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Re: Mavericks 2017 Draft 

Post#421 » by Texas Chuck » Wed Apr 5, 2017 3:55 am

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Pinkyring wrote:We need everything so it should be bpa, i dont see us being set at any position, even barnes and noel are both role players so if we can get better at either of those positions im fine. Please no big white guys, i can't remember the last white big that went to college in america was an all star, larry bird, thats about it for a while


Brad Miller was one. :lol:

If brad miller is the best we can do we need to trade out


Kevin Love, anyone?
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Re: Mavericks 2017 Draft 

Post#422 » by Mr B » Wed Apr 5, 2017 4:09 am

Pointguard01 wrote:We simply need to get a top 10 pick. I've said it before but there is a huge drop off between 10 and 11 (vs 7 to 8). I believe we are #9 now, but easily could fall to #10 with some wins in the last week. We also could get as high as 6 with some help from Minnesota, Sacramento, & New York (though I'm not optimistic).

TOP 4
Markelle Fultz
Lonzo Ball
Josh Jackson
Jayson Tatum

TOP 7
Malik Monk
De'Aaron Fox
Dennis Smith

TOP 10
Lauri Markkanen
Jonathan Issac
Frank Ntilikina

I'm not personally a fan of any of the last bucket, and would love for Dallas to get into the top 7 (sans Malik Monk; he makes no sense for Dallas with Seth Curry and I don't see him being a great NBA player).


They should end up with a pick between 8-10. I would not be surprised if they find a way to trade up into the 5-7 range though. They desperately need a young PG that could develop into an All Star caliber player. That would give them a balanced roster for years to come.
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Re: Mavericks 2017 Draft 

Post#423 » by Pinkyring » Wed Apr 5, 2017 11:37 am

Texas Chuck wrote:
Pinkyring wrote:
Jinra wrote:
Brad Miller was one. :lol:

If brad miller is the best we can do we need to trade out


Kevin Love, anyone?

No argument there
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Re: Mavericks 2017 Draft 

Post#424 » by Devassa » Wed Apr 5, 2017 12:31 pm

Read on Twitter


Does this pretty much assure we will draft Smith (if available) or Ntilikina?
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Post#425 » by dirkforpres » Wed Apr 5, 2017 2:02 pm

Devassa wrote:
Read on Twitter


Does this pretty much assure we will draft Smith (if available) or Ntilikina?


Give me Fox or Isaac over either of those 2 if available... Even through trade
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Re: Mavericks 2017 Draft 

Post#426 » by Jinra » Wed Apr 5, 2017 2:50 pm

dirkforpres wrote:
Devassa wrote:
Read on Twitter


Does this pretty much assure we will draft Smith (if available) or Ntilikina?


Give me Fox or Isaac over either of those 2 if available... Even through trade


I would go Fox, Smith, Issac, Ntilikina then Markkanen - in that order.
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Re: Mavericks 2017 Draft 

Post#427 » by Teffer10 » Wed Apr 5, 2017 4:08 pm

Jinra wrote:
dirkforpres wrote:
Devassa wrote:
Read on Twitter


Does this pretty much assure we will draft Smith (if available) or Ntilikina?


Give me Fox or Isaac over either of those 2 if available... Even through trade


I would go Fox, Smith, Issac, Ntilikina then Markkanen - in that order.

I'm beginning to think it might be Smith, Fox, Ntilikina, trade pick for PG like Bledsoe.
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Re: Mavericks 2017 Draft 

Post#428 » by Jinra » Wed Apr 5, 2017 4:15 pm

Teffer10 wrote:
Jinra wrote:
dirkforpres wrote:
Give me Fox or Isaac over either of those 2 if available... Even through trade


I would go Fox, Smith, Issac, Ntilikina then Markkanen - in that order.

I'm beginning to think it might be Smith, Fox, Ntilikina, trade pick for PG like Bledsoe.


I would be fine with that. :rock:
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Re: Mavericks 2017 Draft 

Post#429 » by dirkforpres » Wed Apr 5, 2017 4:29 pm

Teffer10 wrote:
Jinra wrote:
dirkforpres wrote:
Give me Fox or Isaac over either of those 2 if available... Even through trade


I would go Fox, Smith, Issac, Ntilikina then Markkanen - in that order.

