Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 6

Post #461 » by **nate33** » Thu Mar 30, 2017 4:51 pm

The RealGM ticker says that Jimmy Butler is "as good as gone" this offseason. I'm assuming the Celtics get him. If they trade, say, Marcus Smart plus their 2017 lotto pick this summer, they'll be left with an insanely good roster:

PG Isiah Thomas - Terry Rozier
SG Avery Bradley -
SF Jimmy Butler - Jaylen Brown
PF Jae Crowder -
C Al Horford - Tyler Zeller

That's a great team with incredible perimeter defense and smart, hardworking players all over.

They'll still have $16M in cap room to build out the depth. And they have Zizec coming from overseas plus the 19th pick in the draft.

payitforward · Post #462 » by **payitforward** » Thu Mar 30, 2017 5:45 pm

nate33 wrote:The RealGM ticker says that Jimmy Butler is "as good as gone" this offseason. I'm assuming the Celtics get him. If they trade, say, Marcus Smart plus their 2017 lotto pick this summer, they'll be left with an insanely good roster:

PG Isiah Thomas - Terry Rozier
SG Avery Bradley -
SF Jimmy Butler - Jaylen Brown
PF Jae Crowder -
C Al Horford - Tyler Zeller

That's a great team with incredible perimeter defense and smart, hardworking players all over.

They'll still have $16M in cap room to build out the depth. And they have Zizec coming from overseas plus the 19th pick in the draft.

As well as Olynyk, Yabusele (their #16 pick last year), & a bunch more young players to develop &/or use as trade assets -- don't sleep on Abdel Nader, who's been tearing up the D League as a rookie.

closg00 · Post #463 » by **closg00** » Sun Apr 9, 2017 5:30 pm

Good Lord! Boston will have a top-4 pick in the next draft thanks to bad GMing in Brooklyn. What contrast with our FO.

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europeanfan · Post #464 » by **europeanfan** » Sun Apr 9, 2017 5:41 pm

Boston will have to pay Isaiah/Bradley soon, I don't envy then. They also don't draft that well.

closg00 · Post #465 » by **closg00** » Sun Apr 9, 2017 6:35 pm

europeanfan wrote:Boston will have to pay Isaiah/Bradley soon, I don't envy then. They also don't draft that well.

Boston drafted Bradley

sfam · Post #466 » by **sfam** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 9:35 pm

Cleveland is resting almost their whole starting team for the Miami game, which makes it pretty likely that the Celtics get first place. In the second round we go against Boston, and Cleveland gets the Raptors.

heatcharger · Post #467 » by **heatcharger** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 10:19 pm

sfam wrote:Cleveland is resting almost their whole starting team for the Miami game, which makes it pretty likely that the Celtics get first place. In the second round we go against Boston, and Cleveland gets the Raptors.

Great news. Don't blow this Miami...

AFM · Post #468 » by **AFM** » Tue Apr 11, 2017 1:52 pm

No one gonna mention this?

Watch on YouTube

sfam · Post #469 » by **sfam** » Tue Apr 11, 2017 7:57 pm

AFM wrote:No one gonna mention this?

Watch on YouTube

I watched this game on NBA replay. What an amazing ending. Westbrook totally deserves the MVP trophy. You can make a case that perhaps Oscar Robertson didn't deserve it with Wilt sitting there with 50/25 average (who also didn't win), but its pretty clear Westbook deserves it this year.

If its done by record alone, Kawhi would win over Harden.

closg00 · Post #470 » by **closg00** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 12:58 pm

The Cavs continue to tweak their roster depth as they prepare for the playoffs, waiving Larry Sanders and signing Edy Tavares from the D. Why is Ernie content keeping Burke and not making any final moves before the playoffs?

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long suffrin' boulez fan · Post #471 » by **long suffrin' boulez fan** » Thu Apr 13, 2017 12:33 am

closg00 wrote:The Cavs continue to tweak their roster depth as they prepare for the playoffs, waiving Larry Sanders and signing Edy Tavares from the D. Why is Ernie content keeping Burke and not making any final moves before the playoffs?

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I thought players signed after March 1 were ineligible for the playoffs.

mictic · Post #472 » by **mictic** » Thu Apr 13, 2017 1:19 pm

long suffrin' boulez fan wrote:
closg00 wrote:The Cavs continue to tweak their roster depth as they prepare for the playoffs, waiving Larry Sanders and signing Edy Tavares from the D. Why is Ernie content keeping Burke and not making any final moves before the playoffs?

