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Re: Knicks pick up option on Phil Jackson for final 2 years 

Post#301 » by 3toheadmelo » Thu Apr 13, 2017 8:35 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:no good free agents are coming here.
ZERO


Thankfully.

We need to be bottom 3 bad for the next 2-3 years
For phil to truly execute his vision.

no one knows his vision at this point
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Re: Knicks pick up option on Phil Jackson for final 2 years 

Post#302 » by Pr0nzingis » Thu Apr 13, 2017 9:04 pm

Trading for Melo was one of the biggest mistakes in Knicks history.

Knicks gutted the team for someone they could get for free a couple months latter, just because Melo wanted the Knicks to gut the team for him because of his ego.
Knicks achieved nothing with him... during his reign the most significant moment was Linsanity! That says it all.

But worse, unlike all the other bad moves that were supposed to be good moves that immediately blowed in Knicks face, with Melo Knicks just kept committing to him.

It's over! Knicks got a unicorn on Porzingis and a really solid fundamentally sound center in WIlly in a era with no decent centers and no decent fundamentally sound players, and a top10 draft pick.

Let's move one.
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Re: Knicks pick up option on Phil Jackson for final 2 years 

Post#303 » by GONYK » Thu Apr 13, 2017 9:11 pm

Pr0nzingis wrote:Trading for Melo was one of the biggest mistakes in Knicks history.

Knicks gutted the team for someone they could get for free a couple months latter, just because Melo wanted the Knicks to gut the team for him because of his ego.
Knicks achieved nothing with him... during his reign the most significant moment was Linsanity! That says it all.

But worse, unlike all the other bad moves that were supposed to be good moves that immediately blowed in Knicks face, with Melo Knicks just kept committing to him.

It's over! Knicks got a unicorn on Porzingis and a really solid fundamentally sound center in WIlly in a era with no decent centers and no decent fundamentally sound players, and a top10 draft pick.

Let's move one.


This myth has been debunked hundreds of times over the years, yet it pops up in every thread that concerns Melo

It's almost as if people are purposely refusing to accept the facts, so they can keep peddling the same narrative :lol:
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Re: Knicks pick up option on Phil Jackson for final 2 years 

Post#304 » by Red Vines » Thu Apr 13, 2017 9:45 pm

What bothers me the most is his silence and what comes off as lack of urgency. Curled up like a dog turd asleep in transit won't talk to fans while the rest of the league laughs.
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Re: Knicks pick up option on Phil Jackson for final 2 years 

Post#305 » by Dkillanyk4lyf » Thu Apr 13, 2017 9:46 pm

Red Vines wrote:What bothers me the most is his silence and what comes off as lack of urgency. Curled up like a dog turd asleep in transit won't talk to fans while the rest of the league laughs.


This had been the knicks mo for the past 17 season's.
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Re: Knicks pick up option on Phil Jackson for final 2 years 

Post#306 » by fresko024 » Thu Apr 13, 2017 9:55 pm

I'm glad Phil is sticking around for two more years. Give him a shot at seeing this thing through. It can't get worse..
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Re: Knicks pick up option on Phil Jackson for final 2 years 

Post#307 » by ny-n-md » Thu Apr 13, 2017 10:00 pm

I still can't wrap my mind around how much support Phil is shown by the fans and the owner. He's been a terrible mess and distraction every year. I am a fan so I keep rooting but this is absurd. This team will be overhauled again with new guys trying to learn a system that takes 2 years to get familiar with. What type of stuff is that. We gotta be patient...

...man please! Results or get out! This will be year 4!
JUST PLAY THE KIDS ALREADY!!!!!
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Re: Knicks pick up option on Phil Jackson for final 2 years 

Post#308 » by DOT » Thu Apr 13, 2017 10:05 pm

ny-n-md wrote:I still can't wrap my mind around how much support Phil is shown by the fans and the owner. He's been a terrible mess and distraction every year. I am a fan so I keep rooting but this is absurd. This team will be overhauled again with new guys trying to learn a system that takes 2 years to get familiar with. What type of stuff is that. We gotta be patient...

...man please! Results or get out! This will be year 4!

Yeah, what a mess Phil's created
We only have a future franchise player, a stud in Willy, a couple good future role players, all our first round picks, and plenty of cap flexibility

Look at the team in 2014, that was a mess
One pick over the next 3 drafts
Not one, but TWO albatross contracts in Amare and Bargnani
No good young players

We're so much worse off now than we were then, someone please save us!
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Re: Knicks pick up option on Phil Jackson for final 2 years 

Post#309 » by moocow007 » Thu Apr 13, 2017 10:07 pm

fresko024 wrote:I'm glad Phil is sticking around for two more years. Give him a shot at seeing this thing through. It can't get worse..