I'm beginning to think it might be Smith, Fox, Ntilikina, trade pick for PG like Bledsoe.


If Fox, Smith, or Isaac arent available, I would trade the pick for Bledsoe. He's a superb talent when he plays plus him and Noel coming off the pick and roll would be a thing of beauty.
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Re: Mavericks 2017 Draft 

Post#430 » by Lord Cuban » Wed Apr 5, 2017 4:57 pm

dirkforpres wrote:
Teffer10 wrote:
Jinra wrote:
I would go Fox, Smith, Issac, Ntilikina then Markkanen - in that order.

I'm beginning to think it might be Smith, Fox, Ntilikina, trade pick for PG like Bledsoe.


If Fox, Smith, or Isaac arent available, I would trade the pick for Bledsoe. He's a superb talent when he plays plus him and Noel coming off the pick and roll would be a thing of beauty.


I wouldn't trade the pick....
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Re: Mavericks 2017 Draft 

Post#431 » by daoneandonly » Wed Apr 5, 2017 5:15 pm

Broken record but I really only see the top 3 as legit potential cornerstone players: Ball, Josh Jackson, and Fultz. Tatum, Issac, Fox and the alike could be decent, but not build your team around players, and Nkittia, Monk, and Markkanen will be 100% I have no doubt about it, busts.
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Re: Mavericks 2017 Draft 

Post#432 » by dirkforpres » Wed Apr 5, 2017 5:40 pm

daoneandonly wrote:Broken record but I really only see the top 3 as legit potential cornerstone players: Ball, Josh Jackson, and Fultz. Tatum, Issac, Fox and the alike could be decent, but not build your team around players, and Nkittia, Monk, and Markkanen will be 100% I have no doubt about it, busts.


That's typically the consensus with any draft:

Top 3 are supposed to be future faces of the franchise
4-10 are where you hope or expect multiple all star appearances
11-60 are the role players, overseas investments, trade bait
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Re: Mavericks 2017 Draft 

Post#433 » by daoneandonly » Wed Apr 5, 2017 6:07 pm

dirkforpres wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:Broken record but I really only see the top 3 as legit potential cornerstone players: Ball, Josh Jackson, and Fultz. Tatum, Issac, Fox and the alike could be decent, but not build your team around players, and Nkittia, Monk, and Markkanen will be 100% I have no doubt about it, busts.


That's typically the consensus with any draft:

Top 3 are supposed to be future faces of the franchise
4-10 are where you hope or expect multiple all star appearances
11-60 are the role players, overseas investments, trade bait


Yea but I'm in the camp that believes the 4-10 this year won't be multiple time all stars, but simply solid players who may get an all star nod here and there, probably as injury replacements.
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Re: Mavericks 2017 Draft 

Post#434 » by dirkforpres » Wed Apr 5, 2017 6:18 pm

daoneandonly wrote:
dirkforpres wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:Broken record but I really only see the top 3 as legit potential cornerstone players: Ball, Josh Jackson, and Fultz. Tatum, Issac, Fox and the alike could be decent, but not build your team around players, and Nkittia, Monk, and Markkanen will be 100% I have no doubt about it, busts.


That's typically the consensus with any draft:

Top 3 are supposed to be future faces of the franchise
4-10 are where you hope or expect multiple all star appearances
11-60 are the role players, overseas investments, trade bait


Yea but I'm in the camp that believes the 4-10 this year won't be multiple time all stars, but simply solid players who may get an all star nod here and there, probably as injury replacements.


There's really no way of knowing. Most of the prospects look like solid players, but then again so did the draft in 2014 and that hasn't proven to be the case yet. I think wherever we end up, whoever is selected will be presented with ample opportunities to contribute right away (especially at PG) so that should give them an excellent advantage as far as being able to learn on the fly.

I do hope we trade the pick for Bledsoe though if given the chance... Seems like a good deal for both teams given where they are
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Re: Mavericks 2017 Draft 

Post#435 » by daoneandonly » Wed Apr 5, 2017 6:22 pm

dirkforpres wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:
dirkforpres wrote:
That's typically the consensus with any draft:

Top 3 are supposed to be future faces of the franchise
4-10 are where you hope or expect multiple all star appearances
11-60 are the role players, overseas investments, trade bait


Yea but I'm in the camp that believes the 4-10 this year won't be multiple time all stars, but simply solid players who may get an all star nod here and there, probably as injury replacements.


