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Draftees 2016 – Brown, Yabusele, Žižić, Jackson, Nader

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Re: Draftees 2016 – Brown, Yabusele, Žižić, Jackson, Nader 

Post#1161 » by Homerclease » Tue Apr 4, 2017 5:50 pm

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Homerclease wrote:Sullinger was actually a pretty darn good defender while he was here as well.



do you have empirical proof or is this just yer opinion

My opinion, I don't think it's a coincidence that our defense took a slight hit this year without Sully and Evan Turner. Box scores against Demarcus Cousins would be my other sticking point although I admit I have no advanced data on the subject.
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Re: Draftees 2016 – Brown, Yabusele, Žižić, Jackson, Nader 

Post#1162 » by pfm » Tue Apr 4, 2017 5:58 pm

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Homerclease wrote:Sullinger was actually a pretty darn good defender while he was here as well.



do you have empirical proof or is this just yer opinion

Sullinger was a very solid defender during his time here by basically all major defensive metrics (DRtg, DBPM, DWS...etc). While not an athletic shot blocker, he was smart, strong, and rebounded well. His issue wasn't really producing when he was on his game. His issue was that he lacked conditioning and fitness, which generally led to injuries and his game fading as the season went on.
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Re: Draftees 2016 – Brown, Yabusele, Žižić, Jackson, Nader 

Post#1163 » by FakeScreenName123 » Tue Apr 4, 2017 5:59 pm

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Homerclease wrote:Sullinger was actually a pretty darn good defender while he was here as well.



do you have empirical proof or is this just yer opinion

My opinion, I don't think it's a coincidence that our defense took a slight hit this year without Sully and Evan Turner. Box scores against Demarcus Cousins would be my other sticking point although I admit I have no advanced data on the subject.



my opinion was that he was a definite below average defender who could only defend low post players (rare) with his wide, low frame and was a liability on p&r coverage (a lot).
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Re: Draftees 2016 – Brown, Yabusele, Žižić, Jackson, Nader – (Red Claws Post Season) 

Post#1164 » by Gant » Tue Apr 4, 2017 6:16 pm

Nice match up for Yabusele tonight as the opposing power forward is Tyler Hansborough. (Hansborough's back up is Ben Bentil.)
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Re: Draftees 2016 – Brown, Yabusele, Žižić, Jackson, Nader 

Post#1165 » by AKFO » Tue Apr 4, 2017 6:20 pm

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do you have empirical proof or is this just yer opinion

My opinion, I don't think it's a coincidence that our defense took a slight hit this year without Sully and Evan Turner. Box scores against Demarcus Cousins would be my other sticking point although I admit I have no advanced data on the subject.



my opinion was that he was a definite below average defender who could only defend low post players (rare) with his wide, low frame and was a liability on p&r coverage (a lot).

He became a guy that was strictly a 5 and could not play any 4. At the 5, he positioned himself well, rebounded well, held his ground against bigger centers, and took charges. He just became too fat to guard 4's and defend the pick and roll/pop.

I laughed out loud when the Raptors thought they were gonna start Sully at the 4 next to Val. That frontcourt would get abused in pick and rolls.
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Re: Draftees 2016 – Brown, Yabusele, Žižić, Jackson, Nader 

Post#1166 » by 165bows » Tue Apr 4, 2017 6:58 pm

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Homerclease wrote:My opinion, I don't think it's a coincidence that our defense took a slight hit this year without Sully and Evan Turner. Box scores against Demarcus Cousins would be my other sticking point although I admit I have no advanced data on the subject.



my opinion was that he was a definite below average defender who could only defend low post players (rare) with his wide, low frame and was a liability on p&r coverage (a lot).

He became a guy that was strictly a 5 and could not play any 4. At the 5, he positioned himself well, rebounded well, held his ground against bigger centers, and took charges. He just became too fat to guard 4's and defend the pick and roll/pop.

I laughed out loud when the Raptors thought they were gonna start Sully at the 4 next to Val. That frontcourt would get abused in pick and rolls.

Agree that he is missed inside though I think a big versatile wing is missing more without Turner. Right now the team has tons of guards and wings but they all end up very small no matter the combinations.
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Re: Draftees 2016 – Brown, Yabusele, Žižić, Jackson, Nader – (Red Claws Post Season) 

Post#1167 » by Parliament10 » Tue Apr 4, 2017 7:53 pm

Guerschon Yabusele in the D-League: Snap reactions to Boston Celtics draft pick's first two games
BY JAY KING | MASSLIVE.COM | April 4, 2017

http://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2017/04/guerschon_yabusele_in_the_d-le.html
Promising offense

In accordance with pre-draft reports, Yabusele's offense is more advanced than his defense. Over the two games, he averaged 18.5 points and 10.0 rebounds while shooting 11 for 17 (64.7 percent) from the field, including 4 for 6 (66.7 percent) from behind the arc. Especially if he can continue knocking down above-the-break 3-pointers, it's easy to see how he will one day fit into an NBA system: by picking, popping, spreading the court, and attacking closeouts. Despite his strength, Yabusele generally stayed away from the low post; he appears to be more of a face-up guy, which is funky but intriguing for someone with the build of an oversized tight end....