It can't? Why not?
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Post#310 » by Kinglee » Thu Apr 13, 2017 10:10 pm

ny-n-md wrote:I still can't wrap my mind around how much support Phil is shown by the fans and the owner. He's been a terrible mess and distraction every year. I am a fan so I keep rooting but this is absurd. This team will be overhauled again with new guys trying to learn a system that takes 2 years to get familiar with. What type of stuff is that. We gotta be patient...

...man please! Results or get out! This will be year 4!
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Re: Knicks pick up option on Phil Jackson for final 2 years 

Post#311 » by ny-n-md » Thu Apr 13, 2017 10:15 pm

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ny-n-md wrote:I still can't wrap my mind around how much support Phil is shown by the fans and the owner. He's been a terrible mess and distraction every year. I am a fan so I keep rooting but this is absurd. This team will be overhauled again with new guys trying to learn a system that takes 2 years to get familiar with. What type of stuff is that. We gotta be patient...

...man please! Results or get out! This will be year 4!

Yeah, what a mess Phil's created
We only have a future franchise player, a stud in Willy, a couple good future role players, all our first round picks, and plenty of cap flexibility

Look at the team in 2014, that was a mess
One pick over the next 3 drafts
Not one, but TWO albatross contracts in Amare and Bargnani
No good young players

We're so much worse off now than we were then, someone please save us!

That seems like a whole lot of assumptions being made. We don't know whether KP is franchise material yet, Willy is a stud or if the role players will pan out, let alone remain with this team. All we have for sure is our record and style of play. That has been a mess. Talk to me when your assumptions result in winning basketball. So far it is just hope.
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Re: Knicks pick up option on Phil Jackson for final 2 years 

Post#312 » by fresko024 » Thu Apr 13, 2017 10:17 pm

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fresko024 wrote:I'm glad Phil is sticking around for two more years. Give him a shot at seeing this thing through. It can't get worse..


It can't? Why not?


Our expectations after Melo traded will be so low as fans. We'd expect years of finishing in the top half of the lottery.

This past season, after trading for Rose, I think we all expected to make the playoffs at least. Hence the disappointment...
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Re: Knicks pick up option on Phil Jackson for final 2 years 

Post#313 » by Pr0nzingis » Thu Apr 13, 2017 11:12 pm

GONYK wrote:
Pr0nzingis wrote:Trading for Melo was one of the biggest mistakes in Knicks history.

Knicks gutted the team for someone they could get for free a couple months latter, just because Melo wanted the Knicks to gut the team for him because of his ego.
Knicks achieved nothing with him... during his reign the most significant moment was Linsanity! That says it all.

But worse, unlike all the other bad moves that were supposed to be good moves that immediately blowed in Knicks face, with Melo Knicks just kept committing to him.

It's over! Knicks got a unicorn on Porzingis and a really solid fundamentally sound center in WIlly in a era with no decent centers and no decent fundamentally sound players, and a top10 draft pick.

Let's move one.


This myth has been debunked hundreds of times over the years, yet it pops up in every thread that concerns Melo

It's almost as if people are purposely refusing to accept the facts, so they can keep peddling the same narrative :lol:

2012 NBA cap $58 millions
2012 Knicks total guaranteed $32 millions counting

Yep a Myth for sure. Worst case scenario Knicks lose Wilson Chandler and keep everything else, Gallinari and picks included.
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Re: Knicks pick up option on Phil Jackson for final 2 years 

Post#314 » by DOT » Thu Apr 13, 2017 11:16 pm

ny-n-md wrote:
K-DOT wrote:
ny-n-md wrote:I still can't wrap my mind around how much support Phil is shown by the fans and the owner. He's been a terrible mess and distraction every year. I am a fan so I keep rooting but this is absurd. This team will be overhauled again with new guys trying to learn a system that takes 2 years to get familiar with. What type of stuff is that. We gotta be patient...

...man please! Results or get out! This will be year 4!

Yeah, what a mess Phil's created
We only have a future franchise player, a stud in Willy, a couple good future role players, all our first round picks, and plenty of cap flexibility

Look at the team in 2014, that was a mess
One pick over the next 3 drafts
Not one, but TWO albatross contracts in Amare and Bargnani
No good young players

We're so much worse off now than we were then, someone please save us!

That seems like a whole lot of assumptions being made. We don't know whether KP is franchise material yet, Willy is a stud or if the role players will pan out, let alone remain with this team. All we have for sure is our record and style of play. That has been a mess. Talk to me when your assumptions result in winning basketball. So far it is just hope.

