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GT: The Nets @ Boston Celtics - Monday, 04/10/17 7:30pm EST

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Re: GT: The Nets @ Boston Celtics - Monday, 04/10/17 7:30pm EST 

Post#201 » by RealHusky » Tue Apr 11, 2017 2:24 am

sprost wrote:RHJ has blinders on going to the rim too often, as good as he was this game.
When he has some great moves/plays like today, gets excited and attempts to do a bit too much i.e. ugly TO at the end.
Don't know why Kenny allows that.
RHJ I think has NBA starter talent but needs to know his role.
No excuse this game for his taking 15 shots to Lin's 9.
The rookies and Foye rarely look to get the ball in Lin's hands enough (or even Lopez' hands enough).
Nets next year need to find a way to set up Lin's shot more and look to kick back to Lin more often to ball handle/pass (more "motion" in this "motion offense"), they're best when the ball keeps rotating back to the PG, instead goes back to Lin generally only when stuck, Lin largely must create his own shot.
Yes, I'm a Lin fan, but thats also truth.


These guys when they are in trouble need to look for their PG or Lin. I thought the young guys played hard, but made some bonehead plays at key moments. Lin still needs to have the ball in his hand during key moment of the game. Hopefully, young guys will watch films and learn about their mistakes. KA needs to make it simple for them: when you are in trouble, just throw the ball to Lin.
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Re: GT: The Nets @ Boston Celtics - Monday, 04/10/17 7:30pm EST 

Post#202 » by TheSparkleKing » Tue Apr 11, 2017 2:25 am

MrDollarBills wrote:
bws94 wrote:RHJ's stats?


17pts 11rebs 3asts 4stls 2blks 8-8FTS 1-2 3PT

downside? 4-15 FG, 3 TOs.

I'll take it. Especially in about 2 years this type of output comes with maturity, added muscle, and experience.


The big problem I have with the FG attempts, is that alot of them were bad shots on iso planes where he didn't look for anyone. Everything else I loved (well maybe not the turnovers)
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Re: GT: The Nets @ Boston Celtics - Monday, 04/10/17 7:30pm EST 

Post#203 » by Roy Tarpley » Tue Apr 11, 2017 2:34 am

sprost wrote:RHJ has blinders on going to the rim too often, as good as he was this game.
When he has some great moves/plays like today, gets excited and attempts to do a bit too much i.e. ugly TO at the end.
Don't know why Kenny allows that.
RHJ I think has NBA starter talent but needs to know his role.
No excuse this game for his taking 15 shots to Lin's 9.
The rookies and Foye rarely look to get the ball in Lin's hands enough (or even Lopez' hands enough).
Nets next year need to find a way to set up Lin's shot more and look to kick back to Lin more often to ball handle/pass (more "motion" in this "motion offense"), they're best when the ball keeps rotating back to the PG, instead goes back to Lin generally only when stuck, Lin largely must create his own shot.
Yes, I'm a Lin fan, but thats also truth.


Well, if you take into account free throw attempts, with 2 FTA = 1 FGA, then it was more like RHJ's 19 shots to Lin's 17 shots. Not a big imbalance. And it's hard to fault RHJ's aggressiveness, especially when he gets to the line. If anything, I think Lin should be even more aggressive in looking for his shot, like Isiah Thomas, who shoots 20 shots per game plus 9.5 FTA.
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Re: GT: The Nets @ Boston Celtics - Monday, 04/10/17 7:30pm EST 

Post#204 » by bws94 » Tue Apr 11, 2017 3:00 am

MrDollarBills wrote:
bws94 wrote:RHJ's stats?


17pts 11rebs 3asts 4stls 2blks 8-8FTS 1-2 3PT

downside? 4-15 FG, 3 TOs.

I'll take it. Especially in about 2 years this type of output comes with maturity, added muscle, and experience.


Thanks, very good.