At the other end...


While it's easy to envision how Yabusele will impact an NBA offense, his fit at the other end wasn't so obvious during his first two games in Maine. Though he has quick feet (which earned him the nickname "the Dancing Bear"), they did not help him stay in front of smaller guys in space. Every switch turned into an adventure, which typically did not end well for the Red Claws.

Most NBA big men either switch screens, protect the rim, or find a way to do both. Yabusele did not block a shot in either game and hardly impacted any attempts near the rim. With his strength, long wingspan (nearly 7-foot-2, according to DraftExpress) and solid lateral mobility, he has potential to grow into a versatile defender, but, last year, draft experts voiced concerns about his production at that end of the court. Kevin O'Connor, now with the Ringer, questioned Yabusele's effort, rim protection and mentality. DraftExpress wrote, "Yabusele did little to help matters (on defense), frequently seeming to be going through the motions."

Developing into a stretch 5 (a super valuable commodity) isn't out of the question. Growing into a switching 4 wouldn't be shocking. But, like a lot of young players (he's 21), Yabusele needs to learn how to harness his physical tools. He has compared himself to Draymond Green, but might want to watch hours of tape on how Green leverages his strength, quickness and knowledge of angles.

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Re: Draftees 2016 – Brown, Yabusele, Žižić, Jackson, Nader 

Post#1168 » by Banks2Pierce » Tue Apr 4, 2017 9:10 pm

FakeScreenName123 wrote:
Homerclease wrote:Sullinger was actually a pretty darn good defender while he was here as well.



do you have empirical proof or is this just yer opinion


Defense was 5 pp100 better with Sullinger than it has been with Horford on the court this year. You're fighting a tough uphill argument against the stats if you think Sullinger was a definite below average defender. Always thought he had good hands defensively, used his weight well, and knew where to be on that end. Got to be too much of a slob late in the season and his career may be cooked now.
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Re: Draftees 2016 – Brown, Yabusele, Žižić, Jackson, Nader 

Post#1169 » by FakeScreenName123 » Tue Apr 4, 2017 9:46 pm

Banks2Pierce wrote:Defense was 5 pp100 better with Sullinger than it has been with Horford on the court this year. You're fighting a tough uphill argument against the stats if you think Sullinger was a definite below average defender.


just askin questions cos idk the asnwers but i'm rdy to climb this hill to prove horford is a better defender than sullinger. Sullinger ex gf syndrome makes people think of the good more than the bad. I mean, the ironic part of Sullinger was that he was in the best shape of his career this year, the year he wasn't a Celtic. And he got hurt. Again.

-how are those pp100 stats this year vs last year across the board in the leauge. Follow up: if D rtgs are generally worse than last year, how do we account for that adjustment?

-what were teh specific lineups that sullinger was in and how did they do against other celtic lineups, follow up: 4th quarter lineups? Follow up: how do we account for the time played at each lineup? Let's figure out where the cut-off is for MPG of each lineup used.

-how often did Celtics play sullinger at PF/C? Essentially, how often was Sullinger with another 'big' versus horford playing with a crowder at the 4.

-how often did Sullinger see the floor in 4th quarters of games, if so, what were the team drtg and his adj +/-

-do you think that Sullinger is a better defender than Horford because of the stats you mentioned?

-let's have a long philosophical debate on stats usage, we can get into all sorts of topics: have stats learned to accurately measure individual defense? Correlation between interior D strength versus overall team D rtg (myth or reality?) let's get into tangents whetehr 'clutch' exists and how exactly do stats measure p&r efficiency on the roller versus the ball-handler. Omg so many topics let's spend years figuring it out, you wanna? i'm down.
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Re: Draftees 2016 – Brown, Yabusele, Žižić, Jackson, Nader – (Red Claws Post Season) 

Post#1170 » by ConstableGeneva » Tue Apr 4, 2017 9:51 pm

^^ Defenses are 2.3 points per 100 possessions worse this season on average compared to last.

I'll leave the two of you alone to that debate now lol.
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Re: Draftees 2016 – Brown, Yabusele, Žižić, Jackson, Nader – (Red Claws Post Season) 

Post#1171 » by FakeScreenName123 » Tue Apr 4, 2017 9:57 pm

CrowderKeg wrote:^^ Defenses are 2.3 points per 100 possessions worse this season on average compared to last.

