NBA 2017 Draft Prospects Thread

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Maybe I missed it if discussed but after striking gold with gobert why not go back for more?

the other skinny big kid? or Alpha?

Jeanne is very unique. Having him play close to gobert in the d league next year would be great for him.

If favs is on the move then a look at swanigan and lessort makes sense.

Jeanne could be a back up stretch 5 or best case scenario he could play next to gobert down the road. If you have Exum at the one that's a feakishly long team.

Jeanne has a very intriguing skillset for his size, but he seems extremely slim and I'm not sure his frame is great for gaining weight/strength. I definitely wouldn't mind picking him at 30.

[pickIBL]

the other skinny big kid? or Alpha?

Jeanne is very unique. Having him play close to gobert in the d league next year would be great for him.

If favs is on the move then a look at swanigan and lessort makes sense.

Jeanne could be a back up stretch 5 or best case scenario he could play next to gobert down the road. If you have Exum at the one that's a feakishly long team.

Jeanne has a very intriguing skillset for his size, but he seems extremely slim and I'm not sure his frame is great for gaining weight/strength. I definitely wouldn't mind picking him at 30.

Take a look at a before and after of ajinca.

[Daddy 801]

I'm not even sure skinny really matters in today's NBA. As long as the persons body can hold up.

[zero24gravity]

Since this upcoming summer is our first draft since us JazzNation refugees came here, I figured I'd give a recap of where my head was at in previous drafts, based on where the Jazz were drafting. I feel pretty good about my track record & will dive into this year's prospects pretty soon.

2010 - Hassan Whiteside (at the time, I wanted a trade to use a late 1st round pick on Hassan)
2011 - Brandon Knight (actually wanted to trade down or out of the draft) & Jordan Hamilton
2012 - Harrison Barnes
2013 - Shane Larkin (sorta, cause we needed a PG), G. Rice Jr. in the 2nd round
2014 - Dante Exum (really wanted Wiggins!), Rodney Hood, KJ McDaniels
2015 - Devin Booker
2016 - Thon Maker (thought we could trade down and still get him... but he ended up getting drafted way higher than expected)

I don't remember exactly who I wanted before 2010, but I do recall wanting Boozer with the Jazz's late round 2002 pick. Not sure if that was a good or bad thing.

[Daddy 801]

Since this upcoming summer is our first draft since us JazzNation refugees came here, I figured I'd give a recap of where my head was at in previous drafts, based on where the Jazz were drafting. I feel pretty good about my track record & will dive into this year's prospects pretty soon.

2010 - Hassan Whiteside (at the time, I wanted a trade to use a late 1st round pick on Hassan)
2011 - Brandon Knight (actually wanted to trade down or out of the draft) & Jordan Hamilton
2012 - Harrison Barnes
2013 - Shane Larkin (sorta, cause we needed a PG), G. Rice Jr. in the 2nd round
2014 - Dante Exum (really wanted Wiggins!), Rodney Hood, KJ McDaniels
2015 - Devin Booker
2016 - Thon Maker (thought we could trade down and still get him... but he ended up getting drafted way higher than expected)

I don't remember exactly who I wanted before 2010, but I do recall wanting Boozer with the Jazz's late round 2002 pick. Not sure if that was a good or bad thing.

I've always thought it would be cool to have a running system of who each person wanted timestamped attached to their name in a draft thread.

[UTJazzFan_Echo1]

Hartenstein is a Cousins clone? Really? His attitude is that bad?

No, it's not nearly that bad. The kid is competitive and gets fired up. Fine by me. He has a high desire to be great. Super young and needs a good situation to develop in.

Admittedly I haven't watched him as much as Cousins, but in both games I saw he was every bit as whiney, pouty, tantrum throwing of a cry baby that Cousins is. He also does the exact thing that Cousins does when he doesn't get his own on offense - don't go back on D. There was one case where he didn't get to finish an offensive possession and got pissed at his teammates and on purpose stopped playing D the next possession and gave up a walk in layup. Maybe I caught him in two consecutive bad games when it comes to his attitude but I somehow doubt it. BTW DX has the exact same concerns about him in their write up about him:

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/2016-FIBA-U18-European-Championship-Scouting-Reports-Big-Men-5766/

Weaknesses: -Very reactive to his mistakes. Blames teammates outwardly. Taunts opponents. Body language goes south as soon as adversity strikes. Has a short fuse that he'll need to get a better handle on - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Isaiah-Hartenstein-81574/ ©DraftExpress

I don't disagree that he has some problems in that department, I just don't think he's anywhere near the Cousins level. If you listen to his interviews, you get a much different vibe from him. Plus, he's so young. I really believe if he went to a good organization, he'd be just fine.

