Mavericks 2017 Draft #9

[Teffer10]

It will all depend on who Phoenix takes with their first pick and who is available when we pick but I could see our pick for Bledsoe working out well for both teams.
I see no reason for us to take Chandler and if there is any way we can dump Powell in a deal for Bledsoe that would be awesome.

Personally I like to see the Mavs try to trade our 2018 pick (unprotected) and Powell for Bledsoe and keep this year's pick. If we are at 10 trade back and get another pick and draft Zach Collins and maybe Trier. If we get Bledsoe our core is set and all we'd need to do is acquire roll players.

Bledsoe/Yogi/Barea
Curry/Trier/Harris
Matthews/Brussino/DFS
Barnes/Dirk/Uthoff
Noel/Collins/Mejri or Hammons

[JamesConway]

Trading away a top 8-10 pick for two years of Eric Bledsoe is one of the last things we should do right now if the goal is to rebuild a contender somewhen over the next ~ five years. The only way to get out of this mess is by taking this roster development-thing seriously, but that will take time and a lot of player development. Trying to shortcut this process for the approximately 28th time since the championship by trading away picks for vets really can't be the answer anymore. We're not one Eric Bledsoe away from being a threat to the top 5 in this league and that's not even taking all the injury concerns into account that come along with him...

[Pinkyring]

Trading away a top 8-10 pick for two years of Eric Bledsoe is one of the last things we should do right now if the goal is to rebuild a contender somewhen over the next ~ five years. The only way to get out of this mess is by taking this roster development-thing seriously, but that will take time and a lot of player development. Trying to shortcut this process for the approximately 28th time since the championship by trading away picks for vets really can't be the answer anymore. We're not one Eric Bledsoe away from being a threat to the top 5 in this league and that's not even taking all the injury concerns into account that come along with him...

Perfect post, all bledsoe does is lock us into mediocrity especially if we max him, then we are sitting on 3 max contracts for role players (noel,barnes, and bledsoe) not to mention what we are already paying for wes, powell and possibly seth

[Jinra]

Trading away a top 8-10 pick for two years of Eric Bledsoe is one of the last things we should do right now if the goal is to rebuild a contender somewhen over the next ~ five years. The only way to get out of this mess is by taking this roster development-thing seriously, but that will take time and a lot of player development. Trying to shortcut this process for the approximately 28th time since the championship by trading away picks for vets really can't be the answer anymore. We're not one Eric Bledsoe away from being a threat to the top 5 in this league and that's not even taking all the injury concerns into account that come along with him...

Perfect post, all bledsoe does is lock us into mediocrity especially if we max him, then we are sitting on 3 max contracts for role players (noel,barnes, and bledsoe) not to mention what we are already paying for wes, powell and possibly seth

So, the Mavericks were not trading picks to get better. They were actually dumping picks so they would not have to deal with rookies or rookie salaries, period. Further, if Eric Bledsoe is better than what you will get in the draft and what you current have in that position on your roster, at 27 years old he would not be shortcut. You shouldn't just draft and keep a pick just because you have it. This is about upgrading your team, so if you can swap the salaries around and add a better talent, you should really consider going for it.

In terms of his injuries, I agree, those are a concern. But if the Mavs medical staff has proven over the years, is that they can keep guys fairly healthy. See Tyson Chandler on that note. I would still take a chance on him for the remainder of his contract.

And I guess lastly, if by chance the Mavericks add Bledsoe, I would hope like hell that he plays well enough to demand a max contract. That would be awesome. A fine point to remember also is that the NBA has a salary floor in this CBA, so that money is going to have to be spent on someone, and most likely bloated on someone anyway, if the Mavericks don't have a bonafide Allstar on the foster.

[Devassa]

Trading away a top 8-10 pick for two years of Eric Bledsoe is one of the last things we should do right now if the goal is to rebuild a contender somewhen over the next ~ five years. The only way to get out of this mess is by taking this roster development-thing seriously, but that will take time and a lot of player development. Trying to shortcut this process for the approximately 28th time since the championship by trading away picks for vets really can't be the answer anymore. We're not one Eric Bledsoe away from being a threat to the top 5 in this league and that's not even taking all the injury concerns into account that come along with him...

