Trade Ideas thread

[Klomp]

The only reason I would maybe say trade Wiggins is you'd get more trade value if both were healthy, not to mention LaVine coming off the ACL injury could affect his immediate trade value.

[Streakers33]

I enjoyed reading your guys argument.. but I think lavines injury was a blessing in disguise.. now lavine will come off the bench behind Dunn next year. Thibs will tell him to just score.. and he will find his role that we all believed he would be. A sixth man.. your big three don't have to all start.. and lavine can still get 30+ mins a night..


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[NewWolvesOrder]

I enjoyed reading your guys argument.. but I think lavines injury was a blessing in disguise.. now lavine will come off the bench behind Dunn next year. Thibs will tell him to just score.. and he will find his role that we all believed he would be. A sixth man.. your big three don't have to all start.. and lavine can still get 30+ mins a night..


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Your blessing in disguise will be shattered when Nets offer LaVine a max contract in 2018. It will only be a real blessing if LaVine signs a reasonable contract before the start of next season.

[Krapinsky]

Here's a new one:

Aldrich for Deng + Houston 1st.

Deng had a bad year playing on a crap team with poor point guard play. But I think he could be our answer to the 3/4 that we need and could have a bounce back year with Thibs and Rubio.

Shedding the rest of the $ owed to Aldrich makes Deng's contract a little more palatable. The Houston first allows us to draft a big to replace Aldrich - maybe Jeanne or Abedayo or Bryant.

[Mattya]

It would take a lot more than that for me to take on Loul Deng's contract.

[Krapinsky]

It would take a lot more than that for me to take on Loul Deng's contract.

Would you rather have Pat Patterson at $16M/year for 4 years. or

Deng for $18M/year for 3 years, while dumping Aldrich and snagging a late #1?

[Mattya]

It would take a lot more than that for me to take on Loul Deng's contract.

Would you rather have Pat Patterson at $16M/year for 4 years. or

Deng for $18M/year for 3 years, while dumping Aldrich and snagging a late #1?

Patrick Patterson on that contract is far better than Deng.

[Krapinsky]

I wouldn't go so far as "far better." The Deng contract looks like a stinker after a year in LA, but I think he could play up to it here. He also ticks a lot of boxes: Veteran leadership, capable of playing the 3 and 4, can stretch the floor a little bit, experience in Thibs' system. I think Patterson is overrated by many here because of supply and demand at the PF position and the fact that he ticks some of those same boxes. We also know that Toronto felt it necessary to upgrade the PF position when it already had Patpat.

I just think it could prove more sensible to buy low on Deng coming from a poor situation rather than buying high on Patterson coming from a good situation. But the correct response to this hypothetical might very well be "none of the above."

Deng PER last three seasons: 15.5, 15.0, 10.1
PatPat PER last three seasons: 14.6, 10.6, 10.7

[Klomp]

If the choice is only between Patterson and Deng, I think you made some fair points Krap. However, I think they can do better than that trade for Deng.

[trevor0333]

I enjoyed reading your guys argument.. but I think lavines injury was a blessing in disguise.. now lavine will come off the bench behind Dunn next year. Thibs will tell him to just score.. and he will find his role that we all believed he would be. A sixth man.. your big three don't have to all start.. and lavine can still get 30+ mins a night..


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Your blessing in disguise will be shattered when Nets offer LaVine a max contract in 2018. It will only be a real blessing if LaVine signs a reasonable contract before the start of next season.

This

[Mattya]

I wouldn't go so far as "far better." The Deng contract looks like a stinker after a year in LA, but I think he could play up to it here. He also ticks a lot of boxes: Veteran leadership, capable of playing the 3 and 4, can stretch the floor a little bit, experience in Thibs' system. I think Patterson is overrated by many here because of supply and demand at the PF position and the fact that he ticks some of those same boxes. We also know that Toronto felt it necessary to upgrade the PF position when it already had Patpat.

I just think it could prove more sensible to buy low on Deng coming from a poor situation rather than buying high on Patterson coming from a good situation. But the correct response to this hypothetical might very well be "none of the above."

Deng PER last three seasons: 15.5, 15.0, 10.1
PatPat PER last three seasons: 14.6, 10.6, 10.7

Patterson has a better DRPM, ORPM, is a better floor spacer, better BPM, better VORP, better defensive points differential at the rim and beyond the arc, and is only 28 compared to Loul Deng who will be 32 very soon.

I'm not sure what the Raptors trading for Serge Ibaka has to do with a comparison between Patrick Patterson and Loul Deng.

[Krapinsky]

Patterson has a better DRPM, ORPM, is a better floor spacer, better BPM, better VORP, better defensive points differential at the rim and beyond the arc, and is only 28 compared to Loul Deng who will be 32 very soon.

