Mavericks 2017 Draft #9

[Mr B]

People need to not have hard and fast rules. We got Dirk with a pick right around the one we have now. We added Nash via inexpensive trade. Then we just kept flipping pieces for slightly better pieces.

See that is what I was talking about with trading the 2018 pick for Bledsoe instead of 2017. We did the same in our trade for Nash (which ended up being Marion). With Barnes/Curry/Dirk/Noel/Bledsoe/Barea/Yogi/Mejri/Brussino/2017 Pick we should be good enough where we'd have a lower pick than what we'll have this season and would put us a year ahead of the rebuilding process. That was something Nellie said when we traded for Nash and I think that would make sense for us now.

The only way we get a superstar in the draft is to majorly suck for a few years but I just don't see that happening with our current talent, owner, GM, coaching staff and overall culture. You would have to strip this team of Barnes, Curry and Dirk for us to be worse than the Sixers and some of the other perpetual cellar dwellers to put us in a position of having any opportunity at that potential superstar draftee.

I'm mostly ok with that if it's protected.

Again, this season has sucked. Cheering for us to lose to get a good pick AND then to cheer to lose again the next season? No thanks. I want us to be a playoff contender next year, with solid building blocks in Barnes, Noel, Yogi, Curry, Brussino (this guy can be really good) and the 2017 pick. If you can trade a 2018 pick [protected] for a semi-young player like a Bledsoe, then I would support that. Dallas is likely back in the playoffs with that move. I do not love Bledose but I would sign off on that move.

Brussino really has something to him doesn't he. He's really young but you can see that that the instincts are there. Once he gets stronger, learns the NBA game and just matures as a person he's going to be really good. I could easily see him being as good as someone like Kyle Corver.

As for the Mavs I think if they had started the season with the team they have now they'd be a 45-50 win team. I could see them making a trade for a player like Bledsoe. That's how they got JET. I would like to see them target someone young. I still think Mudiay would be a perfect player to go after. He's from the Dallas area and was a top pick in his draft. He has the talent and I think Carlisle could do wonders for his career (like he did with Chauncey Billups).

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dam you Portland we needed you to lose to the TPups

[Hadley]

I would not trade the pick for Bledsoe or even Butler. We don't need mediocre Players that give us nothing. We need a Superstar and our best/only chance for that is the draft.

Good luck turning Markkanen or Ntilikina into superstar material!
If we go the draft route we need to move Barnes and Curry for whatever we can get because we're talking a half decade at best getting to even mediocrity level going strictly by the draft.
And good luck attracting star caliber FAs going that route.

We never got any star in FA and we wont. SuperStars in FA only join Superteams. The only chance to get a Superstar is through the Draft. If we trade the pick we will continue to be mediocre for the next few Years.

And you just need to gamble and be lucky in the draft. Look at Giannis Antetekounmpo or Kawhi Leonard, they both went #15. There is nothing worse in the NBA than to be mediocre, that gets you nowhere!

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This kid looks like a monster waiting to develop

[Roddy B for 3]

Trading away a top 8-10 pick for two years of Eric Bledsoe is one of the last things we should do right now if the goal is to rebuild a contender somewhen over the next ~ five years. The only way to get out of this mess is by taking this roster development-thing seriously, but that will take time and a lot of player development. Trying to shortcut this process for the approximately 28th time since the championship by trading away picks for vets really can't be the answer anymore. We're not one Eric Bledsoe away from being a threat to the top 5 in this league and that's not even taking all the injury concerns into account that come along with him...

Perfect post, all bledsoe does is lock us into mediocrity especially if we max him, then we are sitting on 3 max contracts for role players (noel,barnes, and bledsoe) not to mention what we are already paying for wes, powell and possibly seth

So you'd rather roll the dice on a foreign prospect like Ntilikina than trade for a proven star like Bledsoe? Also, Wes and Dirk are gone after next season which clears up a massive amount of space... And Seth is not a max player by any means

Between this year and next year we will have two draft picks and likely cap room for 1 big time FA.

This year's draft pick will likely be the higher of the two draft picks and is in a deep draft.

If we trade our current pick for Bledsoe that takes away our draft pick and our shot at a FA.
-That's akin to killing 1 bird with two stones.

That being said I do want to watch competitive games next year and would love to have Bledsoe on the team. I would trade a protected 2018 1st +Powell for Bledsoe.

[Texas Chuck]

I would trade a protected 2018 1st +Powell for Bledsoe.

I can't see Phoenix doing that tho. Powell is negative value and with Dallas adding Bledsoe, you got to figure we are picking outside the top ten next year. That's not a very attractive get for the Suns.

Now take Powell out and I think it gets more interesting--particularly if the Suns take one of the elite PG's at the top of the draft. They might want to just give that guy the job immediately and let Ulis take the backup role. No issue making Knight be the vet safety net who doesn't play much, but that wouldn't work with Bledsoe.

[Teffer10]

I would trade a protected 2018 1st +Powell for Bledsoe.

I can't see Phoenix doing that tho. Powell is negative value and with Dallas adding Bledsoe, you got to figure we are picking outside the top ten next year. That's not a very attractive get for the Suns.

Now take Powell out and I think it gets more interesting--particularly if the Suns take one of the elite PG's at the top of the draft. They might want to just give that guy the job immediately and let Ulis take the backup role. No issue making Knight be the vet safety net who doesn't play much, but that wouldn't work with Bledsoe.

