Trade Ideas thread

[LordBaldric]

I think the people who want to trade our pick for role players may be grossly overestimating the talent we have on this team. Wiggins & LaVine both have big question marks in my mind. I know 13 years without the playoffs is a long ass time, but do we want the payoff to be another 1st round exit treadmill team like we had for years prior to 2004? I don't!

I want as much insurance as possible in case Wiggins/LaVine don't become stars, and that means drafting potential well rounded players with upside. Talk to me about trading lotto picks for role players when we are actually in a position to do something impressive.

[NewWolvesOrder]

i'm not against Faried as he has some attributes that we miss. But trading picks for him is dumb talk. Trade Aldrich for him (Denver saves money) and it makes sense. Otherwise no. Faried doesn't start there and shouldn't here. He's an energy player off the bench. I'd start Dieng over him.

[Crazy-Canuck]

I am a big fan of Derrick Favors on the Wolves, and have followed him closely. However, after this last season, he is not worth the #8 pick. Favors is risky now, because of his injuries and many missed games, the fact that he hasn't looked right when he has been able to play, and the fact that, even if he turns it around next season, he will be due a big paycheck next summer.

Utah's summer will be fascinating and terrifying. They desperately want to re-sign Gordon Hayward for the max, and George Hill turned down an extension for $27 mil/year to reach free agency, hoping to get near the max and 4 years. They need both players, but it will eat up their payroll. They have also already paid Gobert near the max, and have several good young players poised to get paid in 2018. If they are able to keep Hayward and Hill, they simply won't be able to afford Favors, and they desperately need him. When he has been on the floor with Gobert, Utah is a tremendous defensive team - when they play anyone else, they are simply horrible. So he gives them 26 minutes of good play (when he's healthy), and they struggle when he's off the floor.

I think the correct price for both teams is Dieng and a late first (which we could acquire by taking a bad contract). Dieng's upside isn't close to Favors, but his floor is considerably higher. Dieng checks the boxes that a contending Utah needs. He doesn't get hurt (ever), he can play a lot of minutes, he is good defensively, and his weakness of blocking shots at the rim is negated by Gobert. Best of all, he is a borderline starter big, locked into a deal that Utah could afford for several years. Utah is contending - they need to fill Favors gap with a player, more than they need to wait on a lottery pick.

MIN on the other hand, is in a position to gamble on Favors upside. They have the cap space that Utah lacks. If he can retain his health and his game, MIN may not mind giving him an expensive extension, because they might not have better gambles to spend it on. He has one of the two dozen NBA contracts that could be renegotiated as well, so we might be able to use extra cap space to pay him more up front, and set him on a declining deal in the future.

Been a favors guy since tech, but his injury history scares me. But if the price is dieng + late first, I think it's worth the gamble.

Minny in
Demarre Carroll
Raptors 1st

Raptors in
capspace or a filler like Payne or hill

Jazz in
Dieng
Raptors 1st

Minny in
Favors

Rubio/Jones
Wiggins/Dunn (lavine hurt)
Carroll/Bridges
Favors/bjelly
Kat/aldrich

[NewWolvesOrder]

Instead of trading for Faried I'd rather give same money to JaMychal Green. Favors is injury prone, also he doesn't bring you wins. Dieng has right mentality of role player. I feel like KAT-Dieng-Bjelica is good combination of skills, experience and hustle. The problem is that Bjelica will be on last year of his contract. He is so inconsistent, one day he plays like one of the best backup forwards in the league, then disappears for a few games. I don't know what expect from him next year. Given his injury and the fact that it will be our most important FA summer, I wouldn't wait for Bjelica.

Green is RFA and is a starter in Memphis. He's valued there. Faried is a short contact, not much of a risk if he's a free giveaway. If Belly is sucking ass again at least you can send Faried to jump like crazy out there.

