Giannis' Development part 3 - SI Cover/Article - Page 35

[greekbuck34]

Bleacher Report still holds Giannis as the No1 Shooting guard in the league.
Atleast this time they try to explain themselves.

Is Giannis Antetokounmpo a shooting guard? Honestly, your guess is as good as mine. But the majority of his minutes had been logged there at the halfway point, and we're sticking with it while fully acknowledging that he's a positionless player who can run the point and then guard a power forward on the opposite end.

No matter where he plays, Antetokounmpo has been thoroughly dominant in every facet of the game.

It's time to stop claiming he'll be unstoppable when he develops an outside shot, as so many announcers for Milwaukee Bucks' opponents are wont to do. He's already unstoppable even with a shaky perimeter stroke (better when he doesn't hesitate before firing), and he'll be flat-out unfair if the three-point attempts ever start falling with consistency.

Defenders simply can't keep him away from the hoop. Not with his quick movements, lanky strides and creative finishes that allow him to dunk when other players would throw up a soon-to-be-rejected layup attempt. And even if they force him into a disadvantageous situation, he has the passing chops either to find a teammate for a spot-up attempt or to reset the play on the perimeter.

Antetokounmpo does everything for the Bucks, whether he's locking down foes outside, guarding the rim or producing on offense. And as a result, he's leading the team in points, rebounds, assists, steals and blocks per game—with a substantial amount of room to spare in every category.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2700742-nba-position-power-rankings-end-of-regular-season-edition-shooting-guards

[har13]

You forget me,we are not crazy Prez,we didn't do that,sorry but what you do is not fair.

Yes you guys actually did. Sarcastically ripping on arguments no one has made like "we'd be better without him" is strawmanning.

Giannis' fanboys is the true problem here. The seed of each argument.
Everyone else is logical in whatever they say.
Especially if he is not from Greece because if you were born there you MUST think that Giannis is perfect all the time.
We get it.

This is funny coming from you considering your post literally right before this one generalized Americans. Okay to generalize Americans, but the thought of Greek fans being biased towards a Greek player is somehow absurd?

Sorry man,i'm not going to respond,you know what happened,i know i can't win this fight ,you are the objective here and i'm for them Giannis fanboy,i don't want to start a fight with you to begin with buti still believe what you are doing is not fair,not fair at all.

[Ron Swanson]

I have no idea where BR is getting that he's logged the majority of his minutes at SG. He's usually defending the opposing PF so he can help with weak-side shot-blocking, and Basketball Reference has him logging 67% of his minutes at SF and only 3% at SG.

[jute2003]

But but he's net negative, brogdon, middleton and thon are PotG in every game in the last weeks.
The guy is just stat padding and he's not even good at that, considering the fact that he's losing the TDs for 1 assist in every game.
And he can't score more than 31 and grab over 15 boards.
Horrible choice by NBA, he's clearly overhyped.

So you're being rational?

[jute2003]

But but he's net negative, brogdon, middleton and thon are PotG in every game in the last weeks.
The guy is just stat padding and he's not even good at that, considering the fact that he's losing the TDs for 1 assist in every game.
And he can't score more than 31 and grab over 15 boards.
Horrible choice by NBA, he's clearly overhyped.

But the team played better without him..

You?

[jute2003]

But but he's net negative, brogdon, middleton and thon are PotG in every game in the last weeks.
The guy is just stat padding and he's not even good at that, considering the fact that he's losing the TDs for 1 assist in every game.
And he can't score more than 31 and grab over 15 boards.
Horrible choice by NBA, he's clearly overhyped.

But the team played better without him..

Let's get Rubio to play the PG and put midds on 3.
That will give us what we've been seeking finally.
If giannis doesn't like it he can go and find westbrook so that they will destroy the thunder together with their stat padding.

Still a rational argument?

[jute2003]

Fanboys...LOL
This board hasn't seen a great player ever since RealGM was first created.
So frankly it doesn't matter at all what this board thinks after every win or loss.
Because this board can't claim that he has seen what a great player actually looks like.
Terry was a bum who was taking mins away from vaughn...now terry is the goat veteran.
Jabari was the 2nd coming of barkley...then he became a fat ass who hurts the team with his D.
Dellavedova was the definition of 3 and D guy...now he's a joke.
This team was full of scrubs who were considered NBA players only due to Giannis...now they are actually all decent and good and Giannis is a net negative and he's clearly not the best and most valuable player of this team.
It will be amazing to watch the bucks if Giannis loses 6 months....only God knows what will be posted here.
The only thing in which this board agrees is that henson is the best C the bucks ever had ^^

You arent being overly sensitive?

