NBA 2017 Draft Prospects Thread

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Jeanne is definitely more Ajinca than Gobert. People don't realize how good of a frame Gobert had coming into the league. Totally different frame than a guy like Jeanne.

I'm not nearly as high on Jeanne as others are. His frame is just waaaaay too skinny. He has an Igram type frame. I just don't see how he's going to add much, if any strength to his frame, and that will be a huge problem for him. I wouldn't take him until the 2nd round. There's going to be plenty of safer prospects on the board late in the 1st round.

I happen to like and view ajinca as a solid role player which is kinda what you shoot for with late firsts.

My only point was to think way back when ajinca was a prospect and realize how frail he was.

Jeanne is not gobert or ajinca. Watch him move his feet. Watch his lateral movement. What him switch out on a guard. Now let's get to the gobert comparison. Jeanne is a lob finisher. And he has shown some potential in the post. If he can be consistent spotting up outside we are looking at a player along side gobert. That's not something you could see in ajinca.

Twin tower monster front court potential ought to at least be discussed even if jeanne is younger than most 1 and dones.

Right, but you're missing the whole concern. He's too frail. Far too frail. None of his skills will matter if he can't hang with NBA athletes strength wise.

Yea he's so frail he's like rookie KG. So the big question is about work ethic and desire to move to the usa to play ball.

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I happen to like and view ajinca as a solid role player which is kinda what you shoot for with late firsts.

My only point was to think way back when ajinca was a prospect and realize how frail he was.

Jeanne is not gobert or ajinca. Watch him move his feet. Watch his lateral movement. What him switch out on a guard. Now let's get to the gobert comparison. Jeanne is a lob finisher. And he has shown some potential in the post. If he can be consistent spotting up outside we are looking at a player along side gobert. That's not something you could see in ajinca.

Twin tower monster front court potential ought to at least be discussed even if jeanne is younger than most 1 and dones.

Right, but you're missing the whole concern. He's too frail. Far too frail. None of his skills will matter if he can't hang with NBA athletes strength wise.

Yea he's so frail he's like rookie KG. So the big question is about work ethic and desire to move to the usa to play ball.

He's like... 15 pounds lighter than Dante Exum.... and he's 7'2"

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Bol was 7'7 and came into the league frail. In the mid 1980s his goal was to add 30 lbs and get around 220.

[uber_snotling]

Patton declared for the draft yesterday.

Doubt he'll be available in the late 20s, but the Jazz might be able to package up the two firsts to get into the late teens where he's projected.

http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/creightons-justin-patton-will-become-the-rare-one-and-done-redshirt-freshman/

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I couldn't bench a phone book- Kevin Durant



I'm so skinny DHS got called on my mom- Brandon Ingram



That was the first time I could lift the ball above my head- Tayshaun Prince



That's my twin brother, I ate him- Alexis Ajinca



Either I ate Rick Rickert or he plays in the 2nd league in Japan. What do you think is more likely?- KG



Yea, yea laugh it up you clowns. My rookie year I played 80 games, 26 minutes a night, and blocked 5 shots a night. - Manute Bol



Kid needs to bulk up? Lemme call my boy Barry. I'll hook him up. Can't have Chris Dudley's son pushing him around. -Shaq "mentally soft" O'Neal.





I speak English. I am willing to work. My number one goal is to play in the NBA. Jeanne, is saying that now too?- Rudy Gobert



Did you see how skinny Porzingis looked in Spain? Seriously, SMH- Jonathan Jeanne

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I think I prefer Issac to Markannen, but I'd probably still trade Favors for either. I like them both. I was hoping that Issac declared last draft.

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I think I prefer Issac to Markannen, but I'd probably still trade Favors for either. I like them both. I was hoping that Issac declared last draft.

I love Isaac. I'd trade Favors for Isaac. Might do it for Markkanen too, but I'm still a bit hesitant about it.

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I think I prefer Issac to Markannen, but I'd probably still trade Favors for either. I like them both. I was hoping that Issac declared last draft.

I love Isaac. I'd trade Favors for Isaac. Might do it for Markkanen too, but I'm still a bit hesitant about it.

Minny seems like the only spot you could trade up and get one of those two. They have good reason to want Favors. I'd be willing to take back Dieng, but I I'm higher on him than most.

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I think I prefer Issac to Markannen, but I'd probably still trade Favors for either. I like them both. I was hoping that Issac declared last draft.