[JDthrillinger]

Instead of trading for Faried I'd rather give same money to JaMychal Green. Favors is injury prone, also he doesn't bring you wins. Dieng has right mentality of role player. I feel like KAT-Dieng-Bjelica is good combination of skills, experience and hustle. The problem is that Bjelica will be on last year of his contract. He is so inconsistent, one day he plays like one of the best backup forwards in the league, then disappears for a few games. I don't know what expect from him next year. Given his injury and the fact that it will be our most important FA summer, I wouldn't wait for Bjelica.

Can we please be realistic here?
Jamychal Green is not signing a contract for 14 mill per year (Faried Money) & if somehow he were to sign with us for that price, Memphis would match the contract before the ink on the pen dried. He's restricted. My main point is that we definitely need a new starting power forward as well as a wing who is at least capable of starting. To find both of those options in free agency we will have to pay wayyyy too much which is why I suggest we acquire one via trade. There are more free agent wings that fit the mold than there are free agent pf's which is why we should trade for PF IMO

[JDthrillinger]

I am a big fan of Derrick Favors on the Wolves, and have followed him closely. However, after this last season, he is not worth the #8 pick. Favors is risky now, because of his injuries and many missed games, the fact that he hasn't looked right when he has been able to play, and the fact that, even if he turns it around next season, he will be due a big paycheck next summer.

Utah's summer will be fascinating and terrifying. They desperately want to re-sign Gordon Hayward for the max, and George Hill turned down an extension for $27 mil/year to reach free agency, hoping to get near the max and 4 years. They need both players, but it will eat up their payroll. They have also already paid Gobert near the max, and have several good young players poised to get paid in 2018. If they are able to keep Hayward and Hill, they simply won't be able to afford Favors, and they desperately need him. When he has been on the floor with Gobert, Utah is a tremendous defensive team - when they play anyone else, they are simply horrible. So he gives them 26 minutes of good play (when he's healthy), and they struggle when he's off the floor.

I think the correct price for both teams is Dieng and a late first (which we could acquire by taking a bad contract). Dieng's upside isn't close to Favors, but his floor is considerably higher. Dieng checks the boxes that a contending Utah needs. He doesn't get hurt (ever), he can play a lot of minutes, he is good defensively, and his weakness of blocking shots at the rim is negated by Gobert. Best of all, he is a borderline starter big, locked into a deal that Utah could afford for several years. Utah is contending - they need to fill Favors gap with a player, more than they need to wait on a lottery pick.

MIN on the other hand, is in a position to gamble on Favors upside. They have the cap space that Utah lacks. If he can retain his health and his game, MIN may not mind giving him an expensive extension, because they might not have better gambles to spend it on. He has one of the two dozen NBA contracts that could be renegotiated as well, so we might be able to use extra cap space to pay him more up front, and set him on a declining deal in the future.

Been a favors guy since tech, but his injury history scares me. But if the price is dieng + late first, I think it's worth the gamble.

Minny in
Demarre Carroll
Raptors 1st

Raptors in
capspace or a filler like Payne or hill

Jazz in
Dieng
Raptors 1st

Minny in
Favors

Rubio/Jones
Wiggins/Dunn (lavine hurt)
Carroll/Bridges
Favors/bjelly
Kat/aldrich

I could get behind this. I think everyone is off on Carroll's value though, I dont believe he's a negative contract, he has rebounded we'll this year. If Toronto is wanting to move him for cap reasons they will not have to attach a 1st. Could see them actually getting a late first for him from a team like Golden State if they were to lose Iggy. Warriors won't be able to offer free agents any money after they re-sign Curry & Durant but guarantee they will be looking to trade and go into the luxury tax to remain title favorites.

[JDthrillinger]

I think the people who want to trade our pick for role players may be grossly overestimating the talent we have on this team. Wiggins & LaVine both have big question marks in my mind. I know 13 years without the playoffs is a long ass time, but do we want the payoff to be another 1st round exit treadmill team like we had for years prior to 2004? I don't!

