Who do you want to keep?

[Blkbrd671]

Provide a explanation for who'd you trade and who'd you keep

RJ
KCP
Mook
Leur
Dre

Ish
SJ
Tobias
Bullock
Boban

Beno
Hilliard
Bullock
Ellenson
Binje

SVG

[Blkbrd671]

Keep:

KCP- Have to , while the money may seem a lot, much like RJ's contract this eventually will look like a bargain. He's a young 2 way SG that has developed EVERY SINGLE SEASON since he's been in the league. Pay him now and trade him later if need be.

Mook- Hard one for me, but i think we keep Mook, we need experience and toughness on both sides. Mook brings that. If we keep him, i would really really look hard on getting Markief

Dre- I hope we dont' trade him and ultimately i think what will be the final straw is if Andre's attitude continues to be that of entitlement. I think play wise, Dre just needs someone to lead him to bringing that energy. Defensively he can be a game changer for our franchise and his development is our quickest route to contention.

SJ- horrid season, but i also think a impactful one. I think SJ is so used to everything being so easy for him and this season has taught him that he need still needs to get better.

Ellenson- What this team needs is skilled players and that is what ellenson is. I really think when ellenson ends his rookie contract we are all going to be like, F* i didn't realize King Henry was going to be that good. Defensively he looks more agile than i would have thought. He's also a tough player. I hope that SVG doesn't trade him

Tobias- For now i'd definitely keep TH, his contracts a bargain and he's a phenomenal player. Problem is that we are stacked at the forward spot and if do need to make a trade , i feel TH would have to be included. My dream would be some form of 1st rounders+TH+ ...........for Butler.

Boban- Unless we are getting something significantly better, i think Boban has earned his opportunity to be our back up. He's played in a small sample size against questionable tier competition. i don't think defensively he's going to be able to match baynes, but hopefully his presence around the rim makes up for that.

Ish- Basically the same as boban, if we can find someone better, do it, but chances are we won't. Love Ish's play, i hope he stays healthy

Bullock- I have a feeling we'll be outpriced for RB, but if we could, i'd keep him. He brings elite 3 point shooting, i don't think we've had a better shooter than RB.

Trade:

RJ-- To be clear, its not that i don't think RJ is going to return to form, but i don't think his style of play fits SVG's system. This offseason is going to determine a lot, as he's shown the ability to be that player but not the desire. In a NBA in which the PG position is loaded and this draft is bringing even more prospects, i think if we can get good value for RJ, we move forward. Dream scenario would RJ+TH+1st for Butler

Leur- If we keep Leur it won't be the worst thing, but i think Mentally he's still developing and unfortunately on this team, so is everyone else. I think he needs to go to a team that has more experience. Again if we could get Markieff , leur would have to go.

Rest: great players but realistically not going to change our franchise

[GSR121]

Honestly I don't think we have any "untouchable" Players on this team. THere is no one I would not trade for the right offer. But I am fairly down on this team right now so take it with a grain of sand..

RJ: Let him go! Trade him for what ever you can get without taking back negative assets or adding picks.

KCP: I'd love to have him back but the cost will be to high. He is not worth a max deal and thats what it will take. If we are going to blow it up, I can't see adding a max deal to start the process. He is a very good, but not great player, Not consistent enough on offense. He would be a great piece if we were looking for a guy to put us over the top but we are a long way from that point. As difficult as it is, I have to let him walk.

Mook: Keep, he is a decent player on a great contract. unless we get a surprisingly good offer.

Leur: Keep, Ok player, Ok contract.

Dre: Trade him if we can get something good, Young players and draft picks. I don't think he will ever be a superstar but I would not trade him for scraps. Maybe a new coach can light a fire under him? (doubt it)

Ish: Keep has been good for us. Can start on a rebuilding team unless we get an upgrade.

SJ: Ok either way. Nothing special so far...

Tobias: Possibly our best trade asset. I am ok keeping him but I'd be looking to move him for the right deal!

