality to be in any finals IMO and both teams have little chance to attract the good free agents. Only the coming of major injury or hometown or BFFF ones. (Best fishing friends forever)

Wizop · Post #8 » by **Wizop** » Sun Mar 26, 2017 12:36 pm

I'm all for the lottery although finishing eighths and playing the cavs would sell out the place at least twice. I don't see Ellis as the problem or moving him as the solution. PG was nothing against Denver until he was. Turner was overwhelmed and may need to go back to four. My hope is we get a high enough that he won't trade it. The fever keep trading picks for once all stars and it hasn't worked.

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SBM · Post #9 » by **SBM** » Sun Apr 2, 2017 12:32 am

I agree that you can get the same player at 20 that you can get at 10, but I don't see us making it now.

Wizop · Post #10 » by **Wizop** » Sun Apr 2, 2017 11:34 am

Chicago has passed us and has easy schedule.

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8305 · Post #11 » by **8305** » Sun Apr 2, 2017 1:03 pm

I don't think these guys will have to tank to miss the playoffs and I don't for a minute believe we have too much talent to miss the Playoffs. I too would hate to see us deal the first for what would likely another band aid level veteran. Between the pices not fitting, the lack of five quality starters and no bench this organization has no business thinking they are one piece away.

Post #12 » by **boomershadow** » Mon Apr 3, 2017 2:50 pm

I stopped being much of a Pacers fan from the Brawl till when Frank took over the team and got us to the playoffs. I don't know if I have said it here much, but I really credit him for changing the team's attitude, image, guiding a lot of young talent, and putting that talent in a position to compete for something, which we hadn't really been in a long time.

If we miss the playoffs his first year gone, I am probably gonna check out again for awhile.

Pacers_Freak · Post #13 » by **Pacers_Freak** » Mon Apr 3, 2017 3:29 pm

boomershadow wrote:I stopped being much of a Pacers fan from the Brawl till when Frank took over the team and got us to the playoffs. I don't know if I have said it here much, but I really credit him for changing the team's attitude, image, guiding a lot of young talent, and putting that talent in a position to compete for something, which we hadn't really been in a long time.

If we miss the playoffs his first year gone, I am probably gonna check out again for awhile.

Want me to send you a pm or something when we get good again? :lol:

Post #14 » by **boomershadow** » Mon Apr 3, 2017 4:47 pm

Pacers_Freak wrote:
boomershadow wrote:I stopped being much of a Pacers fan from the Brawl till when Frank took over the team and got us to the playoffs. I don't know if I have said it here much, but I really credit him for changing the team's attitude, image, guiding a lot of young talent, and putting that talent in a position to compete for something, which we hadn't really been in a long time.

If we miss the playoffs his first year gone, I am probably gonna check out again for awhile.

Want me to send you a pm or something when we get good again?

Not a terrible idea, thank you.

I haven't given up completely, though....yet. I was let down we didn't make the playoffs the year Paul was out, but I enjoyed watching that team so much more than this one. I felt like our guys played their butts off and just weren't quite talented enough to get over the hump. This team just rolled over and showed their bellies too many times this year.

I thought we looked a lot better against Toronto and Cleveland despite the losses. We looked hungry, like we actually wanted it, and ended up losing to better teams. But at least we put up a fight. If we had played this hungry all year, I don't think we would be looking at missing the playoffs.

Pacers_Freak · Post #15 » by **Pacers_Freak** » Mon Apr 3, 2017 6:13 pm

boomershadow wrote:
Pacers_Freak wrote:
boomershadow wrote:I stopped being much of a Pacers fan from the Brawl till when Frank took over the team and got us to the playoffs. I don't know if I have said it here much, but I really credit him for changing the team's attitude, image, guiding a lot of young talent, and putting that talent in a position to compete for something, which we hadn't really been in a long time.

If we miss the playoffs his first year gone, I am probably gonna check out again for awhile.

Want me to send you a pm or something when we get good again?

Not a terrible idea, thank you.

I haven't given up completely, though....yet. I was let down we didn't make the playoffs the year Paul was out, but I enjoyed watching that team so much more than this one. I felt like our guys played their butts off and just weren't quite talented enough to get over the hump. This team just rolled over and showed their bellies too many times this year.

I thought we looked a lot better against Toronto and Cleveland despite the losses. We looked hungry, like we actually wanted it, and ended up losing to better teams. But at least we put up a fight. If we had played this hungry all year, I don't think we would be looking at missing the playoffs.

That team that missed the playoffs when PG was hurt is actually one of my favorite Pacer teams of recent memory. GHill was hurt that year a lot as well. They had a lot of tough breaks no pun intended, but they fought their damn asses off night in and night out.

Wizop · Post #16 » by **Wizop** » Mon Apr 3, 2017 6:14 pm

I think the best result at this point would be to locked out of the playoffs before the last game. should we limp in, we need CJ Miles in the playoffs. If we miss, CJ is supposed to have the same contract clause Stuckey had so we can void his player option by cutting him before the last game.

SmashMouthRod · Post #17 » by **SmashMouthRod** » Mon Apr 3, 2017 6:24 pm

I agree that this team appears to miss Frank. Myles has seemingly had a down year after showing so much promise under Frank. Im thrilled about Lance rejoining the team; but it might just not be enough. The biggest difference with this team is attitude/edge in contrast to Frank Vogel coached teams.

Pacersike · Post #18 » by **Pacersike** » Mon Apr 3, 2017 6:25 pm

I'm too lazy to look at the other teams schedules, but ours looks very doable.

2 road games against tank teams, home games against good but not great teams.

I still think we are a lock to make it. Paul George can sniff the playoffs and will use these games to heat up.

Cresy06 · Post #19 » by **Cresy06** » Mon Apr 3, 2017 6:45 pm

Pacersike wrote:I'm too lazy to look at the other teams schedules, but ours looks very doable.

2 road games against tank teams, home games against good but not great teams.

I still think we are a lock to make it. Paul George can sniff the playoffs and will use these games to heat up.

You should take a look..it doesn't look too good for us in my opinion! We need to hope that the Bulls or the Heat mess up a little...

Pacersike · Post #20 » by **Pacersike** » Mon Apr 3, 2017 6:59 pm

Cresy06 wrote:
Pacersike wrote:I'm too lazy to look at the other teams schedules, but ours looks very doable.

2 road games against tank teams, home games against good but not great teams.

I still think we are a lock to make it. Paul George can sniff the playoffs and will use these games to heat up.

You should take a look..it doesn't look too good for us in my opinion! We need to hope that the Bulls or the Heat mess up a little...

Sorry, but I won't look.
I'm confident they will make it. At the beginning of the season I said they were a lock to make the playoffs and their lack of defense and offensive inefficiency wouldn't take them far in the playoffs and I'm sticking with it, all season long

We are not facing the Heat or Bulls. We are facing the Raptors who are already a lock, the Bucks, who soon might be a lock and the Hawks, who don't have anyone like Paul George on their team. Paul George is awesome from 100 feet till 10 feet till the finish.
Game 7 of a playoffs series is when I would start to worry.