I want as much insurance as possible in case Wiggins/LaVine don't become stars, and that means drafting potential well rounded players with upside. Talk to me about trading lotto picks for role players when we are actually in a position to do something impressive.

Fair and smart for a longterm approach but I'm not patient enough for that approach & I have more faith in Wiggins & Lavine then you do. Problem is we are running out of time. We are likely to max Wiggins out before October and wouldn't be surprised to see Lavine get something like 4 yrs 90 million before October. My biggest fear with your mentality is everyone bolting with another year of frustration & losses although by no means do I think we should mortgage our future to win now. Picks outside of the top 5 fail more times then not, truth be told. Deal it for a proven player to win now and secure the Big 3 staying longterm

[JDthrillinger]

i'm not against Faried as he has some attributes that we miss. But trading picks for him is dumb talk. Trade Aldrich for him (Denver saves money) and it makes sense. Otherwise no. Faried doesn't start there and shouldn't here. He's an energy player off the bench. I'd start Dieng over him.

Unrealistic approach pal. With the continually booming cap, some people on here are grossly overestimating the amount of perceived "negative" contracts in the league. Faried is a value for his price. Aldrich is garbage no matter what his contract is, teams do not want him. Look at the #9 picks throughout draft history and you'll find their mean average of what they become is not even someone of Faried's level. Getting tired of hearing the one-sided unrealistic trade ideas on here

[NewWolvesOrder]

I think the people who want to trade our pick for role players may be grossly overestimating the talent we have on this team. Wiggins & LaVine both have big question marks in my mind. I know 13 years without the playoffs is a long ass time, but do we want the payoff to be another 1st round exit treadmill team like we had for years prior to 2004? I don't!

I want as much insurance as possible in case Wiggins/LaVine don't become stars, and that means drafting potential well rounded players with upside. Talk to me about trading lotto picks for role players when we are actually in a position to do something impressive.

Fair and smart for a longterm approach but I'm not patient enough for that approach & I have more faith in Wiggins & Lavine then you do. Problem is we are running out of time. We are likely to max Wiggins out before October and wouldn't be surprised to see Lavine get something like 4 yrs 90 million before October. My biggest fear with your mentality is everyone bolting with another year of frustration & losses although by no means do I think we should mortgage our future to win now. Picks outside of the top 5 fail more times then not, truth be told. Deal it for a proven player to win now and secure the Big 3 staying longterm

Deal top 10 pick for Faried and become the laughing stock of the league. I doubt the FO is dying to do this. Kaaaaaaaaaaaaaahn?

[NewWolvesOrder]

i'm not against Faried as he has some attributes that we miss. But trading picks for him is dumb talk. Trade Aldrich for him (Denver saves money) and it makes sense. Otherwise no. Faried doesn't start there and shouldn't here. He's an energy player off the bench. I'd start Dieng over him.

Unrealistic approach pal. With the continually booming cap, some people on here are grossly overestimating the amount of perceived "negative" contracts in the league. Faried is a value for his price. Aldrich is garbage no matter what his contract is, teams do not want him. Look at the #9 picks throughout draft history and you'll find their mean average of what they become is not even someone of Faried's level. Getting tired of hearing the one-sided unrealistic trade ideas on here

Faried is available for capspace. No one is trading a top pick for him. Kahn and King are fired long time ago.

[rugbyrugger23]

How about:

To Bucks: Russell

To Lakers: #19 + Vaughn + J Hill (NG waived)

To Wolves: Deng + Maker

Bucks get a combo guard to add to the mix in starting lineup with Giannis. C will be my committee with Monitor and Henson, if Monroe and Hawes opts out they would have space for a Maker replacement.

Lakers dump Deng at cost of Russell (assuming they draft PGOF with their pick), while taking a flyer on Vaughn and #19.