There's really no way of knowing. Most of the prospects look like solid players, but then again so did the draft in 2014 and that hasn't proven to be the case yet. I think wherever we end up, whoever is selected will be presented with ample opportunities to contribute right away (especially at PG) so that should give them an excellent advantage as far as being able to learn on the fly.

I do hope we trade the pick for Bledsoe though if given the chance... Seems like a good deal for both teams given where they are


Well it's a risk for us given his injury history, and I'd think the last thing the Suns need is even more youth.
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Re: Mavericks 2017 Draft 

Post#436 » by dirkforpres » Wed Apr 5, 2017 6:38 pm

daoneandonly wrote:
dirkforpres wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:
Yea but I'm in the camp that believes the 4-10 this year won't be multiple time all stars, but simply solid players who may get an all star nod here and there, probably as injury replacements.


There's really no way of knowing. Most of the prospects look like solid players, but then again so did the draft in 2014 and that hasn't proven to be the case yet. I think wherever we end up, whoever is selected will be presented with ample opportunities to contribute right away (especially at PG) so that should give them an excellent advantage as far as being able to learn on the fly.

I do hope we trade the pick for Bledsoe though if given the chance... Seems like a good deal for both teams given where they are


Well it's a risk for us given his injury history, and I'd think the last thing the Suns need is even more youth.


It's not so much that they want to get rid of him as it is them not really needing him. They have a talented PG without him and plenty of young talented pieces to build with (Ulis, Booker, Len, Chriss, plus whoever they draft). Getting out from Bledsoes contract while gaining more assets for the future is a good deal for them... Bledsoe's injury troubles worry me, but no more than Noel's history does. If we can get all parts working and moving then that is a dangerous core
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Re: Mavericks 2017 Draft 

Post#437 » by No-Man » Thu Apr 6, 2017 8:56 am

If all the Guards go before 9th, which is possible, I think they trade the pick, maybe for Bledsoe, maybe something like Powell and Devin, for salary purposes, plus 9th for Eric, I think Phoenix would do that.
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Post#438 » by dirkforpres » Thu Apr 6, 2017 2:04 pm

Fischella wrote:If all the Guards go before 9th, which is possible, I think they trade the pick, maybe for Bledsoe, maybe something like Powell and Devin, for salary purposes, plus 9th for Eric, I think Phoenix would do that.


Wouldn't surprise me if they tried to throw Tyson Chandler in the deal. I'd be cool with another reunion though
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Re: Mavericks 2017 Draft 

Post#439 » by Texas Chuck » Thu Apr 6, 2017 2:39 pm

dirkforpres wrote:
Fischella wrote:If all the Guards go before 9th, which is possible, I think they trade the pick, maybe for Bledsoe, maybe something like Powell and Devin, for salary purposes, plus 9th for Eric, I think Phoenix would do that.


Wouldn't surprise me if they tried to throw Tyson Chandler in the deal. I'd be cool with another reunion though


I think the fact that Rick wants Dirk playing center much of the time makes that very difficult. Even without that, is Tyson going to be okay with getting only the center minutes Noel leaves behind?

To me the easier solution would be to pull Powell out of the deal and just take Bledsoe into cap space with the deal being agreed to at the draft and completed post-July 1st when Dallas can create the cap space.
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Re: Mavericks 2017 Draft 

Post#440 » by dirkforpres » Thu Apr 6, 2017 2:48 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:
dirkforpres wrote:
Fischella wrote:If all the Guards go before 9th, which is possible, I think they trade the pick, maybe for Bledsoe, maybe something like Powell and Devin, for salary purposes, plus 9th for Eric, I think Phoenix would do that.


Wouldn't surprise me if they tried to throw Tyson Chandler in the deal. I'd be cool with another reunion though


I think the fact that Rick wants Dirk playing center much of the time makes that very difficult. Even without that, is Tyson going to be okay with getting only the center minutes Noel leaves behind?


Probably more so than he is right now getting DNP-CDs every night behind Len and Williams.... Plus he is beloved here so there's that as well (if it means anything to him). I'm sure 40 year old Dirk would be happy to shave a few of his MPG at C to have Tyson get a decent amount of work in too.

Only obstacle I think we would have is if Tyson really even wants to be here after the front office nixed him twice in contract negotiations.

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