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How much is Hardaway Jr. worth to Atlanta?

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How much is it worth to keep Timothy Hardaway in a Hawks uniform?

Poll ended at Wed Jul 12, 2017 7:05 pm

Keep him at all costs
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48%
Re-sign him only at a reasonable deal
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28%
Trade him now
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3%
I'm willing to let him walk away if it comes to it
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Re: How much is Hardaway Jr. worth to Atlanta? 

Post#21 » by Jamaaliver » Tue Mar 14, 2017 3:45 pm

Another (semi) national article praising THJ:

Tim Hardaway Jr. Quietly Having A Successful Season

Hardaway Jr. is averaging career highs in points per game, field-goal percentage, three-point percentage, rebounds per game, assists per game, and steals per game. Hardaway Jr. has hit at least one three-pointer in 19 straight games now, as he has become a [more] consistent threat from downtown.

The Atlanta Hawks should definitely ponder keeping Hardaway Jr. for the foreseeable future. Still only 24 years of age (soon to be 25), Hardaway Jr. can bring instant offense every night. He may not get the praise of a Paul Millsap, but he is definitely an important piece to this Hawks team.
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Post#22 » by simon24 » Tue Mar 14, 2017 7:36 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:Another (semi) national article praising THJ:

Tim Hardaway Jr. Quietly Having A Successful Season

Hardaway Jr. is averaging career highs in points per game, field-goal percentage, three-point percentage, rebounds per game, assists per game, and steals per game. Hardaway Jr. has hit at least one three-pointer in 19 straight games now, as he has become a [more] consistent threat from downtown.

The Atlanta Hawks should definitely ponder keeping Hardaway Jr. for the foreseeable future. Still only 24 years of age (soon to be 25), Hardaway Jr. can bring instant offense every night. He may not get the praise of a Paul Millsap, but he is definitely an important piece to this Hawks team.
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He'll definitely get the max.
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Re: How much is Hardaway Jr. worth to Atlanta? 

Post#23 » by Jamaaliver » Wed Mar 15, 2017 3:37 pm

...and now the Hawks marketing dept is featuring THJ in sales promotion material.

Interesting.

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Re: How much is Hardaway Jr. worth to Atlanta? 

Post#24 » by afectar » Thu Mar 16, 2017 8:22 pm

Get rid of Bumzmore and resign THJR. If he ever improves his ball handle he would be a really good player.
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Re: How much is Hardaway Jr. worth to Atlanta? 

Post#25 » by Jamaaliver » Fri Mar 17, 2017 12:40 pm

Zach Lowe singing the praises of THJ and Thabo:

Timmy and Thabo, killing it

This is just a nice, complementary wing duo: a score-first shooting guard with some issues on defense, and a stopper big enough to guard almost any perimeter scorer.

The Hawks have trounced opponents by seven points per 100 possessions when Tim Hardaway Jr. and Thabo Sefolosha share the floor, per NBA.com. It helps that they've logged two-thirds of those minutes with Paul Millsap, Atlanta's best overall player, but these two make a natural fit.

Tim Junior's strong play over the past two months is the latest cautionary tale against instant trade evaluations. A lot of folks laughed at Atlanta for coughing up a first-rounder -- the 19th pick in the 2015 draft -- for a cast-off from [Team Redacted].

Two years later, Hardaway is a dangerous 3-point shooter assuming more pick-and-roll duty. He's in line for a big payday this summer -- a new variable to consider in evaluating the Hardaway-Jerian Grant swap. And Sefolosha looks largely like the savvy, sliding terror he was before he broke his leg in an alleged instance of police abuse.

Atlanta has been smart to collect as many wing prospects as possible, and see who pops. They understand the game is evolving toward a fast-paced, semi-positionless style in which the best teams will have three wings on the floor during high-stakes moments. Hardaway is a player now, and Taurean Prince, one of two wings Atlanta drafted in the first round last June, is showing intriguing early signs.
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Re: How much is Hardaway Jr. worth to Atlanta? 

Post#26 » by jayu70 » Fri Mar 17, 2017 11:20 pm

C-Viv finally got around to it:
It’s the little things.....
Big steps....
Small steps......
“To take the next step you have to be able to think the game through instead of just going out there and playing,” teammate Paul Millsap said. “I think he is getting better at it. He’s still a young guy. He’s still learning. But he’s getting better thinking about the game, making good reads and making the proper play.”

