PG Thread (OKC) - National TV huh? Welp cya later!

[BucksPackers]

I feel like Middleton is a fine number 2 when healthy and on his game. He shouldn't be a number 1 option though. He's a safety valve type there to take pressure off Giannis when his game inevitably get grounds to a halt against Stronger D's. Ideally, Giannis isn't a number 1 option either though which is why it's sad that Jabari broke himself again. He wasn't there yet but I thought he had the best shot at being a True lead scorer. Blah blah blah defense blah blah never gonna be anything blah blah eat a dick

We lost games because of our defense. Ya it wasn't all his fault but he wasn't helping our situation. I'd take Parker back trust me. When our defense is on it creates so many easy baskets for our offense and truthfully I think we win and lose from how our defense performs and has nothing to do with our offense. Meaning if we are playing good defense it sparks our offense. If we are doing well on offense it does nothing to help our defense. Making defense more important.

[Bucksfan28]

Bucks gonna Buck. OKC's pace/Abrines overwhelmed them and looked like apathy kicked in.

[jute2003]

I feel like Middleton is a fine number 2 when healthy and on his game. He shouldn't be a number 1 option though. He's a safety valve type there to take pressure off Giannis when his game inevitably get grounds to a halt against Stronger D's. Ideally, Giannis isn't a number 1 option either though which is why it's sad that Jabari broke himself again. He wasn't there yet but I thought he had the best shot at being a True lead scorer. Blah blah blah defense blah blah never gonna be anything blah blah eat a dick

We lost games because of our defense. Ya it wasn't all his fault but he wasn't helping our situation. I'd take Parker back trust me. When our defense is on it creates so many easy baskets for our offense and truthfully I think we win and lose from how our defense performs and has nothing to do with our offense. Meaning if we are playing good defense it sparks our offense. If we are doing well on offense it does nothing to help our defense. Making defense more important.

[FlagsFlyForever]

If the 2% chance happens and we miss the playoffs, any chance Kidd is fired or has March already saved him? What if we miss by losing every remaining game by 30?

If we lose every remaining game by 30 then there is something going on and yes I think Kidd gets fired.

[BucksPackers]

I feel like Middleton is a fine number 2 when healthy and on his game. He shouldn't be a number 1 option though. He's a safety valve type there to take pressure off Giannis when his game inevitably get grounds to a halt against Stronger D's. Ideally, Giannis isn't a number 1 option either though which is why it's sad that Jabari broke himself again. He wasn't there yet but I thought he had the best shot at being a True lead scorer. Blah blah blah defense blah blah never gonna be anything blah blah eat a dick

We lost games because of our defense. Ya it wasn't all his fault but he wasn't helping our situation. I'd take Parker back trust me. When our defense is on it creates so many easy baskets for our offense and truthfully I think we win and lose from how our defense performs and has nothing to do with our offense. Meaning if we are playing good defense it sparks our offense. If we are doing well on offense it does nothing to help our defense. Making defense more important.

[Ron Swanson]

The only thing this really exposes is that we need another elite option on offense. Which is why everyone was so excited for a healthy trio of Middleton/Parker/Giannis. We just don't have enough offensive talent to overcome other upper-tier teams as is.

The Brewhoop guys have been talking about this on the podcasts lately. Our point differential is actually worse since Middleton came back. The defense hasn't been better as much as the offense has scored timely buckets in the 4th quarter. Some of it's luck, some of it is execution. Right now, it's not having any offensive firepower outside of Giannis when Middleton is shooting like hot trash.

[jute2003]

We lost games because of our defense. Ya it wasn't all his fault but he wasn't helping our situation. I'd take Parker back trust me. When our defense is on it creates so many easy baskets for our offense and truthfully I think we win and lose from how our defense performs and has nothing to do with our offense. Meaning if we are playing good defense it sparks our offense. If we are doing well on offense it does nothing to help our defense. Making defense more important.

You're dense

[HurricaneKid]

Anyone else stop watching in the 2nd quarter when their bench buried us and feel great about the decision?

I took a break at halftime and decided to watch something else. You may have beaten me by a few minutes.

Really disappointed in the level of play. Usually they really show up for Nationally televised games.

Giannis and Midz need rest. Brogdon needs rest. Not good going into the playoffs.

[har13]

Ok,i watch many Nba games,not only the Bucks,this leauge is full of players who can shoot 3s off the dribble,we are the only one without ,actually only Khris can do that but i don't know why he is not doing it,one reason is for sure Kidd.
I watched the Kings yesterday,not a great team for sure but still..their bigs were setting great screens and their guards were taking advantage off with good jumpers and 3s,why i must watch all the time someone trying to find Monroe,why i need to see Giannis hesitate all the time.why we need Snell?

