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Re: Tankapolooza: UPDATED 4/6/17; 02:38 PM EST 

Post#1701 » by drsd » Sun Apr 9, 2017 7:24 pm

IllMagic04 wrote:Knicks lost today. So our next game vs the bulls is another big must lose game


The Magic is 1 1/2 games worse than the Knicks with 2 games left to play. The Knicks is 2 games up in the win column meaning the Magic need to win out to catch the Knicks.

What is interesting is that the Sixers play @NYKs to close out the season. This game is probable to effect the Magic ping pong balls with Philly.


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Re: Tankapolooza: UPDATED 4/6/17; 02:38 PM EST 

Post#1702 » by JF5 » Sun Apr 9, 2017 7:40 pm

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IllMagic04 wrote:Knicks lost today. So our next game vs the bulls is another big must lose game


The Magic is 1 1/2 games worse than the Knicks with 2 games left to play. The Knicks is 2 games up in the win column meaning the Magic need to win out to catch the Knicks.

What is interesting is that the Sixers play @NYKs to close out the season. This game is probable to effect the Magic ping pong balls with Philly.


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Didn't the Knicks win the Season series against the Magic? Even if the Magic manage to win the last two they'd still finish ahead of them in the lottery.
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Re: RE: Re: Tankapolooza: UPDATED 4/6/17; 02:38 PM EST 

Post#1703 » by The Effect » Sun Apr 9, 2017 7:41 pm

Airgordon00 wrote:I wish we would draft the best player available with all our picks and trade Evan Fournier, Vooch, dj off this team. Allowing the young guys to go out and figure out who is the alpha of the group.

Fournier is 24 and vuc is 25 i think
Who exactly are the young guys that they are taking time from? Hezonja and biyombo?
You want to take our top 2 scorers and replace them a guy who hasnt shown any nba skills and an undersized C with 0 offensive game and add them to 2 offensively challenged players like elf and gordon and you think that its going to make this team better??

Im sorry but thats a horrible idea.
Vuc is on a great contract, 0 point in trading him and fournier is the perfect 6th man. You can say we need to upgrade both spots, but we dont have an upgrade for either of those guys on the team right now
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Re: RE: Re: Tankapolooza: UPDATED 4/6/17; 02:38 PM EST 

Post#1704 » by pepe1991 » Sun Apr 9, 2017 8:12 pm

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Airgordon00 wrote:I wish we would draft the best player available with all our picks and trade Evan Fournier, Vooch, dj off this team. Allowing the young guys to go out and figure out who is the alpha of the group.

Fournier is 24 and vuc is 25 i think
Who exactly are the young guys that they are taking time from? Hezonja and biyombo?
You want to take our top 2 scorers and replace them a guy who hasnt shown any nba skills and an undersized C with 0 offensive game and add them to 2 offensively challenged players like elf and gordon and you think that its going to make this team better??

Im sorry but thats a horrible idea.
Vuc is on a great contract, 0 point in trading him and fournier is the perfect 6th man. You can say we need to upgrade both spots, but we dont have an upgrade for either of those guys on the team right now


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Re: Tankapolooza: UPDATED 4/6/17; 02:38 PM EST 

Post#1705 » by drsd » Sun Apr 9, 2017 8:19 pm

JF5 wrote:Didn't the Knicks win the Season series against the Magic? Even if the Magic manage to win the last two they'd still finish ahead of them in the lottery.


If the Knicks and Magic tie then they average out their lottery balls. A coin flip determines who gets the worst draft position if neither team goes top-3.


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Re: RE: Re: Tankapolooza: UPDATED 4/6/17; 02:38 PM EST 

Post#1706 » by VFX » Sun Apr 9, 2017 8:41 pm

The Effect wrote:
Airgordon00 wrote:I wish we would draft the best player available with all our picks and trade Evan Fournier, Vooch, dj off this team. Allowing the young guys to go out and figure out who is the alpha of the group.

Fournier is 24 and vuc is 25 i think
Who exactly are the young guys that they are taking time from? Hezonja and biyombo?
You want to take our top 2 scorers and replace them a guy who hasnt shown any nba skills and an undersized C with 0 offensive game and add them to 2 offensively challenged players like elf and gordon and you think that its going to make this team better??

Im sorry but thats a horrible idea.
Vuc is on a great contract, 0 point in trading him and fournier is the perfect 6th man. You can say we need to upgrade both spots, but we dont have an upgrade for either of those guys on the team right now


It's obvious the organization has invested in EP and AG up to this point regardless of their challenges.
They have shown considerable improvement as opposed to Vuc and Fournier.

This roster doesn't work,so who are the odd ones out if we need to change things up? In reality everyone should go, but we can't keep 4/5 starters on this roster and assume we will be significantly better than we are a year from now.
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Re: Tankapolooza: UPDATED 4/6/17; 02:38 PM EST 

Post#1707 » by Gomagic44 » Sun Apr 9, 2017 9:47 pm

Vuc has to go. Evan should join him. What could we get for them?


