2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread Volume 2

[cksdayoff]

Jarred Vanderbilt impresses me. 6'8" who can handle the ball like that, has quick hops and goes after rebounds. He plays very under control.

[Kolkmania]

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[Negrodamus]

PJ Dozier is so inefficient. Has shot ~200 three pointers at South Carolina, making 27.7%, while 90% of his makes are assisted. Also a 58% FT shooter with a 200 FTA sample size.

His size and wingspan look fantastic, but skills matter as well and he's simply not there yet. Would I accept a late 1st round/2nd round flyer on Dozier, sure. Drafting him in the lottery would be a huge mistake imo.

Can you tell me about his defense?

As Brett Brown said: if the shot form looks good, he's not worried about their shooting stats.

Also, a 6'7 point guard with a TO% of 12.8 and an AST% of 22.8 is pretty skillful. On top of that, check out his games when Thornwell was out. I think that's indicative of his potential. It took him, and his team, the remainder of the regular season to get readjusted to Thornwell joining the team again. That's why they went on the run they did.

[SparksFly87]

We need Fultz

[Unbreakable99]

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[Negrodamus]

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[EBrandEra]

Richaun has definitely showed he can be a very good backup center for the Sixers in the future. I like his energy and rim protection he provides and he certainly looks like he has a decent outside shot to spread the floor and bring bigs away from the basket.

Richaun, Dario and Timothe all look like great picks by the Sixers. If Embiid and Simmons come back strong next year and stay healthy, then the Sixers have a really good young nucleus to build on.

And that doesn't even include the player(s) the Sixers draft this year or Korkmaz, who I think has the potential to be a very good contributor in the future as well.

[cksdayoff]

As Brett Brown said: if the shot form looks good, he's not worried about their shooting stats.

as an assistant with the spurs, their scout team every year would bookmark a handful of prospects. these prospects all have good shooting form. chip engelland, the spurs shooting coach would then dissect those prospects via game tape and see whether or not they can become good shooters in the league. only problem with this is we don't have a chip engelland.

[Negrodamus]

As Brett Brown said: if the shot form looks good, he's not worried about their shooting stats.

as an assistant with the spurs, their scout team every year would bookmark a handful of prospects. these prospects all have good shooting form. chip engelland, the spurs shooting coach would then dissect those prospects via game tape and see whether or not they can become good shooters in the league. only problem with this is we don't have a chip engelland.

Yea, and I'm certainly no shooting coach, but his shot looks pretty textbook: right arm in front, aligned with the rim, no wasted movements, shot above the head. I'm sure there smaller, mechanical issues I'm not seeing because I don't do this for a living, but it certainly looks like a shot that can be refined and perfected at the next level. If we got Nerlens and Okafor (and hopefully, Simmons) hitting jumpshots, I think we can get Dozier on the right track.

[SparksFly87]

Richaun has definitely showed he can be a very good backup center for the Sixers in the future. I like his energy and rim protection he provides and he certainly looks like he has a decent outside shot to spread the floor and bring bigs away from the basket.

Richaun, Dario and Timothe all look like great picks by the Sixers. If Embiid and Simmons come back strong next year and stay healthy, then the Sixers have a really good young nucleus to build on.

And that doesn't even include the player(s) the Sixers draft this year or Korkmaz, who I think has the potential to be a very good contributor in the future as well.

Include TJ as well. A high assist low turnover pg. Who is a leader and pesky defender.


Anderson has ron artest size, athleticism and intensity . If he develops a shot its over!

Stauskus is a solid combo guard rotation guy.

Long and Poystress have skills too.

[EBrandEra]

Richaun has definitely showed he can be a very good backup center for the Sixers in the future. I like his energy and rim protection he provides and he certainly looks like he has a decent outside shot to spread the floor and bring bigs away from the basket.

Richaun, Dario and Timothe all look like great picks by the Sixers. If Embiid and Simmons come back strong next year and stay healthy, then the Sixers have a really good young nucleus to build on.

And that doesn't even include the player(s) the Sixers draft this year or Korkmaz, who I think has the potential to be a very good contributor in the future as well.

Include TJ as well. A high assist low turnover pg. Who is a leader and pesky defender.


Anderson has ron artest size, athleticism and intensity . If he develops a shot its over!

Stauskus is a solid combo guard rotation guy.

Long and Poystress have skills too.

Yeah, I like TJ, Stauskas, Anderson and Long, too. Was just focusing on the guys the Sixers have drafted.

I know Noel didn't pan out and Okafor hasn't up til now, but I do think the Sixers have definitely helped themselves through the draft the last few years.

I think of the guys you mentioned, TJ, Stauskas and Long have the best chance to be building blocks.

TJ definitely can be a very good backup PG. Stauskas has really improved his 3pt shooting this season and could be a good 3pt specialist off the bench and Long's game is really intriguing.

[shawn_hemp]

Anyone watching the championship?

Lotta dudes in foul trouble, this could go either way

[shawn_hemp]

Wow this game has seemed like a montage of missed Justin Jackson 3 pt attempts and good defending by UNC

I don't even remember how the score got to this point tbh. Feels like baskets are more the exception than the rule in this game

[Kolkmania]

As Brett Brown said: if the shot form looks good, he's not worried about their shooting stats.

as an assistant with the spurs, their scout team every year would bookmark a handful of prospects. these prospects all have good shooting form. chip engelland, the spurs shooting coach would then dissect those prospects via game tape and see whether or not they can become good shooters in the league. only problem with this is we don't have a chip engelland.