Wolves eat Deng at price of Maker. At #8 hope their SFOF (last remaining hole to fill), and they have Deng (Thibs guy) to mentor as vet. Maker ideally beats out Dieng as rim protecting big, Dieng becomes bench big.

[minimus]

Faried's trade wont changed anything. It is a trade for trade approach. We need to develop chemistry instead of making useless moves. MEM will pay 75 mil to 3 players. They have no bench, no starting SG. I'm okay to give Green solid offer, in worst case MEM will match it and they will have no space in future. We can get Favors as well, but there is no interest for him around the NBA, until he is completely healthy.

[JDthrillinger]

I think the people who want to trade our pick for role players may be grossly overestimating the talent we have on this team. Wiggins & LaVine both have big question marks in my mind. I know 13 years without the playoffs is a long ass time, but do we want the payoff to be another 1st round exit treadmill team like we had for years prior to 2004? I don't!

I want as much insurance as possible in case Wiggins/LaVine don't become stars, and that means drafting potential well rounded players with upside. Talk to me about trading lotto picks for role players when we are actually in a position to do something impressive.

Fair and smart for a longterm approach but I'm not patient enough for that approach & I have more faith in Wiggins & Lavine then you do. Problem is we are running out of time. We are likely to max Wiggins out before October and wouldn't be surprised to see Lavine get something like 4 yrs 90 million before October. My biggest fear with your mentality is everyone bolting with another year of frustration & losses although by no means do I think we should mortgage our future to win now. Picks outside of the top 5 fail more times then not, truth be told. Deal it for a proven player to win now and secure the Big 3 staying longterm

Deal top 10 pick for Faried and become the laughing stock of the league. I doubt the FO is dying to do this. Kaaaaaaaaaaaaaahn?

lol @ perceived value of the #9 pick in this draft. Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Tatum, Isaac, Smith, & Monk will be gone. Anyone else from this class would be lucky to sniff Faried's jock strap in terms of becoming a dependable player. Book that. You hear Top 10 & you think we have some magical relic that will fetch us an All Star?

[JDthrillinger]

How about:

To Bucks: Russell

To Lakers: #19 + Vaughn + J Hill (NG waived)

To Wolves: Deng + Maker

Bucks get a combo guard to add to the mix in starting lineup with Giannis. C will be my committee with Monitor and Henson, if Monroe and Hawes opts out they would have space for a Maker replacement.

Lakers dump Deng at cost of Russell (assuming they draft PGOF with their pick), while taking a flyer on Vaughn and #19.

Wolves eat Deng at price of Maker. At #8 hope their SFOF (last remaining hole to fill), and they have Deng (Thibs guy) to mentor as vet. Maker ideally beats out Dieng as rim protecting big, Dieng becomes bench big.

Bucks aren't trading Maker.

[Mattya]

Fair and smart for a longterm approach but I'm not patient enough for that approach & I have more faith in Wiggins & Lavine then you do. Problem is we are running out of time. We are likely to max Wiggins out before October and wouldn't be surprised to see Lavine get something like 4 yrs 90 million before October. My biggest fear with your mentality is everyone bolting with another year of frustration & losses although by no means do I think we should mortgage our future to win now. Picks outside of the top 5 fail more times then not, truth be told. Deal it for a proven player to win now and secure the Big 3 staying longterm

Deal top 10 pick for Faried and become the laughing stock of the league. I doubt the FO is dying to do this. Kaaaaaaaaaaaaaahn?

lol @ perceived value of the #9 pick in this draft. Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Tatum, Isaac, Smith, & Monk will be gone. Anyone else from this class would be lucky to sniff Faried's jock strap in terms of becoming a dependable player. Book that. You hear Top 10 & you think we have some magical relic that will fetch us an All Star?

You don't have to get an all star out of this pick to have it turn out better than Kenneth Faried. This is just a ridiculous overrating of Faried. Offer that on the trade board with a poll or even on the Nuggets board and you will get your answer.

