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Prokorov wrote:Roy Tarpley wrote:I really really really want Noel. I hope Dirk doesn't retire until 2018 and clogs up $25m for one more year.
Same... woudl make the offseason for me
Roy Tarpley wrote:Prokorov wrote:Roy Tarpley wrote:I really really really want Noel. I hope Dirk doesn't retire until 2018 and clogs up $25m for one more year.
Same... woudl make the offseason for me
I feel like Marks will make the offer. What do you think he'd offer for Noel, and then what are the odds that the Mavs match?
kamaze wrote:I can see Harris being the odd man out. When the team signed Archie to a 10 day the coach said they needed athleticism since then they've went on a run and signed Archie 'Even when they lose they still have a Goodwin.Spoiler:
GYK wrote:I think it's underestimated how bad the Nets are. Signing anyone short of all-stars just isn't improving the team long or short term. Unless there is a Miami cap room situation in which players want to play together FA is not going to get you anything but overpriced toys. Unmovable toys.
I get not giving away cap space to keep the Celtics from cashing in big, although I absolutely disagree, the draft is the only option. While I do like Caris and RHJ they are low picks, imaging them turning into big players is just harmful, possible, but by draft position to say future solid starters.
I see it best to trade Brook for as much as possible. To trade any players, like Lin, for whatever is best possible. To sign reasonably and whenever trade again for best possible. This hurts, as I like these players, but trade Caris and RHJ for best possible.
The Nets best picks will ultimately be their own. I do like our last picks and in a standard situation I would think long term for them. But considering when consecutive picks of our own are available. And the development of those players who will be, just possibly better, but certainly higher touted from draft position. But most importantly that those guys will be older than you possibly want considering when consecutive picks are available and those pick develop.
GYK wrote:I think it's underestimated how bad the Nets are. Signing anyone short of all-stars just isn't improving the team long or short term. Unless there is a Miami cap room situation in which players want to play together FA is not going to get you anything but overpriced toys. Unmovable toys.
I get not giving away cap space to keep the Celtics from cashing in big, although I absolutely disagree, the draft is the only option. While I do like Caris and RHJ they are low picks, imaging them turning into big players is just harmful, possible, but by draft position to say future solid starters.
I see it best to trade Brook for as much as possible. To trade any players, like Lin, for whatever is best possible. To sign reasonably and whenever trade again for best possible. This hurts, as I like these players, but trade Caris and RHJ for best possible.
The Nets best picks will ultimately be their own. I do like our last picks and in a standard situation I would think long term for them. But considering when consecutive picks of our own are available. And the development of those players who will be, just possibly better, but certainly higher touted from draft position. But most importantly that those guys will be older than you possibly want considering when consecutive picks are available and those pick develop.
JohnStockton wrote:The Unrestricted Free Agents this year are generally very weak, and this being the last year of a huge Salary Cap increase, most potential FA signings will be overpaid in a few years time, IMO.
In addition to those things, the majority of the very good players in FA are mainly guys nearing the end of their primes as well [Millsap, Ibaka, etc]. Their age doesn't really fit in with what the Nets are probably doing, which is looking for young gems [hence the attempted Crabbe/TJ poachings from last year].
Personally, I think the only player the Nets should throw absurd $$$ at is Otto Porter. Probably won't get him even at the MAX, but can't hurt trying.
After that likely strike-out, I'd just fill this roster with short-term Veteran stopgap deals. It doesn't really make sense to do something like sign a 32yr old Paul Millsap for the MAX, and then a few years down the line, you've finally got your draft picks back, but you're also stuck with a huge contract to a 36 year old bench player.
Try signing Mirotic, Ilysova, Patrick Patterson, Amir Johnson, or Shabazz Muhammad to cheap deals. These guys are NBA talents, though with obvious flaws. Not bad for stopgaps though, and they would fit this system.
Could also go higher end, and get true quality players that would cost a bit more [but] will also be out of their primes in 2-3 seasons. Guys like Redick, Patty Mills, and Dwyane Dedmon. These guys would help a ton, but you would probably need to overpay them to come here. They'd be here during the Jeremy Lin/Brook Lopez timeline, before the Nets really retool with their super young guys. Adding one of them would probably build the Nets into becoming a solid 30 win team. Adding two of the three could potentially make this team a contender for the 8th spot IMO, but at the cost of a sizeable chunk of salary cap for 3-4 years.
At the end of the day, I'd try MAXing Otto Porter, probably fail--and then sign only one of Redick/Mills/Dedmon for 12Mil-15Mil/yr for 3-4 years. Fill the rest of the roster spots with the cheaper guys mentioned above, and then maybe find some Euro-talents like some sources have reported.
I think this is more or less what the Nets will do. Pretty boring stuff, but I think the correct move. I'd still try to trade Lopez if you could actually get a young player with real potential for him, but I think that deal probably isn't out there, otherwise it would have already happened. Lin is underpaid for what he's producing, so there's no real reason to trade him, but that's a moot point--because it's clear both sides are committed to each other.
Rich Rane wrote:I think we're all missing the point here. vc4pres needs to stop watching games.