Hardaway has become an integral part of the Hawks this season — both as a starter for injured players and as a reserve. He has provided a scoring spark off the bench. He has scored in double figures in 22 of the past 23 games, including a team-high 20 consecutive games. He started 12 of those games.

For the Hawks’ coaching staff, the small steps of Hardaway’s development was capsulized in a defensive stand earlier this season. In a February game at the Trail Blazers, the Hawks trailed by two points, 97-95, with less than 30 seconds remaining. They chose to defend the Trail Blazers’ possession as C.J. McCollum had the ball. Hardaway drew the assignment. He harassed McCollum into a step-back jumper that missed. The Hawks got the rebound with 2.2 seconds remaining. Millsap would score at the buzzer to force overtime, and the Hawks won 109-104.


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Post#27 » by observer1995 » Fri Mar 17, 2017 11:23 pm

I think the problem was moreso if you start Hardaway Jr, against a lot of teams you also NEED to be able to balance out defensively, and even if Bud loves Bazemore, he isn't good enough to help balance out with Millsap.

No matter what, I keep coming back to Bazemore's contract being an issue. The money needs to be swallowed to where it looks like Danny Green's contract and he needs to be traded, maybe attach one of the picks that was traded for.
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Re: How much is Hardaway Jr. worth to Atlanta? 

Post#28 » by jayu70 » Fri Mar 17, 2017 11:40 pm

observer1995 wrote:I think the problem was moreso if you start Hardaway Jr, against a lot of teams you also NEED to be able to balance out defensively, and even if Bud loves Bazemore, he isn't good enough to help balance out with Millsap.

No matter what, I keep coming back to Bazemore's contract being an issue. The money needs to be swallowed to where it looks like Danny Green's contract and he needs to be traded, maybe attach one of the picks that was traded for.

Hardaway and Thabo works. Bazemore needs to be coming off the bench, and it's not like THjr isn't playing defense.
But from the article I just posted 'Bud like Hardaways offensive punch off the bench which annoys me. With Prince looking like he can score enough from the bench it's time to move Thjr to the starting lineup.
I do agree that the ideal scenario is to trade Baze.
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Re: How much is Hardaway Jr. worth to Atlanta? 

Post#29 » by Jamaaliver » Tue Apr 11, 2017 2:46 pm

Chris Vivlamore wrote:Hardaway Jr. continues strong play with impressive week

Hardaway was nominated by the Hawks for the Eastern Conference Player of the Week.

The Hawks shooting guard played a key role in the Hawks’ three-win week with victories over the Celtics and the Cavaliers twice. Hardaway averaged 22.0 points, 5.3 rebounds and 4.7 assists in the wins. He had a .565 field-goal percentage and a .438 3-point percentage. He scored more than 20 points and had at least four assists in each game.



Hardaway had 21 points, a career-high nine rebounds and four assists in the Hawks’ 126-125 overtime win over the Cavaliers on Sunday. In the two games against the Cavaliers, he did not commit a turnover in 63 minutes of playing time.

Hardaway has started the past 11 games for the Hawks at shooting guard and has remained in the lineup even after Kent Bazemore returned from a knee injury.
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ATL Boy wrote:We can't lose him for nothing. THJ is continuing to improve and if he gets offered $20+ mil I believe that we have no choice but to match.



It's getting harder to deny. The kid looks great. I have doubts on whether he can carry a team as a #1 or 2 option. But his production is impressive.

I'm at the point where I sign the kid to a 4 year contract and allow him to continue inflating his stats as a starter moving forward.

If we get to a point where we choose to part ways, THJ or Dennis could be very valuable trade chips based on age and production.
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Post#30 » by simon24 » Wed Apr 12, 2017 6:57 am

Jamaaliver wrote:
Chris Vivlamore wrote:Hardaway Jr. continues strong play with impressive week

Hardaway was nominated by the Hawks for the Eastern Conference Player of the Week.