[JDthrillinger]

Deal top 10 pick for Faried and become the laughing stock of the league. I doubt the FO is dying to do this. Kaaaaaaaaaaaaaahn?

lol @ perceived value of the #9 pick in this draft. Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Tatum, Isaac, Smith, & Monk will be gone. Anyone else from this class would be lucky to sniff Faried's jock strap in terms of becoming a dependable player. Book that. You hear Top 10 & you think we have some magical relic that will fetch us an All Star?

You don't have to get an all star out of this pick to have it turn out better than Kenneth Faried. This is just a ridiculous overrating of Faried. Offer that on the trade board with a poll or even on the Nuggets board and you will get your answer.

Tell me who we can get and then post on the team's board of that player too.

[Mattya]

lol @ perceived value of the #9 pick in this draft. Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Tatum, Isaac, Smith, & Monk will be gone. Anyone else from this class would be lucky to sniff Faried's jock strap in terms of becoming a dependable player. Book that. You hear Top 10 & you think we have some magical relic that will fetch us an All Star?

You don't have to get an all star out of this pick to have it turn out better than Kenneth Faried. This is just a ridiculous overrating of Faried. Offer that on the trade board with a poll or even on the Nuggets board and you will get your answer.

Tell me who we can get and then post on the team's board of that player too.

You don't have to trade it for any player, but trading the pick for Kenneth Faried would be selling low on a draft pick as good as ours. The Jazz traded their pick last season in a much weaker draft and got George Hill, who is better than the player you are suggesting the Wolves trade their pick for.

[Worm Guts]

How about:

To Bucks: Russell

To Lakers: #19 + Vaughn + J Hill (NG waived)

To Wolves: Deng + Maker

Bucks get a combo guard to add to the mix in starting lineup with Giannis. C will be my committee with Monitor and Henson, if Monroe and Hawes opts out they would have space for a Maker replacement.

Lakers dump Deng at cost of Russell (assuming they draft PGOF with their pick), while taking a flyer on Vaughn and #19.

Wolves eat Deng at price of Maker. At #8 hope their SFOF (last remaining hole to fill), and they have Deng (Thibs guy) to mentor as vet. Maker ideally beats out Dieng as rim protecting big, Dieng becomes bench big.

Bucks aren't trading Maker.

They might for Russell, although the Lakers probably won't use Russell to move Deng unless they have some major free agent lined up.

[JDthrillinger]

You don't have to get an all star out of this pick to have it turn out better than Kenneth Faried. This is just a ridiculous overrating of Faried. Offer that on the trade board with a poll or even on the Nuggets board and you will get your answer.

Tell me who we can get and then post on the team's board of that player too.

You don't have to trade it for any player, but trading the pick for Kenneth Faried would be selling low on a draft pick as good as ours. The Jazz traded their pick last season in a much weaker draft and got George Hill, who is better than the player you are suggesting the Wolves trade their pick for.

Markets dictate what you can get for what year for year. Years back George Hill was also traded for a pick that became Kawhi Leonard. Just seriously wondering who out there we can get that is a realistic option for both sides

[NewWolvesOrder]

Tell me who we can get and then post on the team's board of that player too.

You don't have to trade it for any player, but trading the pick for Kenneth Faried would be selling low on a draft pick as good as ours. The Jazz traded their pick last season in a much weaker draft and got George Hill, who is better than the player you are suggesting the Wolves trade their pick for.

Markets dictate what you can get for what year for year. Years back George Hill was also traded for a pick that became Kawhi Leonard. Just seriously wondering who out there we can get that is a realistic option for both sides

wow dude, where did you come from? Nuggets would trade him for much less, but I guess you want to be the guy who overpays

when you come to buy a car and a dealer offers you a sweet deal you offer to pay him double just because you can and want everyone to know it.

We can easily have Chandler for the pick from them. But let's just trade for Faried