Yea, and I'm certainly no shooting coach, but his shot looks pretty textbook: right arm in front, aligned with the rim, no wasted movements, shot above the head. I'm sure there smaller, mechanical issues I'm not seeing because I don't do this for a living, but it certainly looks like a shot that can be refined and perfected at the next level. If we got Nerlens and Okafor (and hopefully, Simmons) hitting jumpshots, I think we can get Dozier on the right track.

But if his shot form is already decent, shouldn't it be alarming that he's still not able to convert those shots? I'm not familiar with his high school stats, but was he always a poor shooter? Shooting is about consistency in your shooting form, but touch is also a major thing.

FT% is a decent indicator of touch, since the distance is smaller and there are fewer variables. Unlike Kawhi Leonard, PJ Dozier is shooting an abysmal percentage for a guard.

Thornwell played 31 games this year and I haven't watched every game from South Carolina, so I can't tell you how PJ Dozier performed without him. It would be an incredible sample size anyway. The times I've watched Dozier I liked his energy and ability to disrupt defenses with his gigantic wingspan, but he's a negative on the offensive end.

[smittybanton]

Gentry has recently given Holiday more of a combo-guard role, playing him alongside point guard Tim Frazier in the starting lineup.

“I think that’s when he’s at his best,” said Gentry. “It’s not a negative, it’s more of a positive that, when we have two ball-handlers out there, we can create situations for Jrue where all the responsibility is not on him. I think Jrue is at his best when he’s thinking about scoring also.

“With DeMarcus [on the team], he has a tendency to want to be this ‘point guard’, but I want Jrue to always be aggressive offensively because we need those 16, 17 points that he gives us pretty much on a nightly basis.”

Although unlikely, if we get any indication from Jrue's agent that he'll sign with us for a max deal, that gives us five quality NBA starters (Simmons, Holiday, Covington, Saric, and Embiid) and frees up the draft for any position on the board. There's also KCP, THIII. My optimal draft is Ball & Tatum. But if the Sixers believe in Isaac, take him.

[Negrodamus]

as an assistant with the spurs, their scout team every year would bookmark a handful of prospects. these prospects all have good shooting form. chip engelland, the spurs shooting coach would then dissect those prospects via game tape and see whether or not they can become good shooters in the league. only problem with this is we don't have a chip engelland.

Yea, and I'm certainly no shooting coach, but his shot looks pretty textbook: right arm in front, aligned with the rim, no wasted movements, shot above the head. I'm sure there smaller, mechanical issues I'm not seeing because I don't do this for a living, but it certainly looks like a shot that can be refined and perfected at the next level. If we got Nerlens and Okafor (and hopefully, Simmons) hitting jumpshots, I think we can get Dozier on the right track.

But if his shot form is already decent, shouldn't it be alarming that he's still not able to convert those shots? I'm not familiar with his high school stats, but was he always a poor shooter? Shooting is about consistency in your shooting form, but touch is also a major thing.

FT% is a decent indicator of touch, since the distance is smaller and there are fewer variables. Unlike Kawhi Leonard, PJ Dozier is shooting an abysmal percentage for a guard.

Thornwell played 31 games this year and I haven't watched every game from South Carolina, so I can't tell you how PJ Dozier performed without him. It would be an incredible sample size anyway. The times I've watched Dozier I liked his energy and ability to disrupt defenses with his gigantic wingspan, but he's a negative on the offensive end.

Well, he shot 40% from 3 in Nov and Dec, but then tapered off with the return of Thornwell and, probably, a part of it is being 19 years old.

Luckily he has the length and athleticism to be a unique NBA player. Additionally, he has the determination to play defense. Reading DX's preseason write up on him suggests that his accuracy issues is due to inconsistent release point. You don't think an NBA shooting coach, along with countless reps, would fix that?

I'm not dismissing his shooting, but I think it's fixable. I'm more concerned about his ability to draw fouls, to be honest.

[smittybanton]

Over the Suns last four games, Booker is not only pouring in 36.8 points a night, but he is also averaging 7.2 assists. "When Devin Booker took off at the end of last season, he was at the point," Watson said.

Reason #2069 the Suns don't need another guard. I just love how this draft sets up for us.

[shawn_hemp]

Iguodala
Thad Young
Evan Turner
Nerlens Noel
MCW
Tony Wroten
KJ McDaniels
Jerami Grant

Getting a little tired of guys who "if they develop a shot..."

So very tired...

Maybe it's easier to teach a good shooter to be better at other stuff than the other way around

[Negrodamus]

When you lump prospects together based on past experiences, you miss out on great players.

DeMar DeRozan was a 64% free throw shooter his freshman year at USC. He's currently an 84% FT shooter. At this stage of prospect's careers, the numbers shouldn't be the main guiding factor. Form is much more important. Many of those guys have busted forms. Dozier does not.

[Kolkmania]

When you lump prospects together based on past experiences, you miss out on great players.

DeMar DeRozan was a 64% free throw shooter his freshman year at USC. He's currently an 84% FT shooter. At this stage of prospect's careers, the numbers shouldn't be the main guiding factor. Form is much more important. Many of those guys have busted forms. Dozier does not.

And DeRozan is still an 28% career shooter from three, so I don't get your point. DeRozan had 9.5 FGA at USC as a freshman, converting 56.2(!)%. So despite his poor shooting he managed to score efficiently, just like he does in the NBA. He also lived at the line with a great .402 FTr.
DeMar also made great improvements at the line during his freshman and rookie year, improving his FT% to 76%. While Dozier is stuck on basically the same percentage in his sophomore year.

Dozier can't get to the rim, can't shoot efficiently and is not an excellent playmaker, I don't think it's reasonable to expect him overcoming most of these problems. Could he be an outlier? Perhaps, that's why he's probably worth a shot in the late first or second round.