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Re: Tankapolooza: UPDATED 4/6/17; 02:38 PM EST 

Post#1708 » by axl_c_cool » Sun Apr 9, 2017 9:48 pm

Vucevic and Fournier are top level back ups, we don't know what we have in Hezonja and Biyombo is defensively at a high level, he can grow into a threat at least. That's why we should build the team with players in their role

Payton/Augustine
Ross/Fournier
Tatum/Hezonja
Gordon/??
Biyombo/Vucevic


Hezonja as a point forward off the bench working with Vucevic and Fournier off the ball could be really nice.




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Re: RE: Re: Tankapolooza: UPDATED 4/6/17; 02:38 PM EST 

Post#1709 » by j-ragg » Sun Apr 9, 2017 10:15 pm

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The Effect wrote:
Airgordon00 wrote:I wish we would draft the best player available with all our picks and trade Evan Fournier, Vooch, dj off this team. Allowing the young guys to go out and figure out who is the alpha of the group.

Fournier is 24 and vuc is 25 i think
Who exactly are the young guys that they are taking time from? Hezonja and biyombo?
You want to take our top 2 scorers and replace them a guy who hasnt shown any nba skills and an undersized C with 0 offensive game and add them to 2 offensively challenged players like elf and gordon and you think that its going to make this team better??

Im sorry but thats a horrible idea.
Vuc is on a great contract, 0 point in trading him and fournier is the perfect 6th man. You can say we need to upgrade both spots, but we dont have an upgrade for either of those guys on the team right now


It's obvious the organization has invested in EP and AG up to this point regardless of their challenges.
They have shown considerable improvement as opposed to Vuc and Fournier.

Agreed. And I wouldn't even want to trade them, but it feels like when the two of them are in the game, good luck getting FGAs. Fournier is a ball hog and Vuc is a good passer but hasn't met a mid range shot he's turned down. If we want the higher ceiling guys to get more comfortable offensively I think we have to see how they do with more responsibility.
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Re: Tankapolooza: UPDATED 4/6/17; 02:38 PM EST 

Post#1710 » by The Effect » Sun Apr 9, 2017 10:23 pm

axl_c_cool wrote:Vucevic and Fournier are top level back ups, we don't know what we have in Hezonja and Biyombo is defensively at a high level, he can grow into a threat at least. That's why we should build the team with players in their role


Biyombo can grow into what??
Hes been in the league 6 years and cant make anything outside of a dunk, what kind of threat is he going to grow into??
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Re: Tankapolooza: UPDATED 4/6/17; 02:38 PM EST 

Post#1711 » by axl_c_cool » Sun Apr 9, 2017 10:29 pm

The Effect wrote:
axl_c_cool wrote:Vucevic and Fournier are top level back ups, we don't know what we have in Hezonja and Biyombo is defensively at a high level, he can grow into a threat at least. That's why we should build the team with players in their role


Biyombo can grow into what??
Hes been in the league 6 years and cant make anything outside of a dunk, what kind of threat is he going to grow into??


He doesn't have to score to have a direct impact on offence. He sets very good screens and can develop his passing. Also he and has scored around the basket. Many teams have had 1 player who makes an impact how he hopefully will. He's still young, he'll grow


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Re: Tankapolooza: UPDATED 4/6/17; 02:38 PM EST 

Post#1712 » by Gomagic44 » Sun Apr 9, 2017 10:37 pm

We need to move on from our center being our highest scorer. It's not a winning formula.


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Re: Tankapolooza: UPDATED 4/6/17; 02:38 PM EST 

Post#1713 » by pepe1991 » Sun Apr 9, 2017 11:15 pm

axl_c_cool wrote:
The Effect wrote:
axl_c_cool wrote:Vucevic and Fournier are top level back ups, we don't know what we have in Hezonja and Biyombo is defensively at a high level, he can grow into a threat at least. That's why we should build the team with players in their role


Biyombo can grow into what??
Hes been in the league 6 years and cant make anything outside of a dunk, what kind of threat is he going to grow into??


He doesn't have to score to have a direct impact on offence. He sets very good screens and can develop his passing. Also he and has scored around the basket. Many teams have had 1 player who makes an impact how he hopefully will. He's still young, he'll grow


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Re: Tankapolooza: UPDATED 4/6/17; 02:38 PM EST 

Post#1714 » by Viper1500 » Mon Apr 10, 2017 12:16 am

Phoenix won, meaning they're tied with LAL again


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Re: Tankapolooza: UPDATED 4/6/17; 02:38 PM EST 

Post#1715 » by yoyojw17 » Mon Apr 10, 2017 12:24 am

With the Knick playing a lineup with only one player i actually know.... hope this bodes well for the last game against philly. *knocks on wood*
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Re: Tankapolooza: UPDATED 4/6/17; 02:38 PM EST 

Post#1716 » by yoyojw17 » Mon Apr 10, 2017 12:42 am

With so many teams bunched together in the fight for draft lottery position, a myth has started to emerge on Fear the Sword. And that myth is that the Cavaliers can "win" a tiebreaker against a team such as the Toronto Raptors by virtue of losing 3 of the 4 games against them this season.