Yup, up the efficiency. 3 TOs aren't too bad, but he could tighten up because at least one of them came late in the game. Although, that can be said of a lot of players, even veterans.
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Re: GT: The Nets @ Boston Celtics - Monday, 04/10/17 7:30pm EST 

Post#205 » by bws94 » Tue Apr 11, 2017 3:21 am

Lin didn't know about Brook's record. He found out when the interviewers told him in the post-game interview.
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Re: GT: The Nets @ Boston Celtics - Monday, 04/10/17 7:30pm EST 

Post#206 » by Prokorov » Tue Apr 11, 2017 3:39 am

great game for Lin and RHJ. those guys were really aggressive and got to the FT line a ton. RHJ played excellent defense. We had a chance late but missed easy transition plays and open threes... then once thomas came back in it was game over.

had no awnser for the thomas/horford pick and roll. thomas hit like a dozen pull up Js off picks and then late horford on the roll or pop hurt us.

Boston is just a much much more talented team. this effort we gave beats alot of teams on alot of nights.

we glad to see us come from down 28 to make it a game.
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Re: GT: The Nets @ Boston Celtics - Monday, 04/10/17 7:30pm EST 

Post#207 » by All Nets » Tue Apr 11, 2017 1:44 pm

Not happy about a loss but there were several positives to take away.

RHJ played at a new gear I've not seen him play throughout the season. That must have been the first game I've consistently seen him just rising up and one hand dunking on several occasions underneath the rim as well as on the fast break. It's like he had a personal vendetta against the Celtics. Really would like to see him further work on his footwork at the rim and finishing ability over the summer. Maybe add a reliable jumper, even if it's just an 18-20 footer.

Lin seems to have regained some of his aggressiveness I saw prior to his hamstring injuries. When he's fearless the defense is usually on their heels. Having another starter worthy ball handler would do wonders for the offense.

Also very happy for Lopez. Regardless of what happens in the future, he's been the face of the franchise for better or for worse.
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Re: GT: The Nets @ Boston Celtics - Monday, 04/10/17 7:30pm EST 

Post#208 » by Lorenzomax7 » Tue Apr 11, 2017 2:08 pm

I really hope we can have a guy like Jae.
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Re: GT: The Nets @ Boston Celtics - Monday, 04/10/17 7:30pm EST 

Post#209 » by TTNN » Tue Apr 11, 2017 3:35 pm

RealHusky wrote:
sprost wrote:RHJ has blinders on going to the rim too often, as good as he was this game.
When he has some great moves/plays like today, gets excited and attempts to do a bit too much i.e. ugly TO at the end.
Don't know why Kenny allows that.
RHJ I think has NBA starter talent but needs to know his role.
No excuse this game for his taking 15 shots to Lin's 9.
The rookies and Foye rarely look to get the ball in Lin's hands enough (or even Lopez' hands enough).
Nets next year need to find a way to set up Lin's shot more and look to kick back to Lin more often to ball handle/pass (more "motion" in this "motion offense"), they're best when the ball keeps rotating back to the PG, instead goes back to Lin generally only when stuck, Lin largely must create his own shot.
Yes, I'm a Lin fan, but thats also truth.


These guys when they are in trouble need to look for their PG or Lin. I thought the young guys played hard, but made some bonehead plays at key moments. Lin still needs to have the ball in his hand during key moment of the game. Hopefully, young guys will watch films and learn about their mistakes. KA needs to make it simple for them: when you are in trouble, just throw the ball to Lin.


