Giannis' Development part 3 - SI Cover/Article - Page 35

[Turk Nowitzki]

He's been in a slump since before the ASB and he wins the award now. Thank Khris.

wut

[blazza18]

March was statistically his worst month for PPGZ. Second worst for rebounding, assists, steals and blocks. And his efficiency numbers were his second lowest through a full month of games as well.

I think it's cool that he won the award but....

[ReasonablySober]

He's been in a slump since before the ASB and he wins the award now. Thank Khris.

wut

?

His first half he was a world beater. 2nd half he's come back down to Earth a bit in relation to his early season performance. I cringe a bit when I notice people on Twitter peppering media about Giannis lately. He's still very good, but I'm not sure how you can watch him play over the last couple months and see the same guy from November and December.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

He's been in a slump since before the ASB and he wins the award now. Thank Khris.

wut

I actually kind of agree with him. His results are still there but I feel things haven't been going his way. Missing layups he normally makes, missing guys on the break (Ie the monroe play), guys missing shots off his passes, weak offensive fouls, etc. But he is playing hard enough and is dominant enough that he still put up monster stats. That said, he doesn't win the award if Middleton wasnt a great batman the first half of the month to get the impressive team record.

[Turk Nowitzki]

He's been in a slump since before the ASB and he wins the award now. Thank Khris.

wut

?

His first half he was a world beater. 2nd half he's come back down to Earth a bit in relation to his early season performance. I cringe a bit when I notice people on Twitter peppering media about Giannis lately. He's still very good, but I'm not sure how you can watch him play over the last couple months and see the same guy from November and December.

I guess we have different definitions of what a "slump" is.

[ReasonablySober]

wut

?

His first half he was a world beater. 2nd half he's come back down to Earth a bit in relation to his early season performance. I cringe a bit when I notice people on Twitter peppering media about Giannis lately. He's still very good, but I'm not sure how you can watch him play over the last couple months and see the same guy from November and December.

I guess we have different definitions of what a "slump" is.

His performance hasn't been as good across the board.

[Turk Nowitzki]

?

His first half he was a world beater. 2nd half he's come back down to Earth a bit in relation to his early season performance. I cringe a bit when I notice people on Twitter peppering media about Giannis lately. He's still very good, but I'm not sure how you can watch him play over the last couple months and see the same guy from November and December.

I guess we have different definitions of what a "slump" is.

His performance hasn't been as good across the board.

He was putting up numbers that had basically never been done before in the NBA. Just because he's "come back down to Earth a bit" to borrow from you, does not in itself constitute a slump in my mind. I understand what you're getting at though, we're arguing semantics.

[greekbuck34]

I believe plenty of guys here(me included probably) are very strong-minded and tend to overreact a lot in any kind of subject and not just about Giannis. Even when they understand that something they said is not logical they won't back down and they will look to support it in any way they can.

Basketball is not a very simple sport and in the age of analytics you can support almost any kind of theory you want.

It's just hilarious though when you are trying to do something like that with the superstar of this board's team when we actually all of us here have eyes and use them to watch 99% of the games...

Ofc when you throw a dumbass theory like the "net negative Giannis" you will get answers
and ofc when your best way to support your argument is "I've not actually said that" or "you are Greek so you are homer and a fanboy so you don't want to see the truth and you are wrong" you will be laughed at..

[ReasonablySober]

I guess we have different definitions of what a "slump" is.

His performance hasn't been as good across the board.

He was putting up numbers that had basically never been done before in the NBA. Just because he's "come back down to Earth a bit" to borrow from you, does not in itself constitute a slump in my mind. I understand what you're getting at though, we're arguing semantics.

Yup.

[coolhandluke121]

He would easily be my MVP if he had played all year like he did in November and December. He just didn't have the supporting cast to get any POTM awards. He can simultaneously be noticeably worse than he was in 2016 and still be a deserving POTM though. It's all circumstances.

[greekbuck34]

His performance hasn't been as good across the board.

He was putting up numbers that had basically never been done before in the NBA. Just because he's "come back down to Earth a bit" to borrow from you, does not in itself constitute a slump in my mind. I understand what you're getting at though, we're arguing semantics.

Yup.

Americans tend to overated offense so much that sometimes they forget to take in account the defense.

Giannis on November or December was posting better stats in even greater efficiency than now but still the Bucks were a .500 at best.

Why?
Why did we win so many games in March with a slighty worse Giannis than before?

Khris Middleton instead of Jabari?
Maybe in half of these games but in the other half he either got trashed on defense or he was in a shooting slumb.
So it can't be just Khris' presense that changed the Bucks team from lossers to winners.

How did we win most of these games?
Our offense was always good even with Jabari instead of Khris but our defense in either the whole game or in the 4th quarter alone was the primary reason we got the positive results in the end.

Who was always there for the block or steal or contested shot in the clutch?
Giannis...


Giannis Pre-All star Defense

Overall DFGA : -3.6%(Borderline Dpoy nominee)
Overall DFGA in the 4th quarter: -1.8(Just a good defender)

Giannis Player of March Defense 18 games sample!

Overall DFGA: -5.6% (Dpoy favorite)
Overall DFGA in the 4th quarter: -22.9% ( A GODLIKE DEFENDER )

So yeah Giannis was actually overall a better player on March than the entire other season despite his slightly decreased numbers and efficiency and ofc the negative real plus rating.

