Your top 20 current NBA Players

[Colbinii]

I'm surprised so many people still see Griffin as a top 20 player over some All-Stars and potentially All-NBA Third-Team players.

How much does team record factor into rankings, because KAT is averaging 25 and 12 on 61TS% with a 120 ORtg on a team that's trying to win but can't help blowing leads in the second half. He has two less wins than a team headed by two top 20 players in Anthony Davis and DeMarcus Cousins.

Cousins wasn't on that team for very long, and they had a lot of injuries.

[RightToCensor]

I'm surprised so many people still see Griffin as a top 20 player over some All-Stars and potentially All-NBA Third-Team players.

How much does team record factor into rankings, because KAT is averaging 25 and 12 on 61TS% with a 120 ORtg on a team that's trying to win but can't help blowing leads in the second half. He has two less wins than a team headed by two top 20 players in Anthony Davis and DeMarcus Cousins.

Cousins wasn't on that team for very long, and they had a lot of injuries.

Even when Cousins was on the Kings he wasn't too far from KAT in the wins column.

[Colbinii]

I'm surprised so many people still see Griffin as a top 20 player over some All-Stars and potentially All-NBA Third-Team players.

How much does team record factor into rankings, because KAT is averaging 25 and 12 on 61TS% with a 120 ORtg on a team that's trying to win but can't help blowing leads in the second half. He has two less wins than a team headed by two top 20 players in Anthony Davis and DeMarcus Cousins.

Cousins wasn't on that team for very long, and they had a lot of injuries.

Even when Cousins was on the Kings he wasn't too far from KAT in the wins column.

Sure, but Cousins is a much better defender and didn't have an elite playmaker like Ricky Rubio.

[theonlyclutch]

How many in your top 20 have scored 70 in one game, let alone at 20 years old.

If you are using logic more flawed than our current government, why isn't Booker #1?

Something like this:

1. LeBron James

2. Kawhi Leonard
3. Stephen Curry
4. Kevin Durant
5. Chris Paul

6. Russell Westbrook
7. James Harden

8. Jimmy Butler
9. Anthony Davis
10. John Wall
11. Kyle Lowry
12. Draymond Green
13. DeMarcus Cousins
14. Kyle Lowry

15. Giannis Antetokounmpo
16. Rudy Gobert
17. Blake Griffin

18. Mike Conley
19. Gordon Hayward
20. Damian Lillard

HM: Paul George, DeMar DeRozan, Nikola Jokic, KAT, Kevin Love, Kyrie Irving, Marc Gasol

I find it real hard to believe that the first seeded team on the East has like nobody who could even make the top 20 players list....

[r0drig0lac]

1- Lebron


2- Kawhi/Durant
3- Durant/Kawhi
4- Westbrook
5- Harden
6- Curry
7- Giannis
8- Davis
9- CP3

10- DeRozan
11- Gobert
12- Butler
13- Gobert
14- Wall
15- Marc
16- Draymond
17- Jokic
18- Towns
19- PG13
20- Cousins

[Colbinii]

How many in your top 20 have scored 70 in one game, let alone at 20 years old.

If you are using logic more flawed than our current government, why isn't Booker #1?

Something like this:

1. LeBron James

2. Kawhi Leonard
3. Stephen Curry
4. Kevin Durant
5. Chris Paul

6. Russell Westbrook
7. James Harden

8. Jimmy Butler
9. Anthony Davis
10. John Wall
11. Kyle Lowry
12. Draymond Green
13. DeMarcus Cousins
14. Kyle Lowry

15. Giannis Antetokounmpo
16. Rudy Gobert
17. Blake Griffin

18. Mike Conley
19. Gordon Hayward
20. Damian Lillard

HM: Paul George, DeMar DeRozan, Nikola Jokic, KAT, Kevin Love, Kyrie Irving, Marc Gasol

I find it real hard to believe that the first seeded team on the East has like nobody who could even make the top 20 players list....

You don't have to look hard to go back to the 2015 Atlanta Hawks.