[greekbuck34]

I have no idea where BR is getting that he's logged the majority of his minutes at SG. He's usually defending the opposing PF so he can help with weak-side shot-blocking, and Basketball Reference has him logging 67% of his minutes at SF and only 3% at SG.

In their previous update they said the same.

The only explanation that should be required here is why Giannis Antetokounmpo qualifies as a shooting guard.

Throughout the season, the Milwaukee Bucks have played him at various spots in the lineup. They've done everything from bringing in power forwards to spell him and letting him run the point while guarding opposing 3s. But http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/antetgi01.html#advanced_pbp::none shows 65 percent of his minutes have come as a shooting guard, and that settles the debate—for our purposes, at least.

[jute2003]

You are looking for slights to be offended by. Every time theres a criticism, deserved or otherwise, you act like people are trying to diminish his abilities. The truth is he has not been as good this month. Its not subjective. Its not bias. You've seen stats.

We are all Giannis fans. We all know he is the best player on the team. We all know he has a unique ability to effect the game in so many ways.

He is not without fault. He is the best greek in the league. He is not the best player in the league. We are happy he is here. We hope he never leaves. Now quit your crying and outrage and disbelief that someone could think of Giannis as anything but perfect. Its **** annoying..

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[har13]

But but he's net negative, brogdon, middleton and thon are PotG in every game in the last weeks.
The guy is just stat padding and he's not even good at that, considering the fact that he's losing the TDs for 1 assist in every game.
And he can't score more than 31 and grab over 15 boards.
Horrible choice by NBA, he's clearly overhyped.

But the team played better without him..

You?

Whats wrong about it?i was having fan with the guys,do you want me to quote them to prove i'm not crazy?do you see me call them out and who they were?i'm not going to do it anyway,first because i like most of them even if i disagree with them,i don't want them even to involve in the conversation because i still respect their opinion and the only conversation we are having right now is for people to understand that its not fair for as to call as Giannis fanboys when we disagree on something,do you disagree?
You can read my other posts too to see if i'm just a blind Giannis fanboy.

[humanrefutation]

I think it's a fairly simple disagreement.

You have some fans, like myself, who believe Giannis is amazing and worthy of praise and adoration, but also has flaws that are worth critiquing in the hope that he gets better.

You have others, those Giannis fanboys like greekbuck and 3Diamantidis, who believe Giannis is so great that any critiques of his play are a personal affront to the mythology they've built around him. So, instead of engaging with those critiques, they respond by lashing out in defense of Giannis's honor - as if any criticism of him demeans his status as a great player. It comes from a place of insecurity, as they've invested so much emotion in Giannis that they cannot engage with any possibility that he's anything less than a superstar.

To call one poster Giannis fanboy is not a bad thing,to call it like we are blind when we speak about him then yes, its wrong,when you can use it all the times that someone from Greece says something good about Giannis then you know that its not fair for him right?
When i 'm saying something bad about Giannis its all good when i disagree and i say something good about him then i'm from Greece and i'm a fanboy.

I never said it was all Greeks or even mentioned Greece. Do I think that's a factor for some of you fanboys? Absolutely - I know I have pride when people of my ethnicity or my religious faith do well. But I never mentioned Greece, because I'm not ignorant enough to believe all Greeks speak with one voice.

What makes you a Giannis fanboy is precisely what I described - a ridiculous defensiveness of him that is disproportionate to the very real and obvious flaws that fans of him continue to critique, and the failure of you to understand that those criticisms are within a context that already identifies him as a great player. The proof is in those of you who crowed about him winning POTM as if that vindicated your unique perspective on Giannis's potential and used it as a reason to bludgeon those of us who offer critiques of him, as if we don't all agree that Giannis is probably the most exciting player the Bucks have had since Kareem.