Bullock: Keep, Decent player small contract.

Boban: I think we over paid. And we are stuck with him no matter what. Will get worn out quick if forced to play big minutes on a consistent basis.

Beno: Don't care nothing special, decent 3rd string pg.

Hilliard: Keep, Good guy on a cheap deal.

Ellenson: Keep, see what we've got.

Binje: Keep, have not seen enough to tell yet.

SVG: Keep as a GM only. If he can concentrate as a GM I think he will be an asset. As a coach he needs to go. Get a guy that is good at developing young players and see what he can do with what we have.

[JohnReese]

PG-Ish-Udrih
KCP-SG-Hilliard
Stanley-Morris-Gbinije
Harris-Leuer-PF
C-Ellenson-Marjanovic

Fill the gaps with defense and shooting and I wouldn't have a problem trading Leuer, Morris and Harris for the right price.

[dVs33]

There's zero untouchables on the team that for sure. I'll break it into "annoyed if traded unless return is great", " meh" and " please go away"
Group 1
Tobias- I'm a fan. He's our most well rounded offensive player, he's young, he plays with energy and he's still developing. Unless he's part of a package to net a star I would love to keep him and expand his role.
KCP- I'm a fan. Plays with heart, 2 way, young, continues to develop. Keep him
Stanley- see KCP description. Much further to go in development though.
Ellenson- from the little I've seen of him, I like a lot of it. Could be a handy guy soon.
Dre- I hate him so much. He has to be one of the most frustrating players in the league. The problem is he can be amazing. We just need to get a leader for him to follow.
Morris- purely contract. You can't get that kind of production on that deal anywhere. I like his attitude. I think he's another guy that would flourish next to a proper number 1 guy.

Group 2
Ish- I'm a big fan of ish as a person. He seems like a great guy. his play is good, but I would happily trade him for an upgrade. I really wish he was backing up a better player. I like ish off the bench.
Hilliard/Gbinije/bullock- they don't cost anything and they could be useful. They could also be awful. Who knows? Who cares?
Leuer- leuer started great and has since dropped off. He is the type of player that should do well next to Dre, but has had mixed results. His deal is decent so I'm not fussed if he stays or not.
Boban- I like boban, but he can only play in certain situations.
Beno- I like me a traditional pg and beno is that. Not sure how much he has left though.

Group 3
Reggie- I was skeptical when he came here and while I did enjoy him when he played well, I feel like I was right to doubt him. He's too one dimensional and he's not able to do what he's good at anymore. I think we need a change.

[Pharaoh]

RJ - good place to start since I want him gone regardless of what we take back.

It's not about value it's about the system we deploy with him! Pounding the air outta the ball causes stagnation offensively and that in turn means dudes get the ball in the wrong place at the wrong time.

That causes them to then pout or check out defensively and that combined with the stagnant offense results in our current situation.

So step 1 to fixing the problem is changing the offensive system and the key to that system is Reggie Jackson. Move him out!

KCP - match the best offer sheet he can get because young 2-way players are not only hard to get they're worth keeping!

Mook - cheap as and while I'm not a fan of iso-ball it's hard to get value for such a cheap contract. I'd try though

Leur - decent guy on a decent contract. If he's not part of a trade package I'm ok with bringing him back - just lock him in the gym to work on his long range bombs

Dre - hire a sports psychologist to work out WTF is going on inside his head and that would determine if I trade him or not. I'd dangle him to see what's out there though - you never know what you might get offered

Ish - keep 100%

SJ - unleash the Stanimal

Tobias - keep 100%

Bullock - would love to see him healthy for a season so I'd see if he'd come back

Boban - keep but play him more than we have this season just to see what we've really got

Ellenson - keep 100% and get him more playing time

Beno, Hilliard, Benji - irrelevant to the bigger picture IMHO

SVG - keep and see if he can hire a more modern coach

[ImHeisenberg]

Nobody.