Perfect post, all bledsoe does is lock us into mediocrity especially if we max him, then we are sitting on 3 max contracts for role players (noel,barnes, and bledsoe) not to mention what we are already paying for wes, powell and possibly seth

So you'd rather roll the dice on a foreign prospect like Ntilikina than trade for a proven star like Bledsoe? Also, Wes and Dirk are gone after next season which clears up a massive amount of space... And Seth is not a max player by any means

[Hadley]

I would not trade the pick for Bledsoe or even Butler. We don't need mediocre Players that give us nothing. We need a Superstar and our best/only chance for that is the draft.

[Jinra]

I would not trade the pick for Bledsoe or even Butler. We don't need mediocre Players that give us nothing. We need a Superstar and our best/only chance for that is the draft.

You said all that for shock value.

[Pinkyring]

Trading away a top 8-10 pick for two years of Eric Bledsoe is one of the last things we should do right now if the goal is to rebuild a contender somewhen over the next ~ five years. The only way to get out of this mess is by taking this roster development-thing seriously, but that will take time and a lot of player development. Trying to shortcut this process for the approximately 28th time since the championship by trading away picks for vets really can't be the answer anymore. We're not one Eric Bledsoe away from being a threat to the top 5 in this league and that's not even taking all the injury concerns into account that come along with him...

Perfect post, all bledsoe does is lock us into mediocrity especially if we max him, then we are sitting on 3 max contracts for role players (noel,barnes, and bledsoe) not to mention what we are already paying for wes, powell and possibly seth

So, the Mavericks were not trading picks to get better. They were actually dumping picks so they would not have to deal with rookies or rookie salaries, period. Further, if Eric Bledsoe is better than what you will get in the draft and what you current have in that position on your roster, at 27 years old he would not be shortcut. You shouldn't just draft and keep a pick just because you have it. This is about upgrading your team, so if you can swap the salaries around and add a better talent, you should really consider going for it.

In terms of his injuries, I agree, those are a concern. But if the Mavs medical staff has proven over the years, is that they can keep guys fairly healthy. See Tyson Chandler on that note. I would still take a chance on him for the remainder of his contract.

And I guess lastly, if by chance the Mavericks add Bledsoe, I would hope like hell that he plays well enough to demand a max contract. That would be awesome. A fine point to remember also is that the NBA has a salary floor in this CBA, so that money is going to have to be spent on someone, and most likely bloated on someone anyway, if the Mavericks don't have a bonafide Allstar on the foster.

Whether he is better than what we could get is irrelevant if that pick cost 4m and he is paid 18m the question is is ge better than a pick plus that money we could use on another player, we have entirely too many wholes to be maxing 3 role players

[Pinkyring]

Trading away a top 8-10 pick for two years of Eric Bledsoe is one of the last things we should do right now if the goal is to rebuild a contender somewhen over the next ~ five years. The only way to get out of this mess is by taking this roster development-thing seriously, but that will take time and a lot of player development. Trying to shortcut this process for the approximately 28th time since the championship by trading away picks for vets really can't be the answer anymore. We're not one Eric Bledsoe away from being a threat to the top 5 in this league and that's not even taking all the injury concerns into account that come along with him...

Perfect post, all bledsoe does is lock us into mediocrity especially if we max him, then we are sitting on 3 max contracts for role players (noel,barnes, and bledsoe) not to mention what we are already paying for wes, powell and possibly seth

So you'd rather roll the dice on a foreign prospect like Ntilikina than trade for a proven star like Bledsoe? Also, Wes and Dirk are gone after next season which clears up a massive amount of space... And Seth is not a max player by any means

Matthews will still be here, i like bledsoe a lot actually and if we move some salary id love that deal but with these bad contracts on the books (wes,barnes,powell) adding that kind of salary just locks us into mediocrity with 2 of our big three with major injury concerns. I dont like injury prone players as foundation pieces, i won't even draft them in fantasy football

[Jinra]

Whether he is better than what we could get is irrelevant if that pick cost 4m and he is paid 18m the question is is ge better than a pick plus that money we could use on another player, we have entirely too many wholes to be maxing 3 role players

Now you lost me. You have to pay better money for better players. How is getting a better player, who is worth his contract, irrelevant? Bledsoe at $14.5M and $15M as a fringe Allstar verses a rookie at #9 getting $4M as a crapshoot to develop into their potential. Point Guard and Shooting Guard is one of those holes you mention.