Paradise wrote:Lol Yeah, we're not trading a two way starting PG that didn't have a full season and is one year in a three year deal and leading the team to wins. I mean, we have 30 million in cap space with two first rounders in a deep class. I think the logical thing to do is build upon what's already here. The Nets have a top tier bench and with two rookies joining, I'd say the areas of need is starting SG and backup C/PF. Two guys on Lin and Brook's talent level to join them in the starting lineup.
The same ones saying we should do some stupid Hinkie nonsense without acquiring lottery talent are the same ones making corny hipster jokes about the Nets being terrible.
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JohnStockton wrote:The Unrestricted Free Agents this year are generally very weak, and this being the last year of a huge Salary Cap increase, most potential FA signings will be overpaid in a few years time, IMO.
In addition to those things, the majority of the very good players in FA are mainly guys nearing the end of their primes as well [Millsap, Ibaka, etc]. Their age doesn't really fit in with what the Nets are probably doing, which is looking for young gems [hence the attempted Crabbe/TJ poachings from last year].
Personally, I think the only player the Nets should throw absurd $$$ at is Otto Porter. Probably won't get him even at the MAX, but can't hurt trying.
After that likely strike-out, I'd just fill this roster with short-term Veteran stopgap deals. It doesn't really make sense to do something like sign a 32yr old Paul Millsap for the MAX, and then a few years down the line, you've finally got your draft picks back, but you're also stuck with a huge contract to a 36 year old bench player.
Try signing Mirotic, Ilysova, Patrick Patterson, Amir Johnson, or Shabazz Muhammad to cheap deals. These guys are NBA talents, though with obvious flaws. Not bad for stopgaps though, and they would fit this system.
Could also go higher end, and get true quality players that would cost a bit more [but] will also be out of their primes in 2-3 seasons. Guys like Redick, Patty Mills, and Dwyane Dedmon. These guys would help a ton, but you would probably need to overpay them to come here. They'd be here during the Jeremy Lin/Brook Lopez timeline, before the Nets really retool with their super young guys. Adding one of them would probably build the Nets into becoming a solid 30 win team. Adding two of the three could potentially make this team a contender for the 8th spot IMO, but at the cost of a sizeable chunk of salary cap for 3-4 years.
At the end of the day, I'd try MAXing Otto Porter, probably fail--and then sign only one of Redick/Mills/Dedmon for 12Mil-15Mil/yr for 3-4 years. Fill the rest of the roster spots with the cheaper guys mentioned above, and then maybe find some Euro-talents like some sources have reported.
I think this is more or less what the Nets will do. Pretty boring stuff, but I think the correct move. I'd still try to trade Lopez if you could actually get a young player with real potential for him, but I think that deal probably isn't out there, otherwise it would have already happened. Lin is underpaid for what he's producing, so there's no real reason to trade him, but that's a moot point--because it's clear both sides are committed to each other.
Q: Where do you think the Mavs are going to work with Nerlens Noel the most to improve this offseason? What aspect of his game?
Sefko: He'll have to perfect the midrange shot. He's got the rolls to the rim. No problem there. But opponents play him for that, which is why he's had trouble finishing. If he can pick and pop for that elbow jumper to keep the defense honest, it'll open up the lob game even more. And his rebounding, which isn't bad, needs to continue to improve.
The Bad: big centers are feasting against Dallas
As mentioned above, there hasn’t been that much wrong with Noel’s time in Dallas. There has been one concern however, and it’s that big centers are still gobbling up the Mavs like they’re a college team.
Noel has made some incredible plays on low-post brutes so far (remember him stuffing Marc Gasol?) but take a look at some of the numbers some of the bigger guys in the league have put on the Mavs in games Noel has played in:
Dwight Howard on March 1: 14 points, 12 rebounds on 5-of-5 shooting
Zach Randolph on March 3: 24 points, 10 rebounds on 11-of-14 shooting
Brook Lopez on March 19: 27 points, seven rebounds on 8-of-18 shooting.
DeAndre Jordan on March 23: 14 points, 18 rebounds on 6-of-6 shooting.
Some caveats: these are obviously some of the better bigs in the league who have torched plenty of other teams and Noel obviously isn’t guarding or boxing out these guys for an entire game. But I also didn’t include what the Raptors bigs did on Saturday, where Jonas Valanciunas ate up the Mavs in the paint in the first quarter while Serge Ibaka was a terror all night.
Still, it’s a slightly worrying trend. Noel is listed at 6’11 but he looks so much smaller next to some of the bigger centers and forwards in the league. He’s so slight and has such a slim frame it’s easy for physical bigs to push and shove Noel out of the way so they can get where they need to go.
Jordan is a monster and fastbreak defense and positioning is disjointed, but it’s just alarming how easy he jumps through Noel like he’s not even there. This will be a huge part of his development and hopefully the Mavs can raise his strength and make him a more physical presence.
For what it’s worth, there aren’t a lot of bigs like Jordan in the league and low-post scorers are slowly becoming extinct. He won’t see this every game, but when he does, it would be nice if the Mavs and Noel are better prepared for it.
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