I love Isaac. I'd trade Favors for Isaac. Might do it for Markkanen too, but I'm still a bit hesitant about it.

Minny seems like the only spot you could trade up and get one of those two. They have good reason to want Favors. I'd be willing to take back Dieng, but I I'm higher on him than most.

His contract is horrible(at least for us). He's not a starter who's getting starter money. We can't afford to give this type of money to a sub.

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I love Isaac. I'd trade Favors for Isaac. Might do it for Markkanen too, but I'm still a bit hesitant about it.

Minny seems like the only spot you could trade up and get one of those two. They have good reason to want Favors. I'd be willing to take back Dieng, but I I'm higher on him than most.

His contract is horrible(at least for us). He's not a starter who's getting starter money. We can't afford to give this type of money to a sub.

I don't think it's that bad, he is a starting caliber player. I guess the real question is how much are Favors is going to get paid on his next deal and what the difference would be. If Favors regains his health and athleticism we probably can't afford him anyways. It's an iffy trade, but I'd do it. Something has to give with this roster. You can't hold onto all of your chips.

Maybe the right player to trade would be Hood. He still has value to a rebuilding franchise and will also be too expensive for us. Sacramento stands at #8 and #10...I'm sure Joeger would love to have Hood. My ideal trade is still to trade Favors+Hood for one better player. Those two may cost $50 M combined after next season.

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Minny seems like the only spot you could trade up and get one of those two. They have good reason to want Favors. I'd be willing to take back Dieng, but I I'm higher on him than most.

His contract is horrible(at least for us). He's not a starter who's getting starter money. We can't afford to give this type of money to a sub.

I don't think it's that bad, he is a starting caliber player. I guess the real question is how much are Favors is going to get paid on his next deal and what the difference would be. If Favors regains his health and athleticism we probably can't afford him anyways. It's an iffy trade, but I'd do it. Something has to give with this roster. You can't hold onto all of your chips.

Maybe the right player to trade would be Hood. He still has value to a rebuilding franchise and will also be too expensive for us. Sacramento stands at #8 and #10...I'm sure Joeger would love to have Hood. My ideal trade is still to trade Favors+Hood for one better player. Those two may cost $50 M combined after next season.

If he's not good enough to play alongside the prodigy KAT, is he good enough to play alongside limited offensive player like Gobert? Hell, if he's not good enough to play alongside KAT, who is he good enough to play alongside? People just casually gloss over the fact that Minny is looking to upgrade over him. Why would they, if he's so good and they already have a beast of a big? Listen to what his own team tells you, guys. He's the exact same type of player where you will always look to upgrade if he's starting for you. The Diengs, the Thad Youngs... they are marginal starters, their ideal position is as third big if you want to be competitive, but pretty much every single night you will be at disadvantage at that position if he starts for you.

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If he's not good enough to play alongside the prodigy KAT, is he good enough to play alongside limited offensive player like Gobert? Hell, if he's not good enough to play alongside KAT, who is he good enough to play alongside? People just casually gloss over the fact that Minny is looking to upgrade over him. Why would they, if he's so good and they already have a beast of a big? Listen to what his own team tells you, guys. He's the exact same type of player where you will always look to upgrade if he's starting for you. The Diengs, the Thad Youngs... they are marginal starters, their ideal position is as third big if you want to be competitive, but pretty much every single night you will be at disadvantage at that position if he starts for you.

Has Minny actually been looking to trade him? That's news to me. They clearly wanted him when they gave him that huge contract, and I don't think this season has changed anyone's perception. It's possible have a solid starter and still be able to upgrade over him. The fact that he can be upgraded doesn't mean that he can't play with Towns. Nobody is saying he's a beast of a big.

Gobert and Towns are two vastly different players. Favors is a better player than DIeng, and he also fits much better with Towns than Gobert. Dieng is a little bit more skilled than Favors. He's a better shooter, passer, and much more durable. Once again, not saying he is a beast or better than a healthy Favors, but he does have advantages in desired areas and is more reliable health wise. You are getting a top 10 pick with him to make it a deal.

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If he's not good enough to play alongside the prodigy KAT, is he good enough to play alongside limited offensive player like Gobert? Hell, if he's not good enough to play alongside KAT, who is he good enough to play alongside? People just casually gloss over the fact that Minny is looking to upgrade over him. Why would they, if he's so good and they already have a beast of a big? Listen to what his own team tells you, guys. He's the exact same type of player where you will always look to upgrade if he's starting for you. The Diengs, the Thad Youngs... they are marginal starters, their ideal position is as third big if you want to be competitive, but pretty much every single night you will be at disadvantage at that position if he starts for you.