[eminence]

Hmm, can't actually decide on #20, but here's my top 19 (not a rating of their seasons, but on my impression of their 'goodness'):

1. Lebron

2. Curry
3. Draymond

4. CP3
5. Durant
6. Harden
7. Westbrook

8. Kawhi
9. Butler
10. Gobert
11. Davis
12. Giannis

13. Paul George
14. Lowry
15. Jokic
16. Cousins
17. Millsap

18. Wall
19. Lillard

[SunsWinSunsWin]

How many in your top 20 have scored 70 in one game, let alone at 20 years old.

None have scored 70. So why not put him #1? Why are you stopping at 5?

Well that would just be silly.

[clyde21]

How many in your top 20 have scored 70 in one game, let alone at 20 years old.

None have scored 70. So why not put him #1? Why are you stopping at 5?

Well that would just be silly.

Admit it. You didn't even want a discussion. You just wanted to see the reaction of you placing him in your top-5.

[ardee]

1. Russell Westbrook
2. James Harden
3. LeBron James
4. Kawhi Leonard
5. Stephen Curry
6. Kevin Durant
7. Chris Paul
8. Anthony Davis
9. Giannis Antetokuompo
10. Jimmy Butler
11. John Wall
12. Rudy Gobert
13. Karl-Anthony Towns
14. Paul George
15. Isaiah Thomas
16. Draymond Green
17. Nikola Jokic
18. Kyle Lowry
19. DeMarcus Cousins
20. Blake Griffin

Feel very odd having Boogie in the top 20, I genuinely feel like he has to have something to show for all these years in the league now. Could easily move Blake up one and put in Hayward at 20. Idk.

[SunsWinSunsWin]

None have scored 70. So why not put him #1? Why are you stopping at 5?

Well that would just be silly.

Admit it. You didn't even want a discussion. You just wanted to see the reaction of you placing him in your top-5.

Considering I've seen every game he has played in the NBA I think I can safely assume he's extremely special. He's not top 5 now but before he hits his prime he will be. He's definitely top 20 if age means anything to this discussion which I think it should as his ceiling is insane.

[Winsome Gerbil]

1. Russell Westbrook
2. James Harden
3. LeBron James
4. Kawhi Leonard
5. Stephen Curry
6. Kevin Durant
7. Chris Paul
8. Anthony Davis
9. Giannis Antetokuompo
10. Jimmy Butler
11. John Wall
12. Rudy Gobert
13. Karl-Anthony Towns
14. Paul George
15. Isaiah Thomas
16. Draymond Green
17. Nikola Jokic
18. Kyle Lowry
19. DeMarcus Cousins
20. Blake Griffin

Feel very odd having Boogie in the top 20, I genuinely feel like he has to have something to show for all these years in the league now. Could easily move Blake up one and put in Hayward at 20. Idk.

He does have something to show for it.

2 terrible owners, at least 3 GMs, 7? coaches. About 60-70 different teammates, most of whom are out of the league now. And the honor of making some seriously **** lineups at least a little dangerous while he was on the floor. In your long list of people you have above him only a handful could have done more under the circumstances. In fact many of them have been on teams that have struggled to win just as badly, as you anoint KAT, forget how CP3's New Orleans days ended, that Isaiah won no more on the Kings, with Cousins, that Davis has all of one 8th seed, what people thought of Curry before the cavalry arrived etc etc. etc. The difference is that while their organizations failed for stretches, none of them have failed as long or hard as the Kings through the midst of their ownership crisis and 11 straight years out of the playoffs.

[ardee]

1. Russell Westbrook
2. James Harden
3. LeBron James
4. Kawhi Leonard
5. Stephen Curry
6. Kevin Durant
7. Chris Paul
8. Anthony Davis
9. Giannis Antetokuompo
10. Jimmy Butler
11. John Wall
12. Rudy Gobert
13. Karl-Anthony Towns
14. Paul George
15. Isaiah Thomas
16. Draymond Green
17. Nikola Jokic
18. Kyle Lowry
19. DeMarcus Cousins
20. Blake Griffin

Feel very odd having Boogie in the top 20, I genuinely feel like he has to have something to show for all these years in the league now. Could easily move Blake up one and put in Hayward at 20. Idk.

He does have something to show for it.