Guess Sam Hinkie is a terrible GM, then, cause his record is awful

I'll give you the young players are all assumptions, but we have more draft picks and a better cap situation, which is an actual fact, not an assumption
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Nikola Topic/Kasparas Jakucionis
VJ Edgecombe/Jrue Holiday
Shaedon Sharpe/Cedric Coward
Kyle Filipowski/Collin Murray-Boyles
Alex Sarr/Clint Capela

Bench: Malcolm Brogdon/Hansen Yang/Rocco Zikarsky/RJ Luis Jr.
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Post#315 » by ozwizard8 » Thu Apr 13, 2017 11:52 pm

K-DOT wrote:
ny-n-md wrote:I still can't wrap my mind around how much support Phil is shown by the fans and the owner. He's been a terrible mess and distraction every year. I am a fan so I keep rooting but this is absurd. This team will be overhauled again with new guys trying to learn a system that takes 2 years to get familiar with. What type of stuff is that. We gotta be patient...

...man please! Results or get out! This will be year 4!

Yeah, what a mess Phil's created
We only have a future franchise player, a stud in Willy, a couple good future role players, all our first round picks, and plenty of cap flexibility

Look at the team in 2014, that was a mess
One pick over the next 3 drafts
Not one, but TWO albatross contracts in Amare and Bargnani
No good young players

We're so much worse off now than we were then, someone please save us!

two albatross EXPIRING CONTRACTS!
Now we have C.Lee-Noah 4 year deals. We might sign an extension with D.Rose too.
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Re: Knicks pick up option on Phil Jackson for final 2 years 

Post#316 » by KnicksGadfly » Fri Apr 14, 2017 12:11 am

K-DOT wrote:
ny-n-md wrote:
K-DOT wrote:Yeah, what a mess Phil's created
We only have a future franchise player, a stud in Willy, a couple good future role players, all our first round picks, and plenty of cap flexibility

Look at the team in 2014, that was a mess
One pick over the next 3 drafts
Not one, but TWO albatross contracts in Amare and Bargnani
No good young players

We're so much worse off now than we were then, someone please save us!

That seems like a whole lot of assumptions being made. We don't know whether KP is franchise material yet, Willy is a stud or if the role players will pan out, let alone remain with this team. All we have for sure is our record and style of play. That has been a mess. Talk to me when your assumptions result in winning basketball. So far it is just hope.

Guess Sam Hinkie is a terrible GM, then, cause his record is awful

I'll give you the young players are all assumptions, but we have more draft picks and a better cap situation, which is an actual fact, not an assumption


Uhh Hinkie wanted to lose.

Phil's been trying to win, while proving his triangle is awesome.

By the way, if we were going to lose this bad these past few seasons, I'd rather have Hinkie in charge of this team by a LOT.
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Re: Knicks pick up option on Phil Jackson for final 2 years 

Post#317 » by whocares1 » Fri Apr 14, 2017 12:12 am

ny-n-md wrote:
K-DOT wrote:
ny-n-md wrote:I still can't wrap my mind around how much support Phil is shown by the fans and the owner. He's been a terrible mess and distraction every year. I am a fan so I keep rooting but this is absurd. This team will be overhauled again with new guys trying to learn a system that takes 2 years to get familiar with. What type of stuff is that. We gotta be patient...

...man please! Results or get out! This will be year 4!

Yeah, what a mess Phil's created
We only have a future franchise player, a stud in Willy, a couple good future role players, all our first round picks, and plenty of cap flexibility

Look at the team in 2014, that was a mess
One pick over the next 3 drafts
Not one, but TWO albatross contracts in Amare and Bargnani
No good young players

We're so much worse off now than we were then, someone please save us!

That seems like a whole lot of assumptions being made. We don't know whether KP is franchise material yet, Willy is a stud or if the role players will pan out, let alone remain with this team. All we have for sure is our record and style of play. That has been a mess. Talk to me when your assumptions result in winning basketball. So far it is just hope.


The same can be said for Minnesota. Is Towns really a franchise player? Wiggins? They won as many games as the Knicks. Is Tom even a good coach? Lost to the Lakers twice + OKC without WB.
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Re: Knicks pick up option on Phil Jackson for final 2 years 

Post#318 » by Greenie » Fri Apr 14, 2017 12:16 am

fresko024 wrote:I'm glad Phil is sticking around for two more years. Give him a shot at seeing this thing through. It can't get worse..

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Post#319 » by fresko024 » Fri Apr 14, 2017 12:20 am

Greenie wrote:
fresko024 wrote:I'm glad Phil is sticking around for two more years. Give him a shot at seeing this thing through. It can't get worse..

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Post#320 » by Greenie » Fri Apr 14, 2017 12:23 am

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Greenie wrote:
fresko024 wrote:I'm glad Phil is sticking around for two more years. Give him a shot at seeing this thing through. It can't get worse..

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