[BringtheD]

Jeanne is very unique. Having him play close to gobert in the d league next year would be great for him.

If favs is on the move then a look at swanigan and lessort makes sense.

Jeanne could be a back up stretch 5 or best case scenario he could play next to gobert down the road. If you have Exum at the one that's a feakishly long team.

Jeanne has a very intriguing skillset for his size, but he seems extremely slim and I'm not sure his frame is great for gaining weight/strength. I definitely wouldn't mind picking him at 30.

Take a look at a before and after of ajinca.

Gotta admit that made me laugh, ajincas frame would break from the stress of anymore muscle mass. Is jeanne built like ajinca or gobert. Rudy is what u want to see for a before and after comparison. Is jeanne rudy or is he ajinca, because someone like ajinca isnt worth spending a first round pick on.

[UTJazzFan_Echo1]

Jeanne has a very intriguing skillset for his size, but he seems extremely slim and I'm not sure his frame is great for gaining weight/strength. I definitely wouldn't mind picking him at 30.

Take a look at a before and after of ajinca.

Gotta admit that made me laugh, ajincas frame would break from the stress of anymore muscle mass. Is jeanne built like ajinca or gobert. Rudy is what u want to see for a before and after comparison. Is jeanne rudy or is he ajinca, because someone like ajinca isnt worth spending a first round pick on.

Jeanne is definitely more Ajinca than Gobert. People don't realize how good of a frame Gobert had coming into the league. Totally different frame than a guy like Jeanne.

I'm not nearly as high on Jeanne as others are. His frame is just waaaaay too skinny. He has an Igram type frame. I just don't see how he's going to add much, if any strength to his frame, and that will be a huge problem for him. I wouldn't take him until the 2nd round. There's going to be plenty of safer prospects on the board late in the 1st round.

[BringtheD]

Since this upcoming summer is our first draft since us JazzNation refugees came here, I figured I'd give a recap of where my head was at in previous drafts, based on where the Jazz were drafting. I feel pretty good about my track record & will dive into this year's prospects pretty soon.

2010 - Hassan Whiteside (at the time, I wanted a trade to use a late 1st round pick on Hassan)
2011 - Brandon Knight (actually wanted to trade down or out of the draft) & Jordan Hamilton
2012 - Harrison Barnes
2013 - Shane Larkin (sorta, cause we needed a PG), G. Rice Jr. in the 2nd round
2014 - Dante Exum (really wanted Wiggins!), Rodney Hood, KJ McDaniels
2015 - Devin Booker
2016 - Thon Maker (thought we could trade down and still get him... but he ended up getting drafted way higher than expected)

I don't remember exactly who I wanted before 2010, but I do recall wanting Boozer with the Jazz's late round 2002 pick. Not sure if that was a good or bad thing.

I've always thought it would be cool to have a running system of who each person wanted timestamped attached to their name in a draft thread.

I dont know how we could run a contest that could take years. I probably wont be able to stop myself from scouting the prospects in our range. I bet the winner here beats what lindsey does.

[Daddy 801]

Since this upcoming summer is our first draft since us JazzNation refugees came here, I figured I'd give a recap of where my head was at in previous drafts, based on where the Jazz were drafting. I feel pretty good about my track record & will dive into this year's prospects pretty soon.

2010 - Hassan Whiteside (at the time, I wanted a trade to use a late 1st round pick on Hassan)
2011 - Brandon Knight (actually wanted to trade down or out of the draft) & Jordan Hamilton
2012 - Harrison Barnes
2013 - Shane Larkin (sorta, cause we needed a PG), G. Rice Jr. in the 2nd round
2014 - Dante Exum (really wanted Wiggins!), Rodney Hood, KJ McDaniels
2015 - Devin Booker
2016 - Thon Maker (thought we could trade down and still get him... but he ended up getting drafted way higher than expected)

I don't remember exactly who I wanted before 2010, but I do recall wanting Boozer with the Jazz's late round 2002 pick. Not sure if that was a good or bad thing.

I've always thought it would be cool to have a running system of who each person wanted timestamped attached to their name in a draft thread.

I dont know how we could run a contest that could take years. I probably wont be able to stop myself from scouting the prospects in our range. I bet the winner here beats what lindsey does.

I don't want it to be a contest. I just want a thread where instead of having the quotes everyone has at the bottom it changes to their draft picks from those years. Probably a pipe dream. It would just be cool to see what people were thinking those years.

