2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread Volume 2

[Negrodamus]

Jarrett Allen officially enters the draft.

Another crapshoot player. Has offensive ability but seems to lack the rebounding and rim protecting ability to project as a starter.

Not very impressed with him. I may be off a bit, but he reminds me of a guy who bounced around the league a few years ago named Mikki Moore. He has some Offensive skills, but ultimately doesn't do enough 'big man things' to establish a stable role in the NBA.

I'd prefer his fellow freshman teammate, Andrew Jones.

(And he might have the most upside in the draft if he stays in. Shh, don't tell anybody.)

[Unbreakable99]

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[Negrodamus]

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Tom Izzo is notorious for trying to keep his freshmen around more than one year. I'm sure that's the case here.

[the_process]

Bridges' stock has a better chance of going down than up if he stays IMO. Just like Rabb last year.

[HartfordWhalers]

he reminds me of a guy who bounced around the league a few years ago named Mikki Moore

you mean that they look alike

Ahhh... the Dante Exum and Okafor lover with the smart remarks... Go sit down somewhere and behave yourself.

Don't do this. You have been told repeatedly don't do crap like this. If his current opinion on a prospect is bad, explain why using that current prospect. Continually dragging up previous misses and telling someone to "Go sit down somewhere and behave yourself" is not acceptable and you know that.

I wold love if you could constructively add to these threads with why he is wrong on current prospects. Thanks.

[HartfordWhalers]

he reminds me of a guy who bounced around the league a few years ago named Mikki Moore

you mean that they look alike

And similarly, add more than this if arguing the players are different. Otherwise it is just encouraging the petty back and forth that has no place here.

Thanks both, I want to read what everyone -- you two included -- thinks of these prospects without the back and forth stuff that isn't needed.

[smittybanton]

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Interesting. He's #6 for me. Like him more than Isaac. The teams from 5-10 need wings. Orlando, NY, Sacramento (2x).

Next year also has several seven-footers, two of whom are probably going in the top five, plus a few others who could rise, and Luka Doncic, Michael Porter, Wendell Carter. [Waiting is hard, but next year is a much better draft for the center-starved Lakers.]

That said, Bridges' game improved the whole year. I can't say that Wendell Carter and them have higher ceilings.

[Unbreakable99]

Based on what I have read and seen and heard I'm not sure the Sixers draft Ball if we land a top 3 pick. Brown said they will try Simmons at PG. He has said he needs shooters round Simmons. BC said he needs shooters and people who can defend with Simmons. I'm not sure BC would want to draft a PG who isn't that good on D even though Ball can shoot. I love Ball and hope this isn't the case but I don't see Ball as a pick for us assuming we get a top 3 pick. BC inquired about KCP. BC clearly wants a good defender to pair with Simmons.

I think BC would draft Fultz. I think Tatum and Jackson are options too if we land a top 3 pick. I also think BC may value Monk more than others. This is just me guessing. I just don't think BC wants any part of creating another log jam after the debacle with Okafor Noel and Embiid. He doesn't want to have any mess like that ever again. I think he really values shooting as well.

This is not my big board but what I think BC's big board looks like.
1. Fultz
2. Tatum
3. Jackson
4. Monk
5. Isaac
6. Smith Jr
7. Ball

[LloydFree]

Based on what I have read and seen and heard I'm not sure the Sixers draft Ball if we land a top 3 pick. Brown said they will try Simmons at PG. He has said he needs shooters round Simmons. BC said he needs shooters and people who can defend with Simmons. I'm not sure BC would want to draft a PG who isn't that good on D even though Ball can shoot. I love Ball and hope this isn't the case but I don't see Ball as a pick for us assuming we get a top 3 pick. BC inquired about KCP. BC clearly wants a good defender to pair with Simmons.

I think BC would draft Fultz. I think Tatum and Jackson are options too if we land a top 3 pick. I also think BC may value Monk more than others. This is just me guessing. I just don't think BC wants any part of creating another log jam after the debacle with Okafor Noel and Embiid. He doesn't want to have any mess like that ever again. I think he really values shooting as well.

This is not my big board but what I think BC's big board looks like.
1. Fultz
2. Tatum
3. Jackson
4. Monk
5. Isaac
6. Smith Jr
7. Ball

I'll cross my fingers that the 76ers get the 3rd pick at the lottery.

[Kobblehead]

Based on what I have read and seen and heard I'm not sure the Sixers draft Ball if we land a top 3 pick. Brown said they will try Simmons at PG. He has said he needs shooters round Simmons. BC said he needs shooters and people who can defend with Simmons. I'm not sure BC would want to draft a PG who isn't that good on D even though Ball can shoot. I love Ball and hope this isn't the case but I don't see Ball as a pick for us assuming we get a top 3 pick. BC inquired about KCP. BC clearly wants a good defender to pair with Simmons.

I think BC would draft Fultz. I think Tatum and Jackson are options too if we land a top 3 pick. I also think BC may value Monk more than others. This is just me guessing. I just don't think BC wants any part of creating another log jam after the debacle with Okafor Noel and Embiid. He doesn't want to have any mess like that ever again. I think he really values shooting as well.

This is not my big board but what I think BC's big board looks like.
1. Fultz
2. Tatum
3. Jackson
4. Monk
5. Isaac
6. Smith Jr
7. Ball

Considering these two sentences, it doesn't make sense to drop Ball behind Monk and Smith. Two inferior players that are way worse on defense. Lonzo has defensive promise. For him, it's about energy expenditure on that end. He has the length and instincts.