I'd trade anyone in a good deal. I like some of the players on this team, but I'd ship them out in a good deal without question.

I don't know if we'll make any big changes this summer though. SVG seems determined not to take a step backward in any trade.

[Joe Berry]

Nobody.

I'd trade anyone in a good deal. I like some of the players on this team, but I'd ship them out in a good deal without question.

I don't know if we'll make any big changes this summer though. SVG seems determined not to take a step backward in any trade.

This, but the Pistons should not make trades just to make big changes this summer. The guys i want gone like Reggie, Drummond and Morris are probably at an all time low trade value right now. Giving them away or worse taking back bad contracts and/or guys who don't fit the rest doesn't make sense. This team still lacks talent and it won't come through the draft or free agency. The trade option is the best option they have got and if no good deal is available the best option really might be to stay put and do minor tweaks.
I know everyone is really frustrated with how the season went and i want a big change too but this might not be the best option going forward.
It will be an interesting offseason in any case, anything is possible.

[313 Professor]

Only players I want for sure are Ish, Hilliard, Stanley, Morris, Tobias, Boban, Ellenson, and probably Leuer (mainly because I think we're stuck with his contract).

Reggie and Drummond both have to be either traded for good value (Drummond) or truly downgraded to the bench as 6th/7th men (Reggie).

We don't have enough playmakers on the roster to justify re-signing KCP. Hopefully we can sign & trade him. If not I'm fine losing him because of his offensive limitations.

Baynes might get expensive so he probably has to go.

Marcus Morris and Tobias can lead the team next year I think both can be fringe All-Stars with increased offensive usage. Let Stanley and Hilliard dribble and make plays with Ish. For the other holes hopefully via trades we can plug those.

Never posted at 5:50 AM off of zero sleep so I'll probably edit this post in the morning lol

[Blkbrd671]

There's zero untouchables on the team that for sure. I'll break it into "annoyed if traded unless return is great", " meh" and " please go away"
Group 1
Tobias- I'm a fan. He's our most well rounded offensive player, he's young, he plays with energy and he's still developing. Unless he's part of a package to net a star I would love to keep him and expand his role.
KCP- I'm a fan. Plays with heart, 2 way, young, continues to develop. Keep him
Stanley- see KCP description. Much further to go in development though.
Ellenson- from the little I've seen of him, I like a lot of it. Could be a handy guy soon.
Dre- I hate him so much. He has to be one of the most frustrating players in the league. The problem is he can be amazing. We just need to get a leader for him to follow.
Morris- purely contract. You can't get that kind of production on that deal anywhere. I like his attitude. I think he's another guy that would flourish next to a proper number 1 guy.

Group 2
Ish- I'm a big fan of ish as a person. He seems like a great guy. his play is good, but I would happily trade him for an upgrade. I really wish he was backing up a better player. I like ish off the bench.
Hilliard/Gbinije/bullock- they don't cost anything and they could be useful. They could also be awful. Who knows? Who cares?
Leuer- leuer started great and has since dropped off. He is the type of player that should do well next to Dre, but has had mixed results. His deal is decent so I'm not fussed if he stays or not.
Boban- I like boban, but he can only play in certain situations.
Beno- I like me a traditional pg and beno is that. Not sure how much he has left though.

Group 3
Reggie- I was skeptical when he came here and while I did enjoy him when he played well, I feel like I was right to doubt him. He's too one dimensional and he's not able to do what he's good at anymore. I think we need a change.

for shitz

Tobias
KCP
SJ
Ellenson
Dre
Mook

You have to trade 2 of those players , who goes?

lets assume the return is a core player

[dVs33]

There's zero untouchables on the team that for sure. I'll break it into "annoyed if traded unless return is great", " meh" and " please go away"
Group 1
Tobias- I'm a fan. He's our most well rounded offensive player, he's young, he plays with energy and he's still developing. Unless he's part of a package to net a star I would love to keep him and expand his role.
KCP- I'm a fan. Plays with heart, 2 way, young, continues to develop. Keep him
Stanley- see KCP description. Much further to go in development though.
Ellenson- from the little I've seen of him, I like a lot of it. Could be a handy guy soon.
Dre- I hate him so much. He has to be one of the most frustrating players in the league. The problem is he can be amazing. We just need to get a leader for him to follow.
Morris- purely contract. You can't get that kind of production on that deal anywhere. I like his attitude. I think he's another guy that would flourish next to a proper number 1 guy.