2 terrible owners, at least 3 GMs, 7? coaches. About 60-70 different teammates, most of whom are out of the league now. And the honor of making some seriously **** lineups at least a little dangerous while he was on the floor. In your long list of people you have above him only a handful could have done more under the circumstances. In fact many of them have been on teams that have struggled to win just as badly, as you anoint KAT, forget how CP3's New Orleans days ended, that Isaiah won no more on the Kings, with Cousins, that Davis has all of one 8th seed, what people thought of Curry before the cavalry arrived etc etc. etc. The difference is that while their organizations failed for stretches, none of them have failed as long or hard as the Kings through the midst of their ownership crisis and 11 straight years out of the playoffs.

I understand all that but I guess I've just been hearing a lot of stories lately about what a terrible teammate he was at Sacramento. The way he used to treat rookies, the amount he used to cuss people out for tiny mistakes... it is obviously different from his play on the court so I'm probably biased but I just feel like someone like that will still hurt your team.

[DoubleO8]

LeBron James
Kevin Durant
Russel Westbrook
James Harden
Stephen Curry
Kawhi Leonard
Chris Paul
Anthony Davis
John Wall
Giannis
Jimmy Butler
Paul George
Demarcus cousins
Kyle Lowry
KAT
Damian Lillard
Draymond Green
Klay Thompson
Blake Griffin
Gordon Hayward

[giberish]

Guys who are definitely top-20

PG: Harden/Mestbrook/Curry/Paul/Lowry
SG: None
SF: James/Kwahi/Durant/Giannis/Butler
PF: Davis/Green/Milsap (can't believe how many people ignore him)
C: Gobert

That's just 14 though, so I'll need 6 more. George is probably better then he looked most of the year. Wall's the best 2nd tier PG. I'm comfortable with those two, but need 4 more.

Cousins/Jokic/Towns are all great offensive centers, but are limited on D. Thomas, Lillard and Irving are also great on offense but give back a bunch on D. Hayward is in the mix at SF, while Conley and Gasol keep Memphis solidly over .500 without much help (Parsons ). I'll go with Hayward, Conley, Cousins and Jokic for 17-20. So 7 pg, 0 sg, 7 sf, 3 pf, 3 C.

[Doctor MJ]

Top of my head:

LeBron
Curry
Durant
Kawhi
Harden
Westbrook
Paul
Draymond
Davis
Wall
Isaiah
Giannis
Gobert
Jokic
Butler
Millsap
Lowry
KAT
Gasol
Griffin

[Zelaznyrules]

Lebron
Durant
Westbrook
Curry
Harden
Davis
Kawhi
Giannis
Jokic
IT
Butler
Derozan
KAT
Kyrie
Chris Paul
Lillard
Cousins
Wall
Gobert
Conley

[Zelaznyrules]

Well that would just be silly.

Admit it. You didn't even want a discussion. You just wanted to see the reaction of you placing him in your top-5.

Considering I've seen every game he has played in the NBA I think I can safely assume he's extremely special. He's not top 5 now but before he hits his prime he will be. He's definitely top 20 if age means anything to this discussion which I think it should as his ceiling is insane.

I'm a huge Booker fan and I expect him to become one of the best in the game but you asked for current top 20 players. He's not even top 50 right now, probably not even top 100. Now, ask for a list of top 20 players to build around and he'll get some action but it's absurd to count him among the 20 best current players IMO.

[spearsy23]

I'm surprised so many people still see Griffin as a top 20 player over some All-Stars and potentially All-NBA Third-Team players.

How much does team record factor into rankings, because KAT is averaging 25 and 12 on 61TS% with a 120 ORtg on a team that's trying to win but can't help blowing leads in the second half. He has two less wins than a team headed by two top 20 players in Anthony Davis and DeMarcus Cousins.

I'm actually surprised to see KAT on so many lists. Bigs that are terrible on defense usually get killed for it Here, no matter how good their offense is.

[ardee]

Top of my head:

LeBron
Curry
Durant
Kawhi
Harden
Westbrook
Paul
Draymond
Davis
Wall
Isaiah
Giannis
Gobert
Jokic
Butler
Millsap
Lowry
KAT
Gasol
Griffin

Is that in order? I have to say I am surprised you have Isaiah so high. It's very justifiable, just that I'm surprised you rank him that high considering the value you place on defense.