[smittybanton]

Jayson Tatum is rising up draft boards and Chad Ford of ESPN.com believes he could be a dark horse for the No.1 overall pick. Ford notes that Tatum is widely regarded by scouts as being the most NBA-ready right now.

There is no clear #1, and the worst teams besides the Sixers have a plethora of guards. We're getting who we want, even if we have to trade up to get him. Doesn't matter, Ball or Fultz, maybe even both!!!!!

[Unbreakable99]

Based on what I have read and seen and heard I'm not sure the Sixers draft Ball if we land a top 3 pick. Brown said they will try Simmons at PG. He has said he needs shooters round Simmons. BC said he needs shooters and people who can defend with Simmons. I'm not sure BC would want to draft a PG who isn't that good on D even though Ball can shoot. I love Ball and hope this isn't the case but I don't see Ball as a pick for us assuming we get a top 3 pick. BC inquired about KCP. BC clearly wants a good defender to pair with Simmons.

I think BC would draft Fultz. I think Tatum and Jackson are options too if we land a top 3 pick. I also think BC may value Monk more than others. This is just me guessing. I just don't think BC wants any part of creating another log jam after the debacle with Okafor Noel and Embiid. He doesn't want to have any mess like that ever again. I think he really values shooting as well.

This is not my big board but what I think BC's big board looks like.
1. Fultz
2. Tatum
3. Jackson
4. Monk
5. Isaac
6. Smith Jr
7. Ball

Considering these two sentences, it doesn't make sense to drop Ball behind Monk and Smith. Two inferior players that are way worse on defense. Lonzo has defensive promise. For him, it's about energy expenditure on that end. He has the length and instincts.

You may be right. I just think that BC might rather have Monk over Ball because Monk looks for his shot more and may project to be the better shooter in the NBA. Also there is the Booker hype and BC might rather have a player who isn't a PG and just go for the SG so Simmons can take full reigns as PG. This isn't what I would do. I'm just thinking out loud on what I think BC's thinking could be. I am probably wrong on that too. Smith Jr has more quickness and may look for his shot more than Ball. BC signed Bayless. He can shoot. BC might go after KCP. He can shoot and defend. I just think BC might go after more aggressive scorers than Ball to play alongside Simmons.

[Negrodamus]

This is not my big board but what I think BC's big board looks like.
1. Fultz
2. Tatum
3. Jackson
4. Monk
5. Isaac
6. Smith Jr
7. Ball

For Colangelo's big board, I'd go:

1. Fultz
2. Ball
3. Jackson
4. Smith
5. Fox
6. Ntilikina
7. Tatum

I think he'll do everything in his power to draft a 1 or 2 player even if that means not taking the best player.

[Kobblehead]

If our PG-SG-SF trio next year is Monk-TLC-Covington, Simmons is going to be exhausted. Those are three non-handlers. LeBron pretty much always had another ball handler at the PG spot capable of alleviating his workload for possessions at a time.

[cksdayoff]

we're gettin fultz

[sixerswillrule]

If we only have pick #5 and Smith goes #4 after "the big 3", is it Tatum for sure? Would anyone take Monk over him?

[JojoSlimbiid]

If our PG-SG-SF trio next year is Monk-TLC-Covington, Simmons is going to be exhausted. Those are three non-handlers. LeBron pretty much always had another ball handler at the PG spot capable of alleviating his workload for possessions at a time.

It depends if we really do plan to play Simmons like Bron in a heavy isolation type setting from the top of the key then yeah he'll have to create a lot. If we play the way we do now than not really. We'll have plenty of shooting to finally start to execute on all the over passing we currently do now not to mention our heavy post play will return with Biid returning, which is something to note because Bron never played with a real b2b post guy like Embiid. So it's not really gonna be as taxing as one would think. That said I do hope they add a secondary creator either through the draft and/or FA

[Mik317]

If our PG-SG-SF trio next year is Monk-TLC-Covington, Simmons is going to be exhausted. Those are three non-handlers. LeBron pretty much always had another ball handler at the PG spot capable of alleviating his workload for possessions at a time.

I like Monk but even I agree with this.

Although I suspect Bayless would start at the 1 in that situation. They seem to really like him.

[Sixerscan]

I think Bridges decision going back was fine. Next years class seems a lot weaker on the wings after porter. It could work out for him similarly to Dunn's big jump.

[EBrandEra]

Jayson Tatum is rising up draft boards and Chad Ford of ESPN.com believes he could be a dark horse for the No.1 overall pick. Ford notes that Tatum is widely regarded by scouts as being the most NBA-ready right now.

There is no clear #1, and the worst teams besides the Sixers have a plethora of guards. We're getting who we want, even if we have to trade up to get him. Doesn't matter, Ball or Fultz, maybe even both!!!!!

Always have to be wary of Chad Ford's Duke and Kentucky player lovefest during NBA Draft season.

I haven't seen a ton of Tatum but he doesn't strike me as a terribly athletic player and he doesn't excel as a defender (a trait a lot of other Duke graduates share). And at 6''8", he probably profiles more as a SF and he currently is not a great 3pt shooter.

At No. 4, I'd rather take Malik Monk (who is a legit scorer and shooter and SG we need), Dennis Smith Jr., or Isaac (who has a lot higher ceiling than Tatum).