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I thought players signed after March 1 were ineligible for the playoffs.

My understanding is that the deadline applies for waiving a player: a player that was part of any NBA roster after march 31 is ineligible for the playoffs if signed by another team. However, if he is waived before the deadline or didn't play in the league at all he can sign with any team he likes, even after march 31.

Post #473 » by **nate33** » Thu Apr 13, 2017 2:41 pm

closg00 wrote:The Cavs continue to tweak their roster depth as they prepare for the playoffs, waiving Larry Sanders and signing Edy Tavares from the D. Why is Ernie content keeping Burke and not making any final moves before the playoffs?

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This seems like complaining for the sake of complaining. Do you really think Edy Tavares is going to make any difference for Cleveland? Do you really think dumping Burke and replacing him with some D-League guy is going to make a difference for us? Heck, I could actually see Burke being useful in a last-minute possession where we need a three with 6 seconds left on the clock, of if we need a to run out the clock and make free throws while sitting on a narrow lead.

Burke sucks, but he's a specialist who can do one thing well: shoot. He is legitimately an exceptional shooter. In the playoffs, you're better off having a 12th man who is a specialist at one particular thing, then a generalist who isn't really rotation-caliber at anything.

Mojo Amok · Post #474 » by **Mojo Amok** » Thu Apr 13, 2017 3:11 pm

I wonder if the Magic will aggressively shop guys in the offseason now that Hennigan's been fired.

They're pretty much all reclamation projects being a 'sum is worse than it's parts' sort of unit with the 29th ranked offense in the league; poor shooting, no stars to play off of, no real synergy.

I like Vucevic on talent and as someone who's probably undervalued, but his offensive game seems like its designed to fit into 1998 right now (he appears to be a terrible Roll Man too - 0.88 PPP). But it's amazing that he can put up those AST% and TOV% as a 7 footer and you have to wonder if he could shoot 36+% from 3 with his efficiency on the long 2's (which he really needs to stop shooting).

Kanyewest · Post #475 » by **Kanyewest** » Thu Apr 13, 2017 3:15 pm

nate33 wrote:
closg00 wrote:The Cavs continue to tweak their roster depth as they prepare for the playoffs, waiving Larry Sanders and signing Edy Tavares from the D. Why is Ernie content keeping Burke and not making any final moves before the playoffs?

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This seems like complaining for the sake of complaining. Do you really think Edy Tavares is going to make any difference for Cleveland? Do you really think dumping Burke and replacing him with some D-League guy is going to make a difference for us? Heck, I could actually see Burke being useful in a last-minute possession where we need a three with 6 seconds left on the clock, of if we need a to run out the clock and make free throws while sitting on a narrow lead.

Burke sucks, but he's a specialist who can do one thing well: shoot. He is legitimately an exceptional shooter. In the playoffs, you're better off having a 12th man who is a specialist at one particular thing, then a generalist who isn't really rotation-caliber at anything.

It seemed like the Cavs wouldn't have even made this move if it wasn't for some bad off court behavior by Sanders.

Read on Twitter

Kind of weird that the Cavs moved on from Liggins for Dahntay Jones; Frye/Jefferson commented on their podcast that they didn't like him as a teammate. Apparently since Dallas claimed Liggins off of waivers it saved them $2.5 million. Liggins may not have even been cut for basketball reasons.

closg00 · Post #476 » by **closg00** » Fri Apr 14, 2017 12:39 am

nate33 wrote:
closg00 wrote:The Cavs continue to tweak their roster depth as they prepare for the playoffs, waiving Larry Sanders and signing Edy Tavares from the D. Why is Ernie content keeping Burke and not making any final moves before the playoffs?

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This seems like complaining for the sake of complaining. Do you really think Edy Tavares is going to make any difference for Cleveland? Do you really think dumping Burke and replacing him with some D-League guy is going to make a difference for us? Heck, I could actually see Burke being useful in a last-minute possession where we need a three with 6 seconds left on the clock, of if we need a to run out the clock and make free throws while sitting on a narrow lead.