[BringtheD]

I've always thought it would be cool to have a running system of who each person wanted timestamped attached to their name in a draft thread.

I dont know how we could run a contest that could take years. I probably wont be able to stop myself from scouting the prospects in our range. I bet the winner here beats what lindsey does.

I don't want it to be a contest. I just want a thread where instead of having the quotes everyone has at the bottom it changes to their draft picks from those years. Probably a pipe dream. It would just be cool to see what people were thinking those years.

Ya, it was pointless to do any scouting last year. The years before that my bpa was booker, and the best strecth 4 was portis. I think I got both those right. I did some serious scouting that year. The year before that we drafted exum, I didnt have a problem w that, I thought we would take gordon but I was happy about exum I was hoping that the people betting on his franchis potential were right. I dont know what he is yet. The year before that. I woulda drafted kanter I was happy there but that was pre lindsey. Ive kinda been keeping a tally since lindsey took over, the burks pick scared me to death and hes proven to be a bust. I woulda drafted mcw there, the posters on our board said lindsey made a serious mistake trading those picks in a garbage draft and they were right. At least mcw is better than burks. I had my eyes on schroeder and dieng and that woulda best thing we coulda done if we just kept the picks. Obviously it woulda been genius to have taken mccollum there where we did. Some kind of chalk board where we keep points isnt a bad idea imo, it would be pretty easy to do. Stitches babyjax are really into that kind of thingx so am I. If u want to know someones track record u can ask them im sure they will tell the truth. If not they are rubbish and wont last long round here. I first came here to evaluate talent and id like to keep the tradition going.

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Since this upcoming summer is our first draft since us JazzNation refugees came here, I figured I'd give a recap of where my head was at in previous drafts, based on where the Jazz were drafting. I feel pretty good about my track record & will dive into this year's prospects pretty soon.

2010 - Hassan Whiteside (at the time, I wanted a trade to use a late 1st round pick on Hassan)
2011 - Brandon Knight (actually wanted to trade down or out of the draft) & Jordan Hamilton
2012 - Harrison Barnes
2013 - Shane Larkin (sorta, cause we needed a PG), G. Rice Jr. in the 2nd round
2014 - Dante Exum (really wanted Wiggins!), Rodney Hood, KJ McDaniels
2015 - Devin Booker
2016 - Thon Maker (thought we could trade down and still get him... but he ended up getting drafted way higher than expected)

I don't remember exactly who I wanted before 2010, but I do recall wanting Boozer with the Jazz's late round 2002 pick. Not sure if that was a good or bad thing.

2012: wanted Papanikolaou in the second, I also thought Drummond is underrated but we didn't have a pick in the lottery
2013: wanted Schroeder
2014: wanted Exum, Hood was no. 9 on my board. Didn't know who I was more happy about picking. Was dream draft for me.
2015: Really wanted Myles Turner. He got picked 1 pick before us. After him, I had Oubre the highest on my board if I'm not mistaken. I had about 10 players ahead of Lyles at our pick.
2016: I was higher on both Brown and Skal than most. I was going crazy seeing Skal fall and us not being able to trade back into the first to get him. That will hurt for a while.

[BringtheD]

Since this upcoming summer is our first draft since us JazzNation refugees came here, I figured I'd give a recap of where my head was at in previous drafts, based on where the Jazz were drafting. I feel pretty good about my track record & will dive into this year's prospects pretty soon.

2010 - Hassan Whiteside (at the time, I wanted a trade to use a late 1st round pick on Hassan)
2011 - Brandon Knight (actually wanted to trade down or out of the draft) & Jordan Hamilton
2012 - Harrison Barnes
2013 - Shane Larkin (sorta, cause we needed a PG), G. Rice Jr. in the 2nd round
2014 - Dante Exum (really wanted Wiggins!), Rodney Hood, KJ McDaniels
2015 - Devin Booker
2016 - Thon Maker (thought we could trade down and still get him... but he ended up getting drafted way higher than expected)

I don't remember exactly who I wanted before 2010, but I do recall wanting Boozer with the Jazz's late round 2002 pick. Not sure if that was a good or bad thing.

2012: wanted Papanikolaou in the second, I also thought Drummond is underrated but we didn't have a pick in the lottery
2013: wanted Schroeder
2014: wanted Exum, Hood was no. 9 on my board. Didn't know who I was more happy about picking. Was dream draft for me.
2015: Really wanted Myles Turner. He got picked 1 pick before us. After him, I had Oubre the highest on my board if I'm not mistaken. I had about 10 players ahead of Lyles at our pick.
2016: I was higher on both Brown and Skal than most. I was going crazy seeing Skal fall and us not being able to trade back into the first to get him. That will hurt for a while.