With Chriss and Booker being 19yo I could see Suns trading Bledsoe for our pick but I agree adding Powell to the deal would probably turn them off.

Imagine starting from scratch with a Ball/Booker/Isaac/Chriss/Len lineup?
That would have a pretty good chance of being realistic and pretty enticing for a Suns fan.

And Bledsoe is almost perfect for age group situation. It would make more sense for us to have a seasoned PG to run this older group than start out with someone like Ntilikina who will most likely take several years to develop.

[Teffer10]

I would not trade the pick for Bledsoe or even Butler. We don't need mediocre Players that give us nothing. We need a Superstar and our best/only chance for that is the draft.

Good luck turning Markkanen or Ntilikina into superstar material!
If we go the draft route we need to move Barnes and Curry for whatever we can get because we're talking a half decade at best getting to even mediocrity level going strictly by the draft.
And good luck attracting star caliber FAs going that route.

We never got any star in FA and we wont. SuperStars in FA only join Superteams. The only chance to get a Superstar is through the Draft. If we trade the pick we will continue to be mediocre for the next few Years.

And you just need to gamble and be lucky in the draft. Look at Giannis Antetekounmpo or Kawhi Leonard, they both went #15. There is nothing worse in the NBA than to be mediocre, that gets you nowhere!

I completely agree with what you are saying but with Barnes, Noel, Curry, Dirk, Wes, JJ, Brussino, DFS and some others we are going to be picking far enough down to keep us from having any decent chance at a superstar.
I do somewhat disagree that you can't get a budding superstar from a different team. Leonard was traded to the Spurs so the gamble can come through trades as well. Mavs seem to be pretty good at getting those type of players and did pretty well this season though it's tough to tell yet if any of them will turn out to be superstars.

[Jinra]

I guess Wolves and Kings have same idea as Mavs. Looks like we are stuck at #9.

[Mr B]

I guess Wolves and Kings have same idea as Mavs. Looks like we are stuck at #9.

The NBA still has a lottery right? So there's still a chance they could end up 7 or 8. Of course there's also a chance they could end up 10-11

[studcrackers]

I guess Wolves and Kings have same idea as Mavs. Looks like we are stuck at #9.

The NBA still has a lottery right? So there's still a chance they could end up 7 or 8. Of course there's also a chance they could end up 10-11

uh...we'll either be in the top 3 or picking 9th unless one of those 2 win a game

[Mr B]

I guess Wolves and Kings have same idea as Mavs. Looks like we are stuck at #9.

The NBA still has a lottery right? So there's still a chance they could end up 7 or 8. Of course there's also a chance they could end up 10-11

uh...we'll either be in the top 3 or picking 9th unless one of those 2 win a game

So no more lottery?

[studcrackers]

no there's a lottery. for the top 3 picks

[Mr B]

no there's a lottery. for the top 3 picks

Oh ok, I seriously wasn't 100% sure how that works. I thought all 14 teams that didn't make the playoffs were in the lottery.

[dmakk]

no there's a lottery. for the top 3 picks

Oh ok, I seriously wasn't 100% sure how that works. I thought all 14 teams that didn't make the playoffs were in the lottery.

They are all in the lottery. The prize is just the top 3 picks. The remaining picks are based on record. The Mavs currently won't draft higher than 9th unless they win the lottery. Theoretically, they could draft as low as 12th if 3 teams with worse records win the lottery.

[Pinkyring]

I guess Wolves and Kings have same idea as Mavs. Looks like we are stuck at #9.

The NBA still has a lottery right? So there's still a chance they could end up 7 or 8. Of course there's also a chance they could end up 10-11

uh...we'll either be in the top 3 or picking 9th unless one of those 2 win a game

I think we still have a chance at 7th or 8th, minny isnt tanking they just suck, i think the win tonight as okc will probably and should rest westbrook, sac also could beat phoenix in the tankathon of the night. We still have 2 lose the 2 though, and that Milwaukee win really hurt. We should have start the tank 2 weeks ago

[Jinra]

I think we still have a chance at 7th or 8th, minny isnt tanking they just suck, i think the win tonight as okc will probably and should rest westbrook, sac also could beat phoenix in the tankathon of the night. We still have 2 lose the 2 though, and that Milwaukee win really hurt. We should have start the tank 2 weeks ago

Yeah, I really didn't understand that Backs win, but I guess it was just more of the same.

[Mr B]

I heard this morning that the Blazers are locked into the 8th pick.

[Dirk]

I heard this morning that the Blazers are locked into the 8th pick.

8th pick? Or 8th spot? But yes... they are... Nuggets were eliminated after they blew a big lead against the Thunder who beat them on a last second Westbrook 3.

In other news... can the Wolves win a game...

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Of course, the Mavs need to not win another one if they are to profit from any of these other teams winning. Not sure how hard the Nuggets will play tonight. The Grizzlies will also play their bench tomorrow so who knows.

[Jinra]

I heard this morning that the Blazers are locked into the 8th pick.

8th pick? Or 8th spot? But yes... they are... Nuggets were eliminated after they blew a big lead against the Thunder who beat them on a last second Westbrook 3.

In other news... can the Wolves win a game...

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Of course, the Mavs need to not win another one if they are to profit from any of these other teams winning. Not sure how hard the Nuggets will play tonight. The Grizzlies will also play their bench tomorrow so who knows.

Nice, this is just what we need. Wolves should definitely win this one, even if they don't try.