[Pinkyring]

Whether he is better than what we could get is irrelevant if that pick cost 4m and he is paid 18m the question is is ge better than a pick plus that money we could use on another player, we have entirely too many wholes to be maxing 3 role players

Now you lost me. You have to pay better money for better players. How is getting a better player, who is worth his contract, irrelevant? Bledsoe at $14.5M and $15M as a fringe Allstar verses a rookie at #9 getting $4M as a crapshoot to develop into their potential. Point Guard and Shooting Guard is one of those holes you mention.

If we make the deal, it wouldnt surprise me and i wouldn't mind it, im just not comfortable making that investment given his health when we will also be making a large investment in noel with his health. I look long term and having 3 role players maxed gives no flexibility to do anything else, we are a 7th or 8th seed for years

[Jinra]

Whether he is better than what we could get is irrelevant if that pick cost 4m and he is paid 18m the question is is ge better than a pick plus that money we could use on another player, we have entirely too many wholes to be maxing 3 role players

Now you lost me. You have to pay better money for better players. How is getting a better player, who is worth his contract, irrelevant? Bledsoe at $14.5M and $15M as a fringe Allstar verses a rookie at #9 getting $4M as a crapshoot to develop into their potential. Point Guard and Shooting Guard is one of those holes you mention.

If we make the deal, it wouldnt surprise me and i wouldn't mind it, im just not comfortable making that investment given his health when we will also be making a large investment in noel with his health. I look long term and having 3 role players maxed gives no flexibility to do anything else, we are a 7th or 8th seed for years

Got it. I can see your point on that one, because I certainly don't want another Chandler Parsons scenario again.

[Devassa]

Now you lost me. You have to pay better money for better players. How is getting a better player, who is worth his contract, irrelevant? Bledsoe at $14.5M and $15M as a fringe Allstar verses a rookie at #9 getting $4M as a crapshoot to develop into their potential. Point Guard and Shooting Guard is one of those holes you mention.

If we make the deal, it wouldnt surprise me and i wouldn't mind it, im just not comfortable making that investment given his health when we will also be making a large investment in noel with his health. I look long term and having 3 role players maxed gives no flexibility to do anything else, we are a 7th or 8th seed for years

Got it. I can see your point on that one, because I certainly don't want another Chandler Parsons scenario again.

Bledsoe is far better than Parsons.. he's one of the better all around PGs in the league and he's still relatively young so we would probably have 5-6 solid years of him at a productive level. A guy like Ntilikina may end up doing ok here, but I think he tops out at a Dennis Schroder type in the league... Which is good, but not great. In the right system, Bledsoe is an all star PG, and if the front office still wants to try and compete with Dirk for he next 1 or 2 years, is an absolute must have

[Teffer10]

I would not trade the pick for Bledsoe or even Butler. We don't need mediocre Players that give us nothing. We need a Superstar and our best/only chance for that is the draft.

Good luck turning Markkanen or Ntilikina into superstar material!
If we go the draft route we need to move Barnes and Curry for whatever we can get because we're talking a half decade at best getting to even mediocrity level going strictly by the draft.
And good luck attracting star caliber FAs going that route.

[Texas Chuck]

People need to not have hard and fast rules. We got Dirk with a pick right around the one we have now. We added Nash via inexpensive trade. Then we just kept flipping pieces for slightly better pieces.

The easy way is to get the number 1 overall pick when Shaq, Duncan, or Lebron are available. That's not a plan tho. So we have to be open to any and all options. Like the Noel pickup was a great example of being opportunistic. May not pan out. He might not become the guy we hope he can be. But if he even comes close we just stole him.


Maybe the right choice is to pick BPA wherever our pick falls. Or maybe it is to trade back and pick up an extra 1st and have 2 shots at finding a young core piece. Or maybe its to trade it for a young more established player? Hopefully the Mavs FO considers every option available.

[Teffer10]

If we make the deal, it wouldnt surprise me and i wouldn't mind it, im just not comfortable making that investment given his health when we will also be making a large investment in noel with his health. I look long term and having 3 role players maxed gives no flexibility to do anything else, we are a 7th or 8th seed for years

Got it. I can see your point on that one, because I certainly don't want another Chandler Parsons scenario again.

