There could be light at the end of the SVG tunnel..

[Uncle Mxy]

I came here to say the same thing. San Fransisco is a huge draw for anyone that enjoys 76 and sunny 350 days out of the year...

Clearly, you've never been to San Francisco.

[russkopp]

I came here to say the same thing. San Fransisco is a huge draw for anyone that enjoys 76 and sunny 350 days out of the year...

Clearly, you've never been to San Francisco.

Ok, San Francisco w/ mid 60s and some fog/drizzle that leads to sun then sometimes goes back to fog.

Forgiveness please. Most of my world knowledge comes from Carmen San Diego...oh. Fudge.

I meant San Diego.

[Pharaoh]

I know the league is soft now. I do realize that you can't have Motor City Bad Boys from the late '80s and early '90s but to adapt and make something similar in 2017+ is possible. Detroit 2004 team is also a model to look at.

Defense wins championships - so the focus should be on the defensive end. I like the way the Jazz or the Grizzlies play defense now. Toughness, grind, grit. Is it too much to ask for that or at least to wish for it.

Why didn't Detroit go all in for DMC? Better to have him and his +/- than this current lazy player Detroit calls franchise center.
Why Lance Stephenson and James Johnson? They play hard and they were worth pursuing.

Of all players only Harris and KCP are cool. Detroit needs to keep them, the rest can go.

There were stages of this season where we were above average defensively vs the league...top 12 at one stage IIRC

The problem is our personnel doesn't mesh to form one cohesive unit on either end of the floor!

We should have given our pick & RJ for Rubio...or Drummond & our pick for Cousins and then RJ to Orlando for DJ & Green.

Either/or both deals would have changed this team from passive to aggressive...

IMO the failure to land Rubio is the biggest mistake this season. He would have made an epic difference on both ends

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IMO - biggest mistake this season was not pursuing DMC harder. Sacto are a joke organization and it would be possible easy.

DeMarcus Cousins is a real franchise center and TOP 3 in the league.

Didn't we offer Drummond for Cousins back in November?

We can argue if we should have included our pick as well but a straight up deal was a good offer then all things considered

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[tmorgan]

I came here to say the same thing. San Fransisco is a huge draw for anyone that enjoys 76 and sunny 350 days out of the year...

Your premise isn't wrong, but your numbers are.

Try 65 and partly cloudy (or somewhat sunny) 250 days a year, scattered showers 90 days a year (and still around 65 degrees), with 25 or so days of the weather you mentioned, mid 70's and sunny.

The weather here ain't all that, at least not in the city itself. The Warriors are about to move into the city. It's a little better in Oakland (current location), and a lot warmer for a good portion of the year once you get 30 miles inland.

The weather you described is a lot more like San Diego, which is the place that SHOULD be ridiculously expensive, because their weather is 100% better. 75-80 and sunny a good portion of the time.

[tmorgan]

I came here to say the same thing. San Fransisco is a huge draw for anyone that enjoys 76 and sunny 350 days out of the year...

Clearly, you've never been to San Francisco.

Ok, San Francisco w/ mid 60s and some fog/drizzle that leads to sun then sometimes goes back to fog.

Forgiveness please. Most of my world knowledge comes from Carmen San Diego...oh. Fudge.

I meant San Diego.

Darn, I should have read to the end of the thread first. Apologies.

[Manocad]

The city of Detroit sucks. No player is ever going to have a desire to play here based on it's geographic or economical location. The only way we can attract a top tier FA if luring them with another one. The only likely way we ever get one if by finally hitting in the lottery.

1. Professional athletes playing for Detroit teams don't live in the city of Detroit. Not to mention that the only part of the city they'd have to be exposed to is the nicest part of the city. What drew big name free agents to the Pistons in the Bad Boy years? Pontiac and Auburn Hills? LOL
2. They live in Oakland County which still has the 24th highest income per capita in the entire US, and that's with Pontiac thrown in there. There are MANY neighborhoods suitable for millionaire athletes.
3. They're millionaire athletes. Like they give a **** about the local economy?
4. The Detroit Red Wings have signed plenty of star free agents over the years.
5. The Green Bay Packers. Ever been to Green Bay?

Maybe you're a city of Detroit hater; I don't know. But saying the city itself relative to either its geographical location or local economy is the problem is laughable. When you show that you've built an organization capable of consistently contending (San Antonio) you'll have no problem drawing good players.

Key word: winning organization

[ImHeisenberg]

Maybe you're a city of Detroit hater; I don't know. But saying the city itself relative to either its geographical location or local economy is the problem is laughable. When you show that you've built an organization capable of consistently contending (San Antonio) you'll have no problem drawing good players.

Key word: winning organization

I'm not going to disagree with what you said. The point I was making was that Detroit in of itself isn't going to attract free agents like LA, NY, Miami or the Bay Area will.

You're right, a winning organization is what attracts stars, or at least good players. San Antonio has enjoyed a trio of Duncan, Parker and Ginobili for over a decade, and the rise of Leonard. They develop so much talent there, it's really impressive. The Pistons have almost become the antithesis of the Spurs.

[Manocad]

Maybe you're a city of Detroit hater; I don't know. But saying the city itself relative to either its geographical location or local economy is the problem is laughable. When you show that you've built an organization capable of consistently contending (San Antonio) you'll have no problem drawing good players.

Key word: winning organization

I'm not going to disagree with what you said. The point I was making was that Detroit in of itself isn't going to attract free agents like LA, NY, Miami or the Bay Area will.

You're right, a winning organization is what attracts stars, or at least good players. San Antonio has enjoyed a trio of Duncan, Parker and Ginobili for over a decade, and the rise of Leonard. They develop so much talent there, it's really impressive. The Pistons have almost become the antithesis of the Spurs.

Show me a consistently non-winning team in a great climate with a great local economy that draws top free agents.

How many top free agents are running to Dallas, Phoenix and Atlanta?

It's not the cities that draw the stars. It's the chance to win a championship.