Group 2
Ish- I'm a big fan of ish as a person. He seems like a great guy. his play is good, but I would happily trade him for an upgrade. I really wish he was backing up a better player. I like ish off the bench.
Hilliard/Gbinije/bullock- they don't cost anything and they could be useful. They could also be awful. Who knows? Who cares?
Leuer- leuer started great and has since dropped off. He is the type of player that should do well next to Dre, but has had mixed results. His deal is decent so I'm not fussed if he stays or not.
Boban- I like boban, but he can only play in certain situations.
Beno- I like me a traditional pg and beno is that. Not sure how much he has left though.

Group 3
Reggie- I was skeptical when he came here and while I did enjoy him when he played well, I feel like I was right to doubt him. He's too one dimensional and he's not able to do what he's good at anymore. I think we need a change.

for ****

Tobias
KCP
SJ
Ellenson
Dre
Mook

You have to trade 2 of those players , who goes?

lets assume the return is a core player

I'd package mook and Drummond for a genuine star. I don't know who that would be, but those two would be my first choice to move. Mooks deal should return something pretty good.

[Pharaoh]

I'd trade Dre & Mook of that group

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[BadMofoPimp]

KCP and Harris. Mook too if we think he can be resigned for $15m per or less. Everyone else could be exchanged.

[Finn McCool]

Aron Baynes will use his option and head to Free Agency - - - GONE.

KCP and his agent will seek max. Anything $19 million or above and he can walk. I'm not matching - - - GONE.

Marcus Morris' contract is hopefully added to sweeten a deal to offload Reggie Jackson. Morris and Jackson - - - GONE.

Darrun Hilliard's contract is up. Michael Gbinije will become the new reserve SG. Hilliard - - - GONE.


Tobias Harris is the most welcomed back player on the team - - - STAYS.

Ish Smith can run the 2nd unt squad and fill in as a starter. Decent contract - - - STAYS.

Boban Marjanovic will become more important as Baynes hits Free Agency - - - STAYS.

Jon Leuer battles with Henry Ellenson for hierarchy - - - both STAY.

Beno Udrih can still play efficiently enough for my liking - - - STAYS.

Reggie Bullock remains the back-up SG unless Gbinije shockingly unseats him. Bullock - - - STAYS.

Andre Drummond: What can I say? I've disliked this dude since I watched him at UConn and heard that 'lethargy' stuff about him. However, since the fool paid him big money, might as well keep him around and see if the coach can't spark some genuine desire from him. His value took a significant hit. I want to see how he performs when his cronies are sent packing and there's no shoulder to cry on, or some other dumb punk who enables his pouting. And if I knew for certain Stanley Johnson was his chum, I'd trade him, too. Drummond - - - STAYS. But becomes the riskiest choice of the bunch.

Michael Gbinije is a mystery. Really don't know what he's capable of in terms of prospective talent. Perhaps he could see more NBA minutes to see what's there - - - STAYS.


That leaves Stanley Johnson. If he's tight with Drummond? - - - TRADE. Those two hanging out would be like ...

[Pharaoh]

This works on the "machine":

Dre, RJ & Mook to Cavs

Frye, Thompson & Felder to DET

Shump & Cavs first to Brooklyn to make it happen.

We go:

Thompson/Bobo
Jon Boy/King
SJ/Harris
KCP/Bull
Ish/Felder

Tank hard...Cavs decline starts when LeBron retires...they hope in the meantime Lebron can light a fire in Dre.