U were right about skal. I totally got behind that. U trashed thon faker. He plays allright. I didnt do much scouting last year, if any. I had watched luwawu and thought he could make it and wouldve been my pick based on the work I had done. I dont think it wouldve been crazy to take skal at our position. The hawks got prince, hes not half bad. My fav song is heroes by bowie. Im going to buy a bowie poster and put it on my walls.

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Since this upcoming summer is our first draft since us JazzNation refugees came here, I figured I'd give a recap of where my head was at in previous drafts, based on where the Jazz were drafting. I feel pretty good about my track record & will dive into this year's prospects pretty soon.

2010 - Hassan Whiteside (at the time, I wanted a trade to use a late 1st round pick on Hassan)
2011 - Brandon Knight (actually wanted to trade down or out of the draft) & Jordan Hamilton
2012 - Harrison Barnes
2013 - Shane Larkin (sorta, cause we needed a PG), G. Rice Jr. in the 2nd round
2014 - Dante Exum (really wanted Wiggins!), Rodney Hood, KJ McDaniels
2015 - Devin Booker
2016 - Thon Maker (thought we could trade down and still get him... but he ended up getting drafted way higher than expected)

I don't remember exactly who I wanted before 2010, but I do recall wanting Boozer with the Jazz's late round 2002 pick. Not sure if that was a good or bad thing.

2012: wanted Papanikolaou in the second, I also thought Drummond is underrated but we didn't have a pick in the lottery
2013: wanted Schroeder
2014: wanted Exum, Hood was no. 9 on my board. Didn't know who I was more happy about picking. Was dream draft for me.
2015: Really wanted Myles Turner. He got picked 1 pick before us. After him, I had Oubre the highest on my board if I'm not mistaken. I had about 10 players ahead of Lyles at our pick.
2016: I was higher on both Brown and Skal than most. I was going crazy seeing Skal fall and us not being able to trade back into the first to get him. That will hurt for a while.

U were right about skal. I totally got behind that. U trashed thon faker. He plays allright. I didnt do much scouting last year, if any. I had watched luwawu and thought he could make it and wouldve been my pick based on the work I had done. I dont think it wouldve been crazy to take skal at our position. The hawks got prince, hes not half bad. My fav song is heroes by bowie. Im going to buy a bowie poster and put it on my walls.

Umh, I actually liked Thon. I think he was around top 10 for me.

Here it is:

My 1 week before the draft big board:

1. Ben Simmons
2. Brandon Ingram
3. Dragan Bender
4. Jaylen Brown
5. Skal Labissiere
6. Jamal Murray
7. Kris Dunn
8. Jokob Poeltl
9. Marquese Chriss
10. Deyonta Davis
11. Thon Maker
12. Buddy Hield
13. Timothe Luwawu
14. Wade Baldwin
15. Furkan Korkmaz
16. Domantas Sabonis
17. Juan Hernangomez
18. Ante Zizic
19. Taurean Prince
20. Malik Beasley
... Dejounte Murray
... Malachi Richardson

Second round stashes - Isaia Cordinier, Georgios Papagiannis, Rade Zagorac

[BringtheD]

2012: wanted Papanikolaou in the second, I also thought Drummond is underrated but we didn't have a pick in the lottery
2013: wanted Schroeder
2014: wanted Exum, Hood was no. 9 on my board. Didn't know who I was more happy about picking. Was dream draft for me.
2015: Really wanted Myles Turner. He got picked 1 pick before us. After him, I had Oubre the highest on my board if I'm not mistaken. I had about 10 players ahead of Lyles at our pick.
2016: I was higher on both Brown and Skal than most. I was going crazy seeing Skal fall and us not being able to trade back into the first to get him. That will hurt for a while.

U were right about skal. I totally got behind that. U trashed thon faker. He plays allright. I didnt do much scouting last year, if any. I had watched luwawu and thought he could make it and wouldve been my pick based on the work I had done. I dont think it wouldve been crazy to take skal at our position. The hawks got prince, hes not half bad. My fav song is heroes by bowie. Im going to buy a bowie poster and put it on my walls.

Umh, I actually liked Thon. I think he was around top 10 for me.