Bledsoe is far better than Parsons.. he's one of the better all around PGs in the league and he's still relatively young so we would probably have 5-6 solid years of him at a productive level. A guy like Ntilikina may end up doing ok here, but I think he tops out at a Dennis Schroder type in the league... Which is good, but not great. In the right system, Bledsoe is an all star PG, and if the front office still wants to try and compete with Dirk for he next 1 or 2 years, is an absolute must have

I think Jinra was referring to the injury comparison of Bledsoe and Parsons.

But you are right, I do think you have to look at the age of our current core. Barnes and Curry are mid-20s so getting players (especially PG) around them who are somewhat seasoned and proven would be much better imo in our current situation than drafting a 19yo who could very easily take 5 years to develop with a chance of being a complete bust.
If we're picking top 3 then yeah, it probably wouldn't make sense to trade the pick because one of them have a better chance of ramping up much faster than a #9 or #10 pick.

[Teffer10]

People need to not have hard and fast rules. We got Dirk with a pick right around the one we have now. We added Nash via inexpensive trade. Then we just kept flipping pieces for slightly better pieces.

See that is what I was talking about with trading the 2018 pick for Bledsoe instead of 2017. We did the same in our trade for Nash (which ended up being Marion). With Barnes/Curry/Dirk/Noel/Bledsoe/Barea/Yogi/Mejri/Brussino/2017 Pick we should be good enough where we'd have a lower pick than what we'll have this season and would put us a year ahead of the rebuilding process. That was something Nellie said when we traded for Nash and I think that would make sense for us now.

The only way we get a superstar in the draft is to majorly suck for a few years but I just don't see that happening with our current talent, owner, GM, coaching staff and overall culture. You would have to strip this team of Barnes, Curry and Dirk for us to be worse than the Sixers and some of the other perpetual cellar dwellers to put us in a position of having any opportunity at that potential superstar draftee.

[Jinra]

People need to not have hard and fast rules. We got Dirk with a pick right around the one we have now. We added Nash via inexpensive trade. Then we just kept flipping pieces for slightly better pieces.

See that is what I was talking about with trading the 2018 pick for Bledsoe instead of 2017. We did the same in our trade for Nash (which ended up being Marion). With Barnes/Curry/Dirk/Noel/Bledsoe/Barea/Yogi/Mejri/Brussino/2017 Pick we should be good enough where we'd have a lower pick than what we'll have this season and would put us a year ahead of the rebuilding process. That was something Nellie said when we traded for Nash and I think that would make sense for us now.

The only way we get a superstar in the draft is to majorly suck for a few years but I just don't see that happening with our current talent, owner, GM, coaching staff and overall culture. You would have to strip this team of Barnes, Curry and Dirk for us to be worse than the Sixers and some of the other perpetual cellar dwellers to put us in a position of having any opportunity at that potential superstar draftee.

We could try to sucker move Brooklyn like Boston did....

[Pointguard01]

People need to not have hard and fast rules. We got Dirk with a pick right around the one we have now. We added Nash via inexpensive trade. Then we just kept flipping pieces for slightly better pieces.

See that is what I was talking about with trading the 2018 pick for Bledsoe instead of 2017. We did the same in our trade for Nash (which ended up being Marion). With Barnes/Curry/Dirk/Noel/Bledsoe/Barea/Yogi/Mejri/Brussino/2017 Pick we should be good enough where we'd have a lower pick than what we'll have this season and would put us a year ahead of the rebuilding process. That was something Nellie said when we traded for Nash and I think that would make sense for us now.

The only way we get a superstar in the draft is to majorly suck for a few years but I just don't see that happening with our current talent, owner, GM, coaching staff and overall culture. You would have to strip this team of Barnes, Curry and Dirk for us to be worse than the Sixers and some of the other perpetual cellar dwellers to put us in a position of having any opportunity at that potential superstar draftee.

I'm mostly ok with that if it's protected.

Again, this season has sucked. Cheering for us to lose to get a good pick AND then to cheer to lose again the next season? No thanks. I want us to be a playoff contender next year, with solid building blocks in Barnes, Noel, Yogi, Curry, Brussino (this guy can be really good) and the 2017 pick. If you can trade a 2018 pick [protected] for a semi-young player like a Bledsoe, then I would support that. Dallas is likely back in the playoffs with that move. I do not love Bledose but I would sign off on that move.

[SOUNDCHASER]

well MInnesota is winning against Portland so maybe we move into a tie for 8th.