Agree that they should look for their PG when the game is on the line. Actually, I will feel more comfortable to have Dinwiddie close the game with Lin instead of WH, WH is not really a PG, and his late game TO was a killer. Dinwiddie makes better decisions and he could organize offense when Lin was heavily guarded like in Bull's game. Also WH tends to keep the ball longer than needed and break the flow of ball movement. I think we would have better chance with Dinwiddie close game.
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Re: GT: The Nets @ Boston Celtics - Monday, 04/10/17 7:30pm EST 

Post#210 » by Yit » Tue Apr 11, 2017 4:03 pm

Tracking Players Performance vs Celtics 10 Apr 2017

By GCP
Lin - 53
Lopez - 46
RHJ - 34
Hamilton - 25
CLV - 17
Whitehead - 8
Dinwiddie - 5
Foye - 4
KJM - 4
Goodwin - 4
Nicholson - (-1)

Best offensive effort = Lin (12), Best defensive effort = RHJ (15) - the drop-off from our top 5 contributing players to the rest is too drastic (which may be why we lost)

Opponent's GCP
I.Tho - 45
A.Bra - 37
A.Hor - 36
J.Cro - 32
M.Sma - 22
K.Oly - 21
J.Jer - 15
T.Roz - 9
A.Joh - 8
T.Zel - 4
J.Bro - 3

Best 5 players average comparisons Nets (35) vs Celtics (34) - we probably shouldn't have lost but it's nice to be able to keep it close with someone contending for the top position in the East.
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Re: GT: The Nets @ Boston Celtics - Monday, 04/10/17 7:30pm EST 

Post#211 » by jbeachboy » Tue Apr 11, 2017 5:04 pm

Lorenzomax7 wrote:I really hope we can have a guy like Jae.




hopefully caris will become it
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Re: GT: The Nets @ Boston Celtics - Monday, 04/10/17 7:30pm EST 

Post#212 » by reelsgm » Tue Apr 11, 2017 5:04 pm

TTNN wrote:
RealHusky wrote:
sprost wrote:RHJ has blinders on going to the rim too often, as good as he was this game.
When he has some great moves/plays like today, gets excited and attempts to do a bit too much i.e. ugly TO at the end.
Don't know why Kenny allows that.
RHJ I think has NBA starter talent but needs to know his role.
No excuse this game for his taking 15 shots to Lin's 9.
The rookies and Foye rarely look to get the ball in Lin's hands enough (or even Lopez' hands enough).
Nets next year need to find a way to set up Lin's shot more and look to kick back to Lin more often to ball handle/pass (more "motion" in this "motion offense"), they're best when the ball keeps rotating back to the PG, instead goes back to Lin generally only when stuck, Lin largely must create his own shot.
Yes, I'm a Lin fan, but thats also truth.


These guys when they are in trouble need to look for their PG or Lin. I thought the young guys played hard, but made some bonehead plays at key moments. Lin still needs to have the ball in his hand during key moment of the game. Hopefully, young guys will watch films and learn about their mistakes. KA needs to make it simple for them: when you are in trouble, just throw the ball to Lin.


Agree that they should look for their PG when the game is on the line. Actually, I will feel more comfortable to have Dinwiddie close the game with Lin instead of WH, WH is not really a PG, and his late game TO was a killer. Dinwiddie makes better decisions and he could organize offense when Lin was heavily guarded like in Bull's game. Also WH tends to keep the ball longer than needed and break the flow of ball movement. I think we would have better chance with Dinwiddie close game.


If closing with Lin & Dinwiddie, since Lin's the better scorer, both at C&S and attacking therefore we allow Dinwid to run the point which loses the experienced decision-making that Lin gives you at point; it might work but not optimal most of the time. If Dinwiddie can improve his shooting this works.

If IW can control his impulse to initiate plays and just get to his spots, letting Lin unfold plays to get IW involved - then this is superior because currently IW is a better scorer both on attacking the rim and C&S over Dinwiddie. Whether IW & Lin succeeds closing together is completely up to IW's discipline.
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Re: GT: The Nets @ Boston Celtics - Monday, 04/10/17 7:30pm EST 

Post#213 » by MrDollarBills » Tue Apr 11, 2017 6:08 pm

Yit wrote:Tracking Players Performance vs Celtics 10 Apr 2017

By GCP
Lin - 53
Lopez - 46
RHJ - 34
Hamilton - 25
CLV - 17
Whitehead - 8
Dinwiddie - 5
Foye - 4
KJM - 4
Goodwin - 4
Nicholson - (-1)

Best offensive effort = Lin (12), Best defensive effort = RHJ (15) - the drop-off from our top 5 contributing players to the rest is too drastic (which may be why we lost)

Opponent's GCP
I.Tho - 45
A.Bra - 37
A.Hor - 36
J.Cro - 32
M.Sma - 22
K.Oly - 21
J.Jer - 15
T.Roz - 9
A.Joh - 8
T.Zel - 4
J.Bro - 3

Best 5 players average comparisons Nets (35) vs Celtics (34) - we probably shouldn't have lost but it's nice to be able to keep it close with someone contending for the top position in the East.