Here it is:

My 1 week before the draft big board:

1. Ben Simmons
2. Brandon Ingram
3. Dragan Bender
4. Jaylen Brown
5. Skal Labissiere
6. Jamal Murray
7. Kris Dunn
8. Jokob Poeltl
9. Marquese Chriss
10. Deyonta Davis
11. Thon Maker
12. Buddy Hield
13. Timothe Luwawu
14. Wade Baldwin
15. Furkan Korkmaz
16. Domantas Sabonis
17. Juan Hernangomez
18. Ante Zizic
19. Taurean Prince
20. Malik Beasley
... Dejounte Murray
... Malachi Richardson

Second round stashes - Isaia Cordinier, Georgios Papagiannis, Rade Zagorac

my bad, u posted that video only 23 after that controversy reared its ugly head. That was pretty funny I thought. This thon faker, u still think hes 23, I do.

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my bad, u posted that video only 23 after that controversy reared its ugly head. That was pretty funny I thought. This thon faker, u still think hes 23, I do.

I don't know what to think about Maker. If he is the age he says he is, I think my ranking is justified. If on the other hand he's 23-24, this significantly lowers his ceiling. He should be relatively close to his peak years going into next year if that's his age. I guess we will see how he develops. If he gets better and better for the next 3-4 years and then keeps a good level for another 5-6 that would mean he probably didn't lie about his age.

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Here are the Nike Hoop Summit World team measurements:

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/2017-nike-hoop-summit-world-select-team-measurements-5854/

[pickIBL]

Take a look at a before and after of ajinca.

Gotta admit that made me laugh, ajincas frame would break from the stress of anymore muscle mass. Is jeanne built like ajinca or gobert. Rudy is what u want to see for a before and after comparison. Is jeanne rudy or is he ajinca, because someone like ajinca isnt worth spending a first round pick on.

Jeanne is definitely more Ajinca than Gobert. People don't realize how good of a frame Gobert had coming into the league. Totally different frame than a guy like Jeanne.

I'm not nearly as high on Jeanne as others are. His frame is just waaaaay too skinny. He has an Igram type frame. I just don't see how he's going to add much, if any strength to his frame, and that will be a huge problem for him. I wouldn't take him until the 2nd round. There's going to be plenty of safer prospects on the board late in the 1st round.

I happen to like and view ajinca as a solid role player which is kinda what you shoot for with late firsts.

My only point was to think way back when ajinca was a prospect and realize how frail he was.

Jeanne is not gobert or ajinca. Watch him move his feet. Watch his lateral movement. What him switch out on a guard. Now let's get to the gobert comparison. Jeanne is a lob finisher. And he has shown some potential in the post. If he can be consistent spotting up outside we are looking at a player along side gobert. That's not something you could see in ajinca.

Twin tower monster front court potential ought to at least be discussed even if jeanne is younger than most 1 and dones.

[UTJazzFan_Echo1]

Gotta admit that made me laugh, ajincas frame would break from the stress of anymore muscle mass. Is jeanne built like ajinca or gobert. Rudy is what u want to see for a before and after comparison. Is jeanne rudy or is he ajinca, because someone like ajinca isnt worth spending a first round pick on.

Jeanne is definitely more Ajinca than Gobert. People don't realize how good of a frame Gobert had coming into the league. Totally different frame than a guy like Jeanne.

I'm not nearly as high on Jeanne as others are. His frame is just waaaaay too skinny. He has an Igram type frame. I just don't see how he's going to add much, if any strength to his frame, and that will be a huge problem for him. I wouldn't take him until the 2nd round. There's going to be plenty of safer prospects on the board late in the 1st round.

I happen to like and view ajinca as a solid role player which is kinda what you shoot for with late firsts.

My only point was to think way back when ajinca was a prospect and realize how frail he was.

Jeanne is not gobert or ajinca. Watch him move his feet. Watch his lateral movement. What him switch out on a guard. Now let's get to the gobert comparison. Jeanne is a lob finisher. And he has shown some potential in the post. If he can be consistent spotting up outside we are looking at a player along side gobert. That's not something you could see in ajinca.

Twin tower monster front court potential ought to at least be discussed even if jeanne is younger than most 1 and dones.

Right, but you're missing the whole concern. He's too frail. Far too frail. None of his skills will matter if he can't hang with NBA athletes strength wise.

[UTJazzFan_Echo1]

Here are the Nike Hoop Summit World team measurements:

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/2017-nike-hoop-summit-world-select-team-measurements-5854/

Hartenstein and Mushidi both measured out extremely well. Both have NBA bodies. Should be interesting to see where they go in the draft. I think Hartenstein will go high, not sure where Mushidi will go. Mushidi will probably be on the board when the Jazz pick, but who knows.