Bring Teodosic or De colo,i don't care if you watched him and you believe he is not good,now he is a much better player ,don't tell me they are playing in Europe,Snell in Europe still cannot pass or dribble the ball,both are twice the players Snell is,we need players who can create,who can shoot off the dribble.,players who can score a difficult basket when we need it

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Teodosic-Brogdon-Khris-Giannis are perfect together,a good atcletic big is what they need,you can call him Thon or what ever.Giannis must run the offence after the reb and try to attack the basket or find one of them open,if he can't he must pass the ball to Brogdon ,Teodosic or Khris and move his ass close to the basket,if you are open they would find you if not they can take the shot and make the basket.

**** the iso with Monroe basketball.

[MilHammer]

Middleton's legs are completely dead right now - Just sit him until the playoffs

His decision making is the problem too. Making everything more difficult than it needs to be.


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This is still why I dont see Midds being #2 on an elite team. When he's on his game, he is that guy. But hes streaky and hes been like this since before the injury. We still need someone who can help shoulder the offensive load. Like Klay, this team needs ball movement and guys who force defensive players to rotate, giving Klay space to hit 3s and to cut. Without Brog, were getting no penetration, no movement and inevitably Midds is forced to jack up a fadeaway 2 or contested 3. Not a knock on him, and I recognize he's still trying to get into shape, but we desperately need more offensive talent.


Until then, we will continue to be inconsistent, since our offense is more dependent on matchups, luck and effort instead of overwhelming talent.

[M-C-G]

Ok,i watch many Nba games,not only the Bucks,this leauge is full of players who can shoot 3s off the dribble,we are the only one without ,actually only Khris can do that but i don't know why he is not doing it,one reason is for sure Kidd.
I watched the Kings yesterday,not a great team for sure but still..their bigs were setting great screens and their guards were taking advantage off with good jumpers and 3s,why i must watch all the time someone trying to find Monroe,why i need to see Giannis hesitate all the time.why we need Snell?

Bring Teodosic or De colo,i don't care if you watched him and you believe he is not good,now he is a much better player ,don't tell me they are playing in Europe,Snell in Europe still cannot pass or dribble the ball,both are twice the players Snell is,we need players who can create,who can shoot off the dribble.,players who can score a difficult basket when we need it

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

Teodosic-Brogdon-Khris-Giannis are perfect together,a good atcletic big is what they need,you can call him Thon or what ever.Giannis must run the offence after the reb and try to attack the basket or find one of them open,if he can't he must pass the ball to Brogdon ,Teodosic or Khris and move his ass close to the basket,if you are open they would find you if not they can take the shot and make the basket.

**** the iso with Monroe basketball.

I don't follow euro basketball at all really, but if I was a GM, I would CONSTANTLY be filling my roster out with international players. They are like draft picks that you don't have to develop and generally come over on a very fair contacts. Some will not outproduce their pay, but I think more often than not they will if you did your homework on the right guys.

[freewhitemoon]

https://cleaningtheglass.com/do-the-bucks-stop-here/

this is an awesome article on our defense btw

[har13]

I don't follow euro basketball at all really, but if I was a GM, I would CONSTANTLY be filling my roster out with international players. They are like draft picks that you don't have to develop and generally come over on a very fair contacts. Some will not outproduce their pay, but I think more often than not they will if you did your homework on the right guys.

Its not only that M-C-G for me,my problem is the basketball we are playing,i don't like it,we need creators,we need players who can shoot off the dribble,we don't need Snell,we don't need Monroe,even Giannis if he can't shoot he must pass the ball and get his ass to the basket,its Kidd fault for sure,he dosn't like 3s..well this is how you play basketball this days and for sure you can't win anything with Monroe as a C,nothing..

[crkone]

https://cleaningtheglass.com/do-the-bucks-stop-here/

this is an awesome article on our defense btw

Thanks. Pretty much comes down to this quote:

The last example in the coaching breakdown, of Spoelstra’s change of the Heat’s defensive style, illustrates something that shouldn’t be overlooked. The Heat played one style of defense when they were small with LeBron and Bosh, and another now that they have Whiteside. Style of defense, like any scheme, is inextricably tied to personnel. Pop had Duncan; Jeff Van Gundy and Adelman had Yao; Thibs had KG and Noah; Stan had Shaq, Dwight and Drummond; Riley in Miami had Zo. The roster absolutely matters. A Bucks team that wants to play with Giannis and Jabari Parker at the forward positions might not be able to build a wall in the paint the same way a team with more traditional big men might, and could be better suited for a style of defense based on length and activity. It’s entirely possible that, as currently constituted, this defense is optimal for Milwaukee.

[msiris]

Middleton's legs are completely dead right now - Just sit him until the playoffs

His decision making is the problem too. Making everything more difficult than it needs to be.


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This is still why I dont see Midds being #2 on an elite team. When he's on his game, he is that guy. But hes streaky and hes been like this since before the injury. We still need someone who can help shoulder the offensive load. Like Klay, this team needs ball movement and guys who force defensive players to rotate, giving Klay space to hit 3s and to cut. Without Brog, were getting no penetration, no movement and inevitably Midds is forced to jack up a fadeaway 2 or contested 3. Not a knock on him, and I recognize he's still trying to get into shape, but we desperately need more offensive talent.