If anyone can get RJ to toe the line it's LeBron

Mook gives them another defender at forward so Lebron gets the easier assignment

Dre/Love
Love/Mook/Lebron
Lebron/Mook/Korver
Korver/JR/RJ
Irving/RJ

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[The Penguin]

This works on the "machine":

Dre, RJ & Mook to Cavs

Frye, Thompson & Felder to DET

Shump & Cavs first to Brooklyn to make it happen.

We go:

Thompson/Bobo
Jon Boy/King
SJ/Harris
KCP/Bull
Ish/Felder

Tank hard...Cavs decline starts when LeBron retires...they hope in the meantime Lebron can light a fire in Dre.

If anyone can get RJ to toe the line it's LeBron

Mook gives them another defender at forward so Lebron gets the easier assignment

Dre/Love
Love/Mook/Lebron
Lebron/Mook/Korver
Korver/JR/RJ
Irving/RJ

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Back away from the trade machine. We don't need to do the Cavs any favors. This deal hands them the Central and maybe even the Eastern conference for a decade.

[Canadafan]

There's zero untouchables on the team that for sure. I'll break it into "annoyed if traded unless return is great", " meh" and " please go away"
Group 1
Tobias- I'm a fan. He's our most well rounded offensive player, he's young, he plays with energy and he's still developing. Unless he's part of a package to net a star I would love to keep him and expand his role.
KCP- I'm a fan. Plays with heart, 2 way, young, continues to develop. Keep him
Stanley- see KCP description. Much further to go in development though.
Ellenson- from the little I've seen of him, I like a lot of it. Could be a handy guy soon.
Dre- I hate him so much. He has to be one of the most frustrating players in the league. The problem is he can be amazing. We just need to get a leader for him to follow.
Morris- purely contract. You can't get that kind of production on that deal anywhere. I like his attitude. I think he's another guy that would flourish next to a proper number 1 guy.

Group 2
Ish- I'm a big fan of ish as a person. He seems like a great guy. his play is good, but I would happily trade him for an upgrade. I really wish he was backing up a better player. I like ish off the bench.
Hilliard/Gbinije/bullock- they don't cost anything and they could be useful. They could also be awful. Who knows? Who cares?
Leuer- leuer started great and has since dropped off. He is the type of player that should do well next to Dre, but has had mixed results. His deal is decent so I'm not fussed if he stays or not.
Boban- I like boban, but he can only play in certain situations.
Beno- I like me a traditional pg and beno is that. Not sure how much he has left though.

Group 3
Reggie- I was skeptical when he came here and while I did enjoy him when he played well, I feel like I was right to doubt him. He's too one dimensional and he's not able to do what he's good at anymore. I think we need a change.

for ****

Tobias
KCP
SJ
Ellenson
Dre
Mook

You have to trade 2 of those players , who goes?

lets assume the return is a core player

I'd do Ellenson and Morris and our pick for Wiggins
Minny wouldn't though. But ya I'd trade those 2 and try to get a swingman that can shoot

[The Penguin]

Trade:

RJ - He has a terrible attitude and is a virus, cut him out however possible, PG is the deepest position in the league and we are giving major money to one of the worst starters in the entire league.

Mook - He's going to be 28 when the season starts, I know that's only slightly older than the rest of our current "core", but his value might be at it's highest and he should give a decent return, either a late 1st or allow us to move up in the draft (he's on Orlando's dry erase board, perhaps our pick + Morris + ??? to move up to get one of De'Arron Fox or Dennis Smith).


"Not Retain":

Baynes - We are paying Boban for a reason.



Moving those 3 guys off the cap would give us enough room to go after a wing who can shoot (Bogdanovic at the high end, Korver or Morrow as strictly role guy, or Ben McLemore if we want to roll the dice on a younger guy) before we go over the cap to retain KCP and keeps us from going deep into the tax.