Burke sucks, but he's a specialist who can do one thing well: shoot. He is legitimately an exceptional shooter. In the playoffs, you're better off having a 12th man who is a specialist at one particular thing, then a generalist who isn't really rotation-caliber at anything.

No, just wondering aloud why EG was content with standing pat with the roster, as-if there was no way to improve the roster after acquiring Jennings. Burke is not part of Brooks rotation and won't be with the team next year.

Illmatic12 · Post #477 » by **Illmatic12** » Fri Apr 14, 2017 12:43 am

closg00 wrote:
nate33 wrote:
closg00 wrote:The Cavs continue to tweak their roster depth as they prepare for the playoffs, waiving Larry Sanders and signing Edy Tavares from the D. Why is Ernie content keeping Burke and not making any final moves before the playoffs?

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This seems like complaining for the sake of complaining. Do you really think Edy Tavares is going to make any difference for Cleveland? Do you really think dumping Burke and replacing him with some D-League guy is going to make a difference for us? Heck, I could actually see Burke being useful in a last-minute possession where we need a three with 6 seconds left on the clock, of if we need a to run out the clock and make free throws while sitting on a narrow lead.

Burke sucks, but he's a specialist who can do one thing well: shoot. He is legitimately an exceptional shooter. In the playoffs, you're better off having a 12th man who is a specialist at one particular thing, then a generalist who isn't really rotation-caliber at anything.

No, just wondering aloud why EG was content with standing pat with the roster, as-if there was no way to improve the roster after acquiring Jennings. Burke is not part of Brooks rotation and won't be with the team next year.

Jennings was signed on March 1, which is the last date a waived player can be added and still be eligible for the playoffs. So yeah..you pretty much have to stand pat once your playoff roster is locked in.

Post #478 » by **nate33** » Fri Apr 14, 2017 1:34 am

Illmatic12 wrote:
closg00 wrote:
nate33 wrote:This seems like complaining for the sake of complaining. Do you really think Edy Tavares is going to make any difference for Cleveland? Do you really think dumping Burke and replacing him with some D-League guy is going to make a difference for us? Heck, I could actually see Burke being useful in a last-minute possession where we need a three with 6 seconds left on the clock, of if we need a to run out the clock and make free throws while sitting on a narrow lead.

Burke sucks, but he's a specialist who can do one thing well: shoot. He is legitimately an exceptional shooter. In the playoffs, you're better off having a 12th man who is a specialist at one particular thing, then a generalist who isn't really rotation-caliber at anything.

No, just wondering aloud why EG was content with standing pat with the roster, as-if there was no way to improve the roster after acquiring Jennings. Burke is not part of Brooks rotation and won't be with the team next year.

Jennings was signed on March 1, which is the last date a waived player can be added and still be eligible for the playoffs. So yeah..you pretty much have to stand pat once your playoff roster is locked in.

Right. The only way EG could improve the roster after March 1st was to find a guy who was not in the league this year and have him join the team, learn the system, and be better than Burke. It's not realistic.

There are plenty of reasons to complain about EG. We don't need to invent additional reasons to do so.

80sballboy · Post #479 » by **80sballboy** » Fri Apr 14, 2017 2:40 am

Larry Sanders' NBA career should be over. This should be a precautionary tale for everybody that wanted to give him a third, fourth, or fifth chance on this board for the Wiz. Either he just doesn't get it or he might just have some mental issues that will hold him back. It's a damn shame because he has some talent but unless you are a lottery-bound horrific team, there's really no reason to take a chance on guy who is pretty good but he's not DeMarcus Cousins.

closg00 · Post #480 » by **closg00** » Fri Apr 14, 2017 12:34 pm

nate33 wrote:
Illmatic12 wrote:
closg00 wrote:
No, just wondering aloud why EG was content with standing pat with the roster, as-if there was no way to improve the roster after acquiring Jennings. Burke is not part of Brooks rotation and won't be with the team next year.

Jennings was signed on March 1, which is the last date a waived player can be added and still be eligible for the playoffs. So yeah..you pretty much have to stand pat once your playoff roster is locked in.

Right. The only way EG could improve the roster after March 1st was to find a guy who was not in the league this year and have him join the team, learn the system, and be better than Burke. It's not realistic.

There are plenty of reasons to complain about EG. We don't need to invent additional reasons to do so.

Got it, my timeline was wrong. I stand corrected.

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