Until then, we will continue to be inconsistent, since our offense is more dependent on matchups, luck and effort instead of overwhelming talent.

I have been saying this for awhile. He has been streaky for sure. I am fine with him being the third guy. Giannis should the one starting things most the time. Not Midds.

[freewhitemoon]

https://cleaningtheglass.com/do-the-bucks-stop-here/

this is an awesome article on our defense btw

Thanks. Pretty much comes down to this quote:

The last example in the coaching breakdown, of Spoelstra’s change of the Heat’s defensive style, illustrates something that shouldn’t be overlooked. The Heat played one style of defense when they were small with LeBron and Bosh, and another now that they have Whiteside. Style of defense, like any scheme, is inextricably tied to personnel. Pop had Duncan; Jeff Van Gundy and Adelman had Yao; Thibs had KG and Noah; Stan had Shaq, Dwight and Drummond; Riley in Miami had Zo. The roster absolutely matters. A Bucks team that wants to play with Giannis and Jabari Parker at the forward positions might not be able to build a wall in the paint the same way a team with more traditional big men might, and could be better suited for a style of defense based on length and activity. It’s entirely possible that, as currently constituted, this defense is optimal for Milwaukee.

Not really, that was more of an afterthought

[crkone]

https://cleaningtheglass.com/do-the-bucks-stop-here/

this is an awesome article on our defense btw

Thanks. Pretty much comes down to this quote:

The last example in the coaching breakdown, of Spoelstra’s change of the Heat’s defensive style, illustrates something that shouldn’t be overlooked. The Heat played one style of defense when they were small with LeBron and Bosh, and another now that they have Whiteside. Style of defense, like any scheme, is inextricably tied to personnel. Pop had Duncan; Jeff Van Gundy and Adelman had Yao; Thibs had KG and Noah; Stan had Shaq, Dwight and Drummond; Riley in Miami had Zo. The roster absolutely matters. A Bucks team that wants to play with Giannis and Jabari Parker at the forward positions might not be able to build a wall in the paint the same way a team with more traditional big men might, and could be better suited for a style of defense based on length and activity. It’s entirely possible that, as currently constituted, this defense is optimal for Milwaukee.

Not really, that was more of an afterthought

And it was the best thought in the entire essay. Bucks are hamstrung by having Henson as their best C defender and having to give huge minutes to Parker.

[freewhitemoon]

Thanks. Pretty much comes down to this quote:

Not really, that was more of an afterthought

And it was the best thought in the entire essay. Bucks are hamstrung by having Henson as their best C defender and having to give huge minutes to Parker.

I thought his details into how little margin of error our defensive schemes allow was the best part personally.

Defense has not been any better without Parker. And I'll disagree that 20th in the league is the best we could've managed with this group.

[crkone]

Not really, that was more of an afterthought

And it was the best thought in the entire essay. Bucks are hamstrung by having Henson as their best C defender and having to give huge minutes to Parker.

I thought his details into how little margin of error our defensive schemes allow was the best part personally.

Defense has not been any better without Parker. And I'll disagree that 20th in the league is the best we could've managed with this group.

The defense gets beaten before the scheme begins. PnRs where the Bucks don't double the ball handler and just do a simple hedge is massively difficult for all bigs and most smalls involved except for Henson a few times a year. Bucks also can't guard dribble penetration for the life of them. Every important player is tall for their position except maybe Middleton when Snell's at SG and get beaten easily off the dribble. They have to put Delly on SGs and SFs cause he can't stop PGs. The defense is trying to minimize the issues from having poor on ball defenders and terrible help defenders. Making these players guard without help on penetration will lead to even more points in the paint and many more pull up jumpers.

[M-C-G]

And it was the best thought in the entire essay. Bucks are hamstrung by having Henson as their best C defender and having to give huge minutes to Parker.

I thought his details into how little margin of error our defensive schemes allow was the best part personally.

Defense has not been any better without Parker. And I'll disagree that 20th in the league is the best we could've managed with this group.

The defense gets beaten before the scheme begins. PnRs where the Bucks don't double the ball handler and just do a simple hedge is massively difficult for all bigs and most smalls involved except for Henson a few times a year. Bucks also can't guard dribble penetration for the life of them. Every important player is tall for their position except maybe Middleton when Snell's at SG and get beaten easily off the dribble. They have to put Delly on SGs and SFs cause he can't stop PGs. The defense is trying to minimize the issues from having poor on ball defenders and terrible help defenders. Making these players guard without help on penetration will lead to even more points in the paint and many more pull up jumpers.

I think you have been very consistent in this messaging and while at one point I didn't agree that was our biggest problem, given all the changes in our roster and minutes, that problem seems to remain and the defense is as bad as ever. I think I will concede you appear to be right on this one.


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