Has Minny actually been looking to trade him? That's news to me. They clearly wanted him when they gave him that huge contract, and I don't think this season has changed anyone's perception. It's possible have a solid starter and still be able to upgrade over him. The fact that he can be upgraded doesn't mean that he can't play with Towns. Nobody is saying he's a beast of a big.

Gobert and Towns are two vastly different players. Favors is a better player than DIeng, and he also fits much better with Towns than Gobert. Dieng is a little bit more skilled than Favors. He's a better shooter, passer, and much more durable. Once again, not saying he is a beast or better than a healthy Favors, but he does have advantages in desired areas and is more reliable health wise. You are getting a top 10 pick with him to make it a deal.

My point is - I'd rather take the top 10 pick without Dieng, I'd rather take another asset than Dieng(if he's considered asset for Minny). I don't value him at his current salary. And especially for us trying crunch salaries he's not a good contract if you plan for him to be a sub(and yes, that's what you should plan if you want to be serious about competing).

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Front Court:

It's way too early for me to make my official endorsements, but right now, based on picking at #24 & #30 (GS pick), I think I like Caleb Swanigan with that 24 pick, unless the Jazz are sold on Bolomboy making a jump into the rotation. I don't want to give up on Lyles, but an entire sophomore season is a pretty good sample size for him not being the player we wanted him to be. The Jazz's depth at the PF is not good, and Swanigan is a strong rebounder, but also knocked down the 3 at a 45% clip.

Tacko Fall is intriguing, as a massively tall & long, back-up center. Although I would be concerned that he's a long term project that may never work out.

Bam Adebayo also has some nice skills for a later round player. Alec Peters could be worth a look in the second round as a highly productive small-school big, who can shoot from deep, that might develop into a decent role player. (Although I suspect he'll go back to school when he realizes he's a 2nd round pick.)

As always, the talent is sketchy & a crap-shoot in the late first round, so it's difficult to find someone to really fall in love with.

I'll keep digging.

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If he's not good enough to play alongside the prodigy KAT, is he good enough to play alongside limited offensive player like Gobert? Hell, if he's not good enough to play alongside KAT, who is he good enough to play alongside? People just casually gloss over the fact that Minny is looking to upgrade over him. Why would they, if he's so good and they already have a beast of a big? Listen to what his own team tells you, guys. He's the exact same type of player where you will always look to upgrade if he's starting for you. The Diengs, the Thad Youngs... they are marginal starters, their ideal position is as third big if you want to be competitive, but pretty much every single night you will be at disadvantage at that position if he starts for you.

Has Minny actually been looking to trade him? That's news to me. They clearly wanted him when they gave him that huge contract, and I don't think this season has changed anyone's perception. It's possible have a solid starter and still be able to upgrade over him. The fact that he can be upgraded doesn't mean that he can't play with Towns. Nobody is saying he's a beast of a big.

Gobert and Towns are two vastly different players. Favors is a better player than DIeng, and he also fits much better with Towns than Gobert. Dieng is a little bit more skilled than Favors. He's a better shooter, passer, and much more durable. Once again, not saying he is a beast or better than a healthy Favors, but he does have advantages in desired areas and is more reliable health wise. You are getting a top 10 pick with him to make it a deal.

My point is - I'd rather take the top 10 pick without Dieng, I'd rather take another asset than Dieng(if he's considered asset for Minny). I don't value him at his current salary. And especially for us trying crunch salaries he's not a good contract if you plan for him to be a sub(and yes, that's what you should plan if you want to be serious about competing).

Really? I think Dieng would be a fantastic fit alongside of Gobert. He's essentially Favors lite who can shoot the 3 ball on occasion. Always been a big fan of his game. He's also on a decent contract and has plenty of room to develop.

Also surprised that so many of you like Issac over Markanen.

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Really? I think Dieng would be a fantastic fit alongside of Gobert. He's essentially Favors lite who can shoot the 3 ball on occasion. Always been a big fan of his game. He's also on a decent contract and has plenty of room to develop.

Also surprised that so many of you like Issac over Markanen.