He posted almost the same crazy season average while he turned our defense to godlike when it actually mattered the most and lead the team to wins despite the periodic shooting slumbs from Khris, Brogdon, Monroe and Snell.

How many games did we win in the 4th because our defense despite our terrible offense in the end?

[Shaffty]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1h_7ANV9IFgichZtcPN6jrE2FmfekQvnO4mrlJY7swNk/edit#gid=0

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

Just want to point out that giannis wins player of the month and no one was like "you know, this is a huge deal. I should make a new thread." Kind of crazy how hohum giannis greatness is..

[jute2003]

Cool, and the last 2 pages of this thread gives me a headache.

Sent from my SM-G930V using RealGM mobile app

[Rockmaninoff]

He was putting up numbers that had basically never been done before in the NBA. Just because he's "come back down to Earth a bit" to borrow from you, does not in itself constitute a slump in my mind. I understand what you're getting at though, we're arguing semantics.

Yup.

Americans tend to overated offense so much that sometimes they forget to take in account the defense.

Giannis on November or December was posting better stats in even greater efficiency than now but still the Bucks were a .500 at best.

Why?
Why did we win so many games in March with a slighty worse Giannis than before?

Khris Middleton instead of Jabari?
Maybe in half of these games but in the other half he either got trashed on defense or he was in a shooting slumb.
So it can't be just Khris' presense that changed the Bucks team from lossers to winners.

How did we win most of these games?
Our offense was always good even with Jabari instead of Khris but our defense in either the whole game or in the 4th quarter alone was the primary reason we got the positive results in the end.

Who was always there for the block or steal or contested shot in the clutch?
Giannis...


Giannis Pre-All star Defense

Overall DFGA : -3.6%(Borderline Dpoy nominee)
Overall DFGA in the 4th quarter: -1.8(Just a good defender)

Giannis Player of March Defense 18 games sample!

Overall DFGA: -5.6% (Dpoy favorite)
Overall DFGA in the 4th quarter: -22.9% ( A GODLIKE DEFENDER )

So yeah Giannis was actually overall a better player on March than the entire other season despite his slightly decreased numbers and efficiency and ofc the negative real plus rating.

He posted almost the same crazy season average while he turned our defense to godlike when it actually mattered the most and lead the team to wins despite the periodic shooting slumbs from Khris, Brogdon, Monroe and Snell.

How many games did we win in the 4th because our defense despite our terrible offense in the end?

Yeah, he stopped playing defense in January and February, and then everyone rushed to blame:

1. Jabari
2. Scheme/Statistical regression

It's awesome that he's playing defense again.

[RubberSoul]

As a Bucks fan since being excited for the May-Day backcourt of the future I find it fascinating that some Bucks fans actually are complaining about Giannis.

The dude is a legit 2nd team all NBA guy at 22. He has made massive improvements every season and there is no reason to think he won't again next year. He has a legendary work ethic and to top it off he loves Milwaukee. There are a lot of things wrong with the Bucks and exactly none of them are Giannis.

[Shaffty]

Yup.

Americans tend to overated offense so much that sometimes they forget to take in account the defense.

Giannis on November or December was posting better stats in even greater efficiency than now but still the Bucks were a .500 at best.

Why?
Why did we win so many games in March with a slighty worse Giannis than before?

Khris Middleton instead of Jabari?
Maybe in half of these games but in the other half he either got trashed on defense or he was in a shooting slumb.
So it can't be just Khris' presense that changed the Bucks team from lossers to winners.

How did we win most of these games?
Our offense was always good even with Jabari instead of Khris but our defense in either the whole game or in the 4th quarter alone was the primary reason we got the positive results in the end.

Who was always there for the block or steal or contested shot in the clutch?
Giannis...


Giannis Pre-All star Defense

Overall DFGA : -3.6%(Borderline Dpoy nominee)
Overall DFGA in the 4th quarter: -1.8(Just a good defender)

Giannis Player of March Defense 18 games sample!

Overall DFGA: -5.6% (Dpoy favorite)
Overall DFGA in the 4th quarter: -22.9% ( A GODLIKE DEFENDER )

So yeah Giannis was actually overall a better player on March than the entire other season despite his slightly decreased numbers and efficiency and ofc the negative real plus rating.

He posted almost the same crazy season average while he turned our defense to godlike when it actually mattered the most and lead the team to wins despite the periodic shooting slumbs from Khris, Brogdon, Monroe and Snell.

How many games did we win in the 4th because our defense despite our terrible offense in the end?

Yeah, he stopped playing defense in January and February, and then everyone rushed to blame:

1. Jabari
2. Scheme/Statistical regression

It's awesome that he's playing defense again.

[Jez2983]

Giannis is outstanding. That is all.

[Prez]

I'm with RS. Giannis really hasn't been crazy impactful for months now. Honestly he's kinda been living off the rep of his first half the season where he legitimately was a massive impact player. But since about New years or so it's been streaky and not entirely there. He'll obviously have a great share of monster games but there's also been plenty of games where he gets his raw numbers but with less than stellar decision making, a bit of ball dominant tendencies but coupled with hesitation. No one is saying we're better without him or that he's a negative out there, but I do think it's not that absurd to suggest that since about New Years, his raw stats might be overstating his actual impact.

He seems to be picking up his energy level lately though, and at the perfect time.

[Presence]

It's ok, if you don't have a clue about basketball, it's easy to believe that Giannis is worse now than in December.

I mean, less PPG.