It would be great if we could bring in a respected vet like David West to provide another voice motivating Dre, but I'm just not sure who on the market would be that guy (most of those type of guys want to be on the end of the Cavs / Spurs / Warriors roster to try and get a ring).


Keep:

Dre / Boban
Harris / Leuer / Ellenson
Stanley / (Harris)
KCP / FA (Bogdanovic - McLemore - Morrow - Korver) / Hilliard
Ish / Rookie ( Fox / Smith using Mook to move our pick up) / Gbinjie


Let Stanley sink or swim with starters minutes. If he drowns, we can always shift to a Leuer / Harris forward alignment, but it's time he gets his chance for better or worse.


As for Dre - If someone wants to come in an give us elite value for him, I'm not saying no, but some of these sell low trade offers people are making on here are utterly ridiculous. I'd rather cut out Reggie and get him out of his ear, go very young around him and hope he turns it around. We have him under contract for 4 years, if he doesn't make progress in a year or two then we can reevaluate, but he's not a guy who "must go" at this point.

[Ghost]

Well, I'm probably going to come off as insane.

Keep:
KCP - Two-way wing that hustles and has been improving. He's worth the gambling on and seeing if he can turn into an all-star or fringe all-star being the man with Harris.
Mook - like his attitude and leadership being one of the older players on the roster. His contract is gold.
Leur - had a down year but I think he'll bounce back. Plus, I want Ellenson to see what he needs to be doing from someone.
Ish - loved him running the point because he just gets people involved and plays with nice pace. He can bridge start while we groom a rookie or just be the starter till we trade or sign a upgrade.
SJ - still hoping he figures it all out.
Tobias - should start and be the top option next to KCP next year.
Boban - should have a larger role, let's see if the PER monster can hold up over lots of minutes.
Ellenson - increase role and if he earns it let him cut into Leur's minutes. Might need another year though.
Hillard - see if he can stay healthy. Small contract so might as well keep him since he's a nice shooter.
SVG - giving him time... I really don't want another coach swap. He's the best one we have had in forever.

Trade:
RJ - defense is atrocious, worried about the knees and conditioning. Move on.
Dre - I just can't get over the FT and now I question his fire.

Waive:
Binje - open up a roster spot. Would rather have a veteran take his place that could serve as a mentor.

Wait-and-See:
Bullock - if we can keep on the cheap I want to keep him. I like what he does.
Beno - getting up there in age, I wouldn't mind if he came back if there's not really a better option as our #3 PG. It's not really a worry for me.

Hopefully we could dump RJ, I don't really care for what. As for Drummond, we should get a nice package. Maybe the Celtics or Lakers could toss together something for us involving a top pick. Then we could draft a PG high up with that pick and a big with our selection.

[The Penguin]

Hopefully we could dump RJ, I don't really care for what. As for Drummond, we should get a nice package. Maybe the Celtics or Lakers could toss together something for us involving a top pick. Then we could draft a PG high up with that pick and a big with our selection.

I just don't think the value is near there on Drummond currently. I think the Celtics are content to continue to build a young core and take over the East in a couple of seasons and I think the Lakers are going all out for a "star", Dre doesn't qualify as that. Boogie was dealt for a protected pick that is going to end up being pick ~10 and Buddy Hield. I know Boogie scared plenty of people off, but the same reason some of us want Dre gone at all costs is the same reason we are going to get garbage offers from other teams, it's not like his motivation and free throw shooting (among other things) is a secret and we can pull a fast one.

I can almost get there on trading Dre and a few other pieces for Butler, though I think that move seems like a Dumars move and we are just stubbornly bashing our head against the wall on an older team with still no real hope at winning a title.

Dre certainly has his issues, but he still remains our only real hope at a "franchise" level player. His upside is still sky high if he were to get paired with an elite perimeter player, they were surrounded by shooters and someone was able to get through to him on the type of player he could and should become. I'm not ready to hand that over for a bag of nickles because we are frustrated about finishing 10th instead of 4th.