Oh, we should have lost. Outside of Lin, Lopez, and RHJ we didn't really get solid games from anyone else. LeVert was alright but we needed more from him. The bench gave us nothing.
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Re: GT: The Nets @ Boston Celtics - Monday, 04/10/17 7:30pm EST 

Post#214 » by MrDollarBills » Tue Apr 11, 2017 6:11 pm

reelsgm wrote:
TTNN wrote:
RealHusky wrote:
These guys when they are in trouble need to look for their PG or Lin. I thought the young guys played hard, but made some bonehead plays at key moments. Lin still needs to have the ball in his hand during key moment of the game. Hopefully, young guys will watch films and learn about their mistakes. KA needs to make it simple for them: when you are in trouble, just throw the ball to Lin.


Agree that they should look for their PG when the game is on the line. Actually, I will feel more comfortable to have Dinwiddie close the game with Lin instead of WH, WH is not really a PG, and his late game TO was a killer. Dinwiddie makes better decisions and he could organize offense when Lin was heavily guarded like in Bull's game. Also WH tends to keep the ball longer than needed and break the flow of ball movement. I think we would have better chance with Dinwiddie close game.


If closing with Lin & Dinwiddie, since Lin's the better scorer, both at C&S and attacking therefore we allow Dinwid to run the point which loses the experienced decision-making that Lin gives you at point; it might work but not optimal most of the time. If Dinwiddie can improve his shooting this works.

If IW can control his impulse to initiate plays and just get to his spots, letting Lin unfold plays to get IW involved - then this is superior because currently IW is a better scorer both on attacking the rim and C&S over Dinwiddie. Whether IW & Lin succeeds closing together is completely up to IW's discipline.


Dinwiddie is shooting 38% from downtown. The problem isn't him shooting, it's that his aggressiveness in doing so is in flux from game to game.
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Re: GT: The Nets @ Boston Celtics - Monday, 04/10/17 7:30pm EST 

Post#215 » by hood30 » Wed Apr 12, 2017 8:01 am

Lin VS Thomas.

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Post#216 » by Prokorov » Wed Apr 12, 2017 3:36 pm

jbeachboy wrote:
Lorenzomax7 wrote:I really hope we can have a guy like Jae.




hopefully caris will become it


I think caris would be more avery bradley... crowder is a big dude who plays alot of PF for them
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Re: GT: The Nets @ Boston Celtics - Monday, 04/10/17 7:30pm EST 

Post#217 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Apr 12, 2017 7:23 pm

LeVert is also more skilled than Crowder was at his age imo but I like Crowder a lot. He is developing into a good 3 and D player. Nearly 40% from downtown on the season.
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Re: GT: The Nets @ Boston Celtics - Monday, 04/10/17 7:30pm EST 

Post#218 » by Lorenzomax7 » Thu Apr 13, 2017 5:21 am

MrDollarBills wrote:LeVert is also more skilled than Crowder was at his age imo but I like Crowder a lot. He is developing into a good 3 and D player. Nearly 40% from downtown on the season.

IMO... looking through all those Advanced stats... Jae might be their most important player...
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Re: GT: The Nets @ Boston Celtics - Monday, 04/10/17 7:30pm EST 

Post#219 » by TinmanZBoy » Thu Apr 13, 2017 6:02 am

LeVert will never be the defender of Jae... but his potential on offense has already surpassed Jae...
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