That is 100% false. Here's how the NBA does tiebreakers for the NBA Draft Lottery:

In the event that teams finish with the same record, each tied team receives the average of the total number of combinations for the positions that they occupy. In 2007, the Minnesota Timberwolves and the Portland Trail Blazers tied for the sixth worst record. The average of the 6th and 7th positions in the lottery was taken, resulting in each team getting 53 combinations (the average of 63 and 43). Should the average number not be an integer, a coin flip is then used to determine which team or teams receive the extra combination(s). The result of the coin flip is also used to determine who receives the earlier pick in the event that neither of the tied teams wins one of the first three picks via the lottery.


http://www.fearthesword.com/2012/4/23/2970645/the-rules-of-the-nba-draft-lottery-tiebreaker

I was believing a myth for a bit.... but this is also good to know.
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Post#1717 » by Airgordon00 » Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:09 am

The Effect wrote:
Airgordon00 wrote:I wish we would draft the best player available with all our picks and trade Evan Fournier, Vooch, dj off this team. Allowing the young guys to go out and figure out who is the alpha of the group.

Fournier is 24 and vuc is 25 i think
Who exactly are the young guys that they are taking time from? Hezonja and biyombo?
You want to take our top 2 scorers and replace them a guy who hasnt shown any nba skills and an undersized C with 0 offensive game and add them to 2 offensively challenged players like elf and gordon and you think that its going to make this team better??

Im sorry but thats a horrible idea.
Vuc is on a great contract, 0 point in trading him and fournier is the perfect 6th man. You can say we need to upgrade both spots, but we dont have an upgrade for either of those guys on the team right now

I feel like with vooch and Evan here Gordon or elf will never be able to reach there true potential. I think vooch and Evan are good players don't get me wrong but we don't have a true star to put them in there place as far as pecking order goes. If we allowed Gordon or elf to take the alpha role or roles then we might get more out of them in the long run. I just don't see us winning a championship with vooch and Evan in our starting lineup they are just to weak defensively.
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Re: Tankapolooza: UPDATED 4/6/17; 02:38 PM EST 

Post#1718 » by PrimeThyme » Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:23 am

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IllMagic04 wrote:Knicks lost today. So our next game vs the bulls is another big must lose game

Its at their home and they are in a critical must-win state after that loss to the Nets. I think we will drop that one and end up winning the last game vs DET. That will eliminate us from the 6th best odds and guarantee a 4-5 best. I think that last game will be won by Philly which will put us in that tiebreaker/coin flip for the 4th or 5th best odds. Just knowing that we have a guaranteed top 6 pick and coming out with one of Fultz,Ball,Jackson,Tatum,SmithJr, or Isaac brings some peace of mind.

Detroit is playing much better as of late since they changed up their rotations and just beat two playoff teams (Houston, Memphis). I wouldn't pencil that in a win. I think we will drop our last two and still end up tied with Philly.
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Re: Tankapolooza: UPDATED 4/6/17; 02:38 PM EST 

Post#1719 » by OrlandoDream » Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:41 am

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IllMagic04 wrote:Knicks lost today. So our next game vs the bulls is another big must lose game

Its at their home and they are in a critical must-win state after that loss to the Nets. I think we will drop that one and end up winning the last game vs DET. That will eliminate us from the 6th best odds and guarantee a 4-5 best. I think that last game will be won by Philly which will put us in that tiebreaker/coin flip for the 4th or 5th best odds. Just knowing that we have a guaranteed top 6 pick and coming out with one of Fultz,Ball,Jackson,Tatum,SmithJr, or Isaac brings some peace of mind.

Detroit is playing much better as of late since they changed up their rotations and just beat two playoff teams (Houston, Memphis). I wouldn't pencil that in a win. I think we will drop our last two and still end up tied with Philly.

Maybe but teams like Houston and Memphis aren't playing their best ball the last few games. They have their playoff spot locked so not much more motivation to beat a lottery team. As long as we finish top5, I'm good.
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Re: Tankapolooza: UPDATED 4/6/17; 02:38 PM EST 

Post#1720 » by Howard Mass » Mon Apr 10, 2017 3:51 am

Lakers just won at The Buzzer with a three pointer that trickled out, up and then back in.

If Lakers win one of next two or Phoenix loses their finale, The Lakers clinch the 3rd best lottery odds.
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