I don't like Giannis because he is the perfect player,i like him because he can die in the court for his team and his teammates,and sorry man we maybe don't know about Nba superstars,most important we don't see the game as one man show like you do but Greek teams have won 9 of the last 20 euroleague titles ,we lost many in final 4 too,all the time we criticize our players when they not perform well even if the game is not important,imagine what we are doing to them when they are not perform well in a final 4..

This is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. No one here says that the game is a one-man show. Yet, unlike you it seems, we're capable of criticizing Giannis's individual flaws and errors without exclaiming "BUT WHAT ABOUT THIS GUY WHO WAS WORSE" - as if the expectations for the Mirza Teletovics of the world are the same as they are for Giannis.

[Perishable517]

[
I haven't contributed to this particular thread because it seems to have oddly taken off when the Bucks started to play better basketball. Like we're programmed to find something, anything to complain about. Sure, Giannis isn't perfect. And every great player is put under a microscope. But I guess I just don't understand the need to cram his shortcomings down everyone's throat right now. Especially considering the trajectory of his career to this point. He's making ridiculous, maybe unprecedented or unparalleled, leaps and bounds every season. When the team has heightened expectations, like "championship contenders," there will be plenty of time to scrutinize Giannis' "clutch gene." Until then, why not just enjoy the growth?

C'maaan man, that's optimist talk.

[yannisk]

These boards are full of exaggerations one day Bucks are trash the next they can reach the ECF
The same posters that proclaim Giannis a "superstar" and "top ten" player then complain he is not perfect. They create an inflated idea of how good Giannis is and then they complain when he is not living up to their imagination.

Giannis had his best month in December but generally he has been pretty consistent month to month
22-24 ppg 8+ rbs 50%+fg 5apg 1.5 st 1.5 blk

If you read the game thread some posters always write that he is playing terrible. If for example somebody says that
a 22 9 3 3 3 is not that terrible he is a fanboy. If god forbid he happens to be Greek as well then his opinion is useless.

For me Giannis is not perfect, he has some clear weak points, so I am not surprised when he is not playing perfectly. He is the best player on the team by quite a big margin, he is giving maximum effort in the games and from what we hear he is a hard worker. You can not ask anything more, you only hope that he will improve the things he is not good at.

He is the best Greek in the league as somebody says above, he is also the best player on the team and if you are not 60 plus he is the best (or second best) you have seen in a Bucks uniform.

[greekbuck34]

The truth is he has not been as good this month. Its not subjective. Its not bias. You've seen stats.

Now quit your crying and outrage and disbelief that someone could think of Giannis as anything but perfect. Its **** annoying..

We had 14 wins on March. On atleast 10 of those we held the opponent down late in the game and we took the W despite our terrible half court offense as per usual the last few years. (Truth)

Remember the end of 90% of the games we won on March.

Giannis was like DPOY overall and godlike in the 4th quarters.

http://i.imgur.com/bcwT83J.png (Stats)

Giannis' stats in our 14 wins.

=======PPG==REB==AST==TOV==STL==BLK==3P%===TS%===+/-==PIE
Giannis:24.3==9.1==5.1===1.9==1.5==1.9==40.0===61.0===3.7==19.5 (Stats)

Without our defense in which Giannis was and will always be the anchor we would have lost at least 6-7 of those games and now we wouldn't stop bitching about our terrible tank and the slim chances of getting a high draft pick.

So in the end Giannis has not been as good offensively this month but he has been more impactful mainly on defense and on helping the Bucks securing the positive result.

That's what most of us are saying. Not that he is perfect.

This is ofc some annoying crying of a Giannis fanboy and the truth is what you are saying and it's not subjective because you are the one that said that truth( ) and it's not bias because you are not greek. You have seen some stats anyway.

[har13]

These boards are full of exaggerations one day Bucks are trash the next they can reach the ECF
The same posters that proclaim Giannis a "superstar" and "top ten" player then complain he is not perfect. They create an inflated idea of how good Giannis is and then they complain when he is not living up to their imagination.

Giannis had his best month in December but generally he has been pretty consistent month to month
22-24 ppg 8+ rbs 50%+fg 5apg 1.5 st 1.5 blk

If you read the game thread some posters always write that he is playing terrible. If for example somebody says that
a 22 9 3 3 3 is not that terrible he is a fanboy. If god forbid he happens to be Greek as well then his opinion is useless.