The Hawks shooting guard played a key role in the Hawks’ three-win week with victories over the Celtics and the Cavaliers twice. Hardaway averaged 22.0 points, 5.3 rebounds and 4.7 assists in the wins. He had a .565 field-goal percentage and a .438 3-point percentage. He scored more than 20 points and had at least four assists in each game.



Hardaway had 21 points, a career-high nine rebounds and four assists in the Hawks’ 126-125 overtime win over the Cavaliers on Sunday. In the two games against the Cavaliers, he did not commit a turnover in 63 minutes of playing time.

Hardaway has started the past 11 games for the Hawks at shooting guard and has remained in the lineup even after Kent Bazemore returned from a knee injury.
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ATL Boy wrote:We can't lose him for nothing. THJ is continuing to improve and if he gets offered $20+ mil I believe that we have no choice but to match.



It's getting harder to deny. The kid looks great. I have doubts on whether he can carry a team as a #1 or 2 option. But his production is impressive.

I'm at the point where I sign the kid to a 4 year contract and allow him to continue inflating his stats as a starter moving forward.

If we get to a point where we choose to part ways, THJ or Dennis could be very valuable trade chips based on age and production.


He's not worth the max. I'd let him walk. Let Brooklyn overpay for him. You don't want to end up like the Hawks in the late 2000s, capped out with average talent.
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Re: How much is Hardaway Jr. worth to Atlanta? 

Post#31 » by Tricky_Kid » Thu Apr 13, 2017 6:17 pm

Still he wasn't worth Oubre pick.


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Post#32 » by Jamaaliver » Thu Apr 13, 2017 7:04 pm

Tricky_Kid wrote:Still he wasn't worth Oubre pick.




I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not.

There were drawbacks to trading such a high draft pick for an unproven, injured player coming off a down season.

I was one of the staunchest critics of the trade at the time. And even I have to admit it's not nearly as bad as it looked two years ago.

Oubre has some potential, but I'm not sure we ever gave much thought to drafting him. Which is why we were willing to trade back to #19 in the first place that year.
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Post#33 » by ATL Boy » Thu Apr 13, 2017 7:29 pm

Tricky_Kid wrote:Still he wasn't worth Oubre pick.


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Based on what? Hardaway's been miles better than Oubre this year.


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Re: How much is Hardaway Jr. worth to Atlanta? 

Post#34 » by Jamaaliver » Mon Apr 17, 2017 2:55 pm

Tim Hardaway Jr., Atlanta Hawks

Age: 25

Years Experience: 4


According to NBA Math's Total Points Added, Paul Millsap did not wrap up the regular season as the Atlanta Hawks' most valuable offensive contributor.

It was Tim Hardaway Jr.

This doesn't shine a good light on the Hawks offense, which placed dead last in points scored per 100 possessions over the final 31 games.

Atlanta comes close to scoring like an average offense when Hardaway's in the game. His climbing three-point clip allows him to play away from the ball, complementing Millsap and Schroder, and his improved decision-making off the dribble has come in handy during the search for a backup playmaker.

Hardaway is also a go-to option down the stretch of close games, even when Schroder is on the court.

The Hawks trust him to run pick-and-rolls and break down defenses off the bounce, and he's wielding a more trustworthy shot selection. His shooting percentages are wonky during the final two minutes of one-possession games, but he's so often a bail-out option. He's jacked more shots late in crunch time than everyone except Millsap and Schroder.

There are still issues with Hardaway's defense, but he's cut into Bazemore's starting gig for a reason. He's competent. Opponents are shooting 11-of-44 (25 percent) against him in isolation—efficiency and volume right in line with DeMarre Carroll, his unofficial predecessor.
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Re: How much is Hardaway Jr. worth to Atlanta? 

Post#35 » by Jamaaliver » Fri Apr 21, 2017 3:53 pm

Predicting the Worst Contracts of 2017 NBA Offseason

Tim Hardaway Jr., Atlanta Hawks (Restricted)
Ballpark Contract Prediction: Four years, $58 million


Initially tabbed as an inefficient spot-up specialist with a pre-Cleveland J.R. Smith shot selection, Hardaway is now one of the Hawks' most pivotal contributors. And with restricted free agency on the horizon, his rise comes at just the right time.