I'm not that enamored with him. Dieng is nowhere near the player Favors is. Like... not in the same universe. Saying he's Favors lite is a very disrespectful to Favors IMO. That's not to say Dieng is a bad player. He's a solid rotational player. I would really like him as a sub(3d big off the bench). But you don't pay a sub 15-16M per year especially on a team that needs every cent we can save. Also... he's 27, I don't know how much room for improvement he has. I think he is what he is. He already regressing compared to last year, for example.

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Deing isn't close to the player Favors is and is considerably over payed. In his last five games he has played 158 minutes and scored 35 points. We complain that Favors isn't consistent enough in his offensive production so what does that make Dieng?

I'm not completely opposed to trading Favors but I think even with his injuries there would be a lot of teams willing to give up considerable assets in order to get him on their team.

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Really? I think Dieng would be a fantastic fit alongside of Gobert. He's essentially Favors lite who can shoot the 3 ball on occasion. Always been a big fan of his game. He's also on a decent contract and has plenty of room to develop.

Also surprised that so many of you like Issac over Markanen.

I'm not that enamored with him. Dieng is nowhere near the player Favors is. Like... not in the same universe. Saying he's Favors lite is a very disrespectful to Favors IMO. That's not to say Dieng is a bad player. He's a solid rotational player. I would really like him as a sub(3d big off the bench). But you don't pay a sub 15-16M per year especially on a team that needs every cent we can save. Also... he's 27, I don't know how much room for improvement he has. I think he is what he is. He already regressing compared to last year, for example.

No offense... but you're WAY too high on Favors right now. Either that, or you don't really understand how good Dieng has been.

Here's the link for stat comparisons sake (Favors vs Dieng):
http://stats.nba.com/vs/#!?PlayerID=203476&VsPlayerID=202324

Dieng is essentially the same player as Favors, just the lite version of him (which is extremely comparable to what Favors is right now...) hence the comparison.

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Really? I think Dieng would be a fantastic fit alongside of Gobert. He's essentially Favors lite who can shoot the 3 ball on occasion. Always been a big fan of his game. He's also on a decent contract and has plenty of room to develop.

Also surprised that so many of you like Issac over Markanen.

I'm not that enamored with him. Dieng is nowhere near the player Favors is. Like... not in the same universe. Saying he's Favors lite is a very disrespectful to Favors IMO. That's not to say Dieng is a bad player. He's a solid rotational player. I would really like him as a sub(3d big off the bench). But you don't pay a sub 15-16M per year especially on a team that needs every cent we can save. Also... he's 27, I don't know how much room for improvement he has. I think he is what he is. He already regressing compared to last year, for example.

No offense... but you're WAY too high on Favors right now. Either that, or you don't really understand how good Dieng has been.

Here's the link for stat comparisons sake (Favors vs Dieng):
http://stats.nba.com/vs/#!?PlayerID=203476&VsPlayerID=202324

Dieng is essentially the same player as Favors, just the lite version of him (which is extremely comparable to what Favors is right now...) hence the comparison.

Are you comparing Favors on one leg vs healthy Dieng? Yah, this way they might be comparable.

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I'm not that enamored with him. Dieng is nowhere near the player Favors is. Like... not in the same universe. Saying he's Favors lite is a very disrespectful to Favors IMO. That's not to say Dieng is a bad player. He's a solid rotational player. I would really like him as a sub(3d big off the bench). But you don't pay a sub 15-16M per year especially on a team that needs every cent we can save. Also... he's 27, I don't know how much room for improvement he has. I think he is what he is. He already regressing compared to last year, for example.

No offense... but you're WAY too high on Favors right now. Either that, or you don't really understand how good Dieng has been.

Here's the link for stat comparisons sake (Favors vs Dieng):
http://stats.nba.com/vs/#!?PlayerID=203476&VsPlayerID=202324

Dieng is essentially the same player as Favors, just the lite version of him (which is extremely comparable to what Favors is right now...) hence the comparison.

Are you comparing Favors on one leg vs healthy Dieng? Yah, this way they might be comparable.

Have you totally missed the entire premise of my original statement? Dieng is Favors "LITE" meaning that he's a lesser or lower or not as good of version of a HEALTHY Favors. What does that look like? Well, it probably looks like a LESS HEALTHY Favors, which is exactly what we have right now. So ya, I'm comparing Dieng to a not healthy Favors, because that was the entire premise of the comparison in the first place: Dieng as Favors lite. I never once said HEALTHY Favors = Dieng.