For me Giannis is not perfect, he has some clear weak points, so I am not surprised when he is not playing perfectly. He is the best player on the team by quite a big margin, he is giving maximum effort in the games and from what we hear he is a hard worker. You can not ask anything more, you only hope that he will improve the things he is not good at.

He is the best Greek in the league as somebody says above, he is also the best player on the team and if you are not 60 plus he is the best (or second best) you have seen in a Bucks uniform.

I give up man,people can call him the God here for more than a week after his games and then after a bad game they can say he is playing bad for a month,thay can also not like Khris so much and want to trade him for Brooklins pick and then call him better player than Giannis,they also can say that Khris is playing great even after 2 of his worst games ever ,when i say i love Khris from the start and i don't know if Giannis is better player than him then when i disagree with someone about Giannis i'm his fanboy,when i believe that he can't play perfectly all the times because as you i believe he has clear weak points then once again i'm his fanboy,i don't know maybe we must say nothing ,better for us better for them,never speak about Giannis again is what they want us to do.

[greekbuck34]

Our best two players on March in only our 14 wins.

=======PPG==REB==AST==TOV==STL==BLK==3P%===TS%===+/-==PIE
Giannis:24.3==9.1==5.1===1.9==1.5==1.9==40.0===61.0===3.7==19.5
Khris:...18.2==4.6==3.3===2.9==1.6==0.4==42.4===61.3===9.6==12.5

[Beorn]

I hate it when the Giannis discussions degenerate like this, have skipped most pages this week...

[yannisk]

i believe that he can't play perfectly all the times because as you i believe he has clear weak points then once again i'm his fanboy,i don't know maybe we must say nothing ,better for us better for them,never speak about Giannis again is what they want us to do.

just say your opinion and don't worry. Personally, if they say i am fanboy, I will go "full fanboy" (till I meet this old geezer Buck fan that has seen Kareem and Oscar playing for the Bucks)

[har13]

I think it's a fairly simple disagreement.

I give up men,you completly **** up what i said,i want always to believe that many of you do that because of my english,once more i will act like you didn't understand what i said,you are free to call me Giannis fanboy who act like a blind and stupid man who cannot separate his love for a player with good and healthy criticism even if i do it all the time,you can continue now.

Oh and you didn't understand what i said. Nba is a players league,if you don't agree thats fine but please man..,i will never say look Teletovic didn't play well,Giannis was better than him so Giannis wasn't terrible,can you believe that someone can think like that anywhere in this planet?what are we?5 years old?

[ampd]

These boards are full of exaggerations one day Bucks are trash the next they can reach the ECF
The same posters that proclaim Giannis a "superstar" and "top ten" player then complain he is not perfect. They create an inflated idea of how good Giannis is and then they complain when he is not living up to their imagination.

Giannis had his best month in December but generally he has been pretty consistent month to month
22-24 ppg 8+ rbs 50%+fg 5apg 1.5 st 1.5 blk

If you read the game thread some posters always write that he is playing terrible. If for example somebody says that
a 22 9 3 3 3 is not that terrible he is a fanboy. If god forbid he happens to be Greek as well then his opinion is useless.

For me Giannis is not perfect, he has some clear weak points, so I am not surprised when he is not playing perfectly. He is the best player on the team by quite a big margin, he is giving maximum effort in the games and from what we hear he is a hard worker. You can not ask anything more, you only hope that he will improve the things he is not good at.

He is the best Greek in the league as somebody says above, he is also the best player on the team and if you are not 60 plus he is the best (or second best) you have seen in a Bucks uniform.

I give up man,people can call him the God here for more than a week after his games and then after a bad game they can say he is playing bad for a month,thay can also not like Khris so much and want to trade him for Brooklins pick and then call him better player than Giannis,they also can say that Khris is playing great even after 2 of his worst games ever ,when i say i love Khris from the start and i don't know if Giannis is better player than him then when i disagree with someone about Giannis i'm his fanboy,when i believe that he can't play perfectly all the times because as you i believe he has clear weak points then once again i'm his fanboy,i don't know maybe we must say nothing ,better for us better for them,never speak about Giannis again is what they want us to do.

In fairness some of those people saying those things are probably not the same people.