This past year, yes. The year before, no. I'm willing to give Deng a little slack for being in a crappy situation this year. Perhaps you and others disagree. The point I am making isn't that Deng > Pat Pat. Far from it. I'm saying, I might rather have Deng + a first + dump Aldrich, than Pat Pat, given those two options presenting themselves.

I'm not sure what the Raptors trading for Serge Ibaka has to do with a comparison between Patrick Patterson and Loul Deng.

It means Patterson is not the long term answer. If he wasn't the answer to be the starting PF for the Raptors, then he probably isn't going to be the answer for us. I don't like the idea of paying $16M for a PF that we will eventually want to upgrade.

[Sugarless]

Patterson has a better DRPM, ORPM, is a better floor spacer, better BPM, better VORP, better defensive points differential at the rim and beyond the arc, and is only 28 compared to Loul Deng who will be 32 very soon.

This past year, yes. The year before, no. I'm willing to give Deng a little slack for being in a crappy situation this year. Perhaps you and others disagree. The point I am making isn't that Deng > Pat Pat. Far from it. I'm saying, I might rather have Deng + a first + dump Aldrich, than Pat Pat, given those two options presenting themselves.

I'm not sure what the Raptors trading for Serge Ibaka has to do with a comparison between Patrick Patterson and Loul Deng.

It means Patterson is not the long term answer. If he wasn't the answer to be the starting PF for the Raptors, then he probably isn't going to be the answer for us. I don't like the idea of paying $16M for a PF that we will eventually want to upgrade.

I don't expect GMs to suddenly learn from their mistakes and stop handling contracts like the ones they've been giving for years (with Deng, Mozgov, Crabbe and company as the latest examples of their bad jugdement, although I'd rather have Patterson than any of those three), but one thing to keep in mind is there is going to be far less money available this season than last year, and less suitors as well, so Patterson may very well end up being cheaper than those 16M.

Now, I understand your point of wanting to have a rotation guy tied for that type of money for only 3 years instead of 4, but even if we forget about the fact that Pat Pat is a better player than Deng at this point (which, to me, he is) age is clearly an important factor here, as Luol is going to be costing a lot when he's already 34, 35 years old towards the end of his contract, and with plenty of miles on his body.

So, while I'd hope we could get him for less, I'd much rather have Patterson for 16M than Deng for 18, and a late first wouldn't be enough to change that.

PS: Regarding Patterson on the Raptors, we shouldn't judge whether a player was the answer or not for them. We should judge him strictly by what he could provide to this team, what we need, and what our prospects are going into the next couple of summers. Now is the time to pay for a FA, and Patterson is one of the few guys that could fit the bill adequately.

[Mattya]

This past year, yes. The year before, no. I'm willing to give Deng a little slack for being in a crappy situation this year. Perhaps you and others disagree. The point I am making isn't that Deng > Pat Pat. Far from it. I'm saying, I might rather have Deng + a first + dump Aldrich, than Pat Pat, given those two options presenting themselves.

The season before this Patterson still had an overall higher RPM. If Deng doesn't improve back to his play last season, then that would be ridiculously bad trade for the Wolves. I'm guessing it is probably a combination of both the crappy team he plays for and him being past his prime.

It means Patterson is not the long term answer. If he wasn't the answer to be the starting PF for the Raptors, then he probably isn't going to be the answer for us. I don't like the idea of paying $16M for a PF that we will eventually want to upgrade.

but what does a team needing an upgrade at his position have to do with what Patterson could bring to the Wolves. The Raptors traded for an upgrade, and they will likely have to pay that player a significant amount more salary than Patterson. How do you expect the Wolves to do that?

[C.lupus]

Wait, you guys are talking about Deng now?

[Mamba4Goat]

What about something like Trevor Booker for Tyus to get a good 4 without blowing stupid money in the off season on one?

[Krapinsky]

What about something like Trevor Booker for Tyus to get a good 4 without blowing stupid money in the off season on one?

I think anyone would do that in heart beat. But why would the Nets?

[andyhop]

What about something like Trevor Booker for Tyus to get a good 4 without blowing stupid money in the off season on one?

I think anyone would do that in heart beat. But why would the Nets?

Cap space and a young player with upside might be more valuable to them than a mediocre vet being paid full value for his production

[Mamba4Goat]

What about something like Trevor Booker for Tyus to get a good 4 without blowing stupid money in the off season on one?

I think anyone would do that in heart beat. But why would the Nets?

Cap space and a young player with upside might be more valuable to them than a mediocre vet being paid full value for his production

Could add on a 2nd or something too.

[cpfsf]

Wait, you guys are talking about Deng now?

i considered it. cap space is arguably more valuable to LA than it is for minnesota, and they need to unload a few assets to get rid of him. i guess the question is how confident are we that we can utilize our cap space this year?