I'll leave the two of you alone to that debate now lol.



wow ty! hoo boy we need a statistician to adjust that rating somehow to this year, is it even comparable? are we comparing two different things when we compare leaguewide stats like that? WhAaT IS THE StandARD DEVIation!!?!?!?! IDK THE ANSWERS BUT IM ASKING THE QUESTIONS ITS OVERWHELMING HOW MANY STATS THERE ARE YOU GUYS
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Post#1172 » by Crossy2008 » Tue Apr 4, 2017 10:35 pm

Here's the link for the live stream of tonight game.

https://www.facebook.com/nbadleague/videos/10154943654260289/

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Re: Draftees 2016 – Brown, Yabusele, Žižić, Jackson, Nader – (Red Claws Post Season) 

Post#1173 » by CelticsLV » Tue Apr 4, 2017 11:03 pm

Crossy2008 wrote:Here's the link for the live stream of tonight game.



That's a scam stream. Can tell by that "link in the description". Usually takes you to some website that's probably full with ads, viruses etc.
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Re: Draftees 2016 – Brown, Yabusele, Žižić, Jackson, Nader – (Red Claws Post Season) 

Post#1174 » by Homerclease » Tue Apr 4, 2017 11:13 pm

Nader the best player on the court so far, Yabs just checked in at the 6 min mark of the first quarter. 7 first quarter points for Nader thus far
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Re: Draftees 2016 – Brown, Yabusele, Žižić, Jackson, Nader – (Red Claws Post Season) 

Post#1175 » by Parliament10 » Tue Apr 4, 2017 11:17 pm

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Maine Red Claws @ Fort Wayne Mad Ants

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Tuesday, April 4, 2017 @ 7:00 pm ET



Watch On Facebook Live:
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Boxscore:
http://dleague.nba.com/games/20170404/MNEFWN/

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NBA D-League Playoffs 2017, CONFERENCE SEMIFINALS:
Maine Red Claws (2) vs. Fort Wayne Mad Ants (3)

By Brian Kotloff | April 2, 2017
http://dleague.nba.com/news/nba-d-league-playoffs-2017-maine-red-claws-fort-wayne-mad-ants/

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Game 1: Maine @ Fort Wayne | Tuesday 4/4, 7 PM ET, Facebook Live
Game 2: Fort Wayne @ Maine | Monday 4/10, 8 PM ET, Facebook Live
Game 3*: Fort Wayne @ Maine | Wednesday 4/12, 7 PM ET, Facebook Live

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SERIES PREVIEW

In a league where rosters shuffle year after year, these two teams have managed to instill a winning culture. Both teams are making their fourth postseason appearance in five years, though the Mad Ants have a title under their belt while the Red Claws are still searching for their first playoff series win.

The common thread between the two teams this year is NBA talent. Celtics rookie Abdel Nader has a strong case for NBA D-League MVP while spending the entire season with Maine. Guerschon Yabusele, Boston’s No. 16 overall pick this past June, recently joined him in the frontcourt, and guard Demetrius Jackson has also played much of his rookie season with the Claws.

For Fort Wayne, the NBA talent comes in the form of veteran Tyler Hansbrough, who has been a double-double machine since joining the Mad Ants last month. The veteran squad also features NBA vets Marquis Teague and Travis Leslie in the backcourt as well as intriguing rookie Ben Bentil.

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NBA D-League Playoffs 2017 Full Schedule
http://dleague.nba.com/news/playoffs-2017-schedule/

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Post#1176 » by Dogen » Tue Apr 4, 2017 11:27 pm

Ben Bentil and Psycho T sightings tonight. Gonna be a battle!
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Re: Draftees 2016 – Brown, Yabusele, Žižić, Jackson, Nader – (Red Claws Post Season) 

Post#1177 » by Homerclease » Tue Apr 4, 2017 11:27 pm

Yabs 1/2 for 2 points after 1 quarter, got his basket on an offensive rebound and putback. Missed a 3 pointer and had a couple turnovers. Defense hasn't been good, Georges Niang drove by him easily for 2, Hansborough schooled him in the post and he's been late to close out on drives twice allowing layups. On top of that on one of his turnovers off a failed entry pass he allowed the scrub to blow right by him in transition for an easy layup without even a contest. Mixed bag so far but a lot of basketball left. Red claws down 3 after a quarter
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Post#1178 » by Parliament10 » Tue Apr 4, 2017 11:38 pm

Nader, with 14 points.
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Post#1179 » by Homerclease » Tue Apr 4, 2017 11:40 pm

Parliament10 wrote:Nader, with 14 points.

Nader is balling out there, has a couple steals and a couple dimes as well
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Post#1180 » by Parliament10 » Wed Apr 5, 2017 12:20 am

Claws need to take the game over, and put the Mad Ants away.
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