He's traded in long twos for threes and dribble drives that don't end with premature pull-ups. A career-high 29.1 percent of his looks came within three feet of the bucket, while a career-low 10.7 percent came between 16 feet and the three-point line.

Hawks head honcho Mike Budenholzer has also entrusted Hardaway with secondary playmaking responsibilities. He has never averaged more assists per 100 possessions and handles the ball a lot down the stretch of close games.

Even Hardaway's defense has improved. Though he'll never be an ace stopper, he's serviceable—good enough to usurp Kent Bazemore in Atlanta's rotations.

Rival teams have no doubt noticed Hardaway's progress, and he'll be rewarded handsomely for his leap. Blossoming three-and-D talents always fetch a pretty penny (see: Crabbe, Allen), and Hardaway's restricted status encourages offer sheets structured to try convincing the Hawks it's not worth matching (see: Crabbe, again). He won't get Bazemore ($70 million) or Crabbe ($74.8 million) money, but he'll come uncomfortably close.
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This amount seems lower than I'd anticipate. If this is all it takes to sign him, I'd expect the Hawks to match that contract without hesitation.
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Post#36 » by tbhawksfan1 » Sat Apr 22, 2017 7:55 am

THJr is another example of bad GMing. Bring in a player on a short deal, improve value, have to sign to big deal or lose.

At least Oubre is still on a rook deal. Last year THJr was terrible. He had a decent year this year, the playoffs he's no show.

Unless he's a bargain, he should walk. One year of OK ball for a mid first..... terrible
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Re: How much is Hardaway Jr. worth to Atlanta? 

Post#37 » by Jamaaliver » Mon May 1, 2017 3:31 pm

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Hawks biggest offseason decision may be retaining Hardaway Jr.


Tim Hardaway Jr. is a member of the Atlanta Hawks – for now.

Hawks coach Mike Budenholzer was asked for a list of offseason priorities after the team was eliminated from the playoffs. He cited re-signing Paul Millsap and Hardaway. The organization has long made it clear that retaining Millsap is of upmost importance. It was a new development to add Hardaway that high on the list.

The Hawks face an interesting decision on who much they are willing to pay for Hardaway. Kent Bazemore signed a four-year, $70 million contract as an unrestricted free agent last summer, an annual salary of $15 million. It was Hardaway who supplanted Bazemore in the starting lineup. The development of Hardaway was also one of the reasons the Hawks traded Kyle Korver midseason.
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Post#38 » by td00 » Mon May 1, 2017 4:12 pm

If someone bids for THJ to be a starter on their team, there's no way we can justify signing him to a Bazemore type deal.

I saw some good things in the regular season, but the playoffs are a different story.

I think we need more experience at that slot, and we can get it at a cheaper cost.

Still dislike the Korver move, who opened up the court for our guys. Our postseason results lead me to being cautious giving THJ to much of the cap.
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Post#39 » by Jamaaliver » Wed May 3, 2017 2:05 pm

Rumor Central: Tim Hardaway Jr. expected to land a big deal


Tim Hardaway Jr. will enter the 2017-18 salary cap year on July 1 as a restricted free agent and is expected to sign a lucrative multiyear contract with the Atlanta Hawks or another team via an offer sheet. If it's up to Hardaway Jr., he will re-sign with the Hawks.

The Hawks re-signed Kent Bazemore to a four-year, $70 million contract in July, and the agent for Hardaway Jr. may ask for that type of deal, since his client played a more prominent role than Bazemore in the latter portion of the regular season and playoffs.

If the Hawks balk at matching his contract demands, agent Zach Kurtin of Priority Sports likely will call teams with cap room that may be willing to tender an offer sheet to his client.
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Rumor Central: Nets aim to upgrade SF position

The Brooklyn Nets need many upgrades to the roster after finishing the 2016-17 season with a 20-62 record, which was the worst in the NBA. "We know the three position for us is certainly one that needs to be addressed," Marks told Nets Magazine recently.

...free-agent small forwards who might be highly-rated by Brooklyn could include Atlanta's Tim Hardaway Jr. (restricted) among others.
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Re: How much is Hardaway Jr. worth to Atlanta? 

Post#40 » by Jamaaliver » Wed May 3, 2017 5:27 pm

This is worth noting. But I take it with a grain of salt:

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