Zach Collins

[BillyKingGM]

What do you guys think of Zach compared to Skal right now?

Skal showed nothing in terms of IQ, toughness, floor game, that's where Collins excels, Skal has a better, more proved jumpshot, good timing for blocks like Collins, I guess they share the concerns about bulking up or getting to the right level strength-wise,but other than that I dont see it.

I doubt you can ever survive with Skal as your only big, Collins can potentially anchor a defense.

Right he definitely didn't show any of those abilities at Kentucky, but he has shown all of this in the D league and so far in the NBA. I agree he probably won't ever be your "only" big, and Collins has that upside, but I don't think Collins is any farther along to being that "only" big than Skal is at this current point in time.

[TurboTitan]

someone takes him in the top 10 imo

[RipCity71252]

Dallas is probably his ceiling wherever that pick falls, but I think Cuban will want to take a bigger swing so I'd see them going with a guy like Bridges over him.

One of Chicago, Denver or Charlotte seems most likely though.

[Chi town]

someone takes him in the top 10 imo

He declared and hired an agent.


I think he will rise and go 8-10. After he tests out and shoots well from 3 in workouts scouts will see him as a potential 3D Center which could be an absolute game changer. He can protect the rim and PnR while also spacing the floor on offense with that 3 ball.

[Upperclass]

What do you guys think of Zach compared to Skal right now?

Skal showed nothing in terms of IQ, toughness, floor game, that's where Collins excels, Skal has a better, more proved jumpshot, good timing for blocks like Collins, I guess they share the concerns about bulking up or getting to the right level strength-wise,but other than that I dont see it.

I doubt you can ever survive with Skal as your only big, Collins can potentially anchor a defense.

Right he definitely didn't show any of those abilities at Kentucky, but he has shown all of this in the D league and so far in the NBA. I agree he probably won't ever be your "only" big, and Collins has that upside, but I don't think Collins is any farther along to being that "only" big than Skal is at this current point in time.

skal will end up alot like Frye. Collins is tougher and has room for a more complete game.

[GimmeDat]

Yep my gut is he goes top 10 as well, and quite easily at that.

[doordoor123]

Skal showed nothing in terms of IQ, toughness, floor game, that's where Collins excels, Skal has a better, more proved jumpshot, good timing for blocks like Collins, I guess they share the concerns about bulking up or getting to the right level strength-wise,but other than that I dont see it.

I doubt you can ever survive with Skal as your only big, Collins can potentially anchor a defense.

Right he definitely didn't show any of those abilities at Kentucky, but he has shown all of this in the D league and so far in the NBA. I agree he probably won't ever be your "only" big, and Collins has that upside, but I don't think Collins is any farther along to being that "only" big than Skal is at this current point in time.

skal will end up alot like Frye. Collins is tougher and has room for a more complete game.

Skal is only 21 and is already better than Frye ever was. Everyone thought he would be Frye before he was drafted if he worked out, but he's actually playing much better and showcasing more upside. He's pretty much the King's centerpiece moving forward.

[DraftGuru]

Yep my gut is he goes top 10 as well, and quite easily at that.

I don't see it. What am I missing? He'll be the first Collins taken but lottery seems really high for him.

[doordoor123]

Yep my gut is he goes top 10 as well, and quite easily at that.

I don't see it. What am I missing? He'll be the first Collins taken but lottery seems really high for him.

You're probably missing everything. He's an athletic 7 footer with a good wingspan that can stretch the floor, guard the wing, guard he inside, draws offensive fouls, has great timing on blocks, has patience in the post and makes the right moves. He also operates well in the P&R. He just needs a more consistent jumper and he needs to gain strength.

If you're comparing him to John Collins, John Collins cannot play defense.

[GimmeDat]

Honestly, Z.Collins reminds me Bender a bit. Similar frame (and yes they're both white), versatile defenders, smart players that will play there role and have tools inside and out on offense. Jumper has nice form and has potential but not prolific shooters yet.

Bender is undoubtedly the better prospect, but there's some similarities there.

[doordoor123]

Honestly, Z.Collins reminds me Bender a bit. Similar frame (and yes they're both white), versatile defenders, smart players that will play there role and have tools inside and out on offense. Jumper has nice form and has potential but not prolific shooters yet.

Bender is undoubtedly the better prospect, but there's some similarities there.

Bender has less explosiveness and he's even skinnier. I'd also say Bender is the better passer, but I think Collins has a better feel for the game. Collins is also more advanced skills-wise and he just has a better feel defensively. Bender is the better wing defender and better shooter. Collins also has bigger wingspan. Bender has a 7'1 wingspan and Collins has 7'4. Collins can play power forward, but he's a center.

[BillyKingGM]

Honestly, Z.Collins reminds me Bender a bit. Similar frame (and yes they're both white), versatile defenders, smart players that will play there role and have tools inside and out on offense. Jumper has nice form and has potential but not prolific shooters yet.

Bender is undoubtedly the better prospect, but there's some similarities there.

Bender has less explosiveness and he's even skinnier. I'd also say Bender is the better passer, but I think Collins has a better feel for the game. Collins is also more advanced skills-wise and he just has a better feel defensively. Bender is the better wing defender and better shooter. Collins also has bigger wingspan. Bender has a 7'1 wingspan and Collins has 7'4. Collins can play power forward, but he's a center.

Bender's "feel" on offense is far better than Collins'.

[doordoor123]

Honestly, Z.Collins reminds me Bender a bit. Similar frame (and yes they're both white), versatile defenders, smart players that will play there role and have tools inside and out on offense. Jumper has nice form and has potential but not prolific shooters yet.

Bender is undoubtedly the better prospect, but there's some similarities there.

Bender has less explosiveness and he's even skinnier. I'd also say Bender is the better passer, but I think Collins has a better feel for the game. Collins is also more advanced skills-wise and he just has a better feel defensively. Bender is the better wing defender and better shooter. Collins also has bigger wingspan. Bender has a 7'1 wingspan and Collins has 7'4. Collins can play power forward, but he's a center.

Bender's "feel" on offense is far better than Collins'.

Maybe I should have said Collins understands the game more, rather than feel. Collins just knows the places to be both on offense and defense. He thinks the game very well, while I think Bender has a more natural feel.

[BillyKingGM]

Bender has less explosiveness and he's even skinnier. I'd also say Bender is the better passer, but I think Collins has a better feel for the game. Collins is also more advanced skills-wise and he just has a better feel defensively. Bender is the better wing defender and better shooter. Collins also has bigger wingspan. Bender has a 7'1 wingspan and Collins has 7'4. Collins can play power forward, but he's a center.

Bender's "feel" on offense is far better than Collins'.

Maybe I should have said Collins understands the game more, rather than feel. Collins just knows the places to be both on offense and defense. He thinks the game very well, while I think Bender has a more natural feel.

Yeah Collins seems to have his head in what he needs to do, but he seem a little... slow on offense. I think that's fine for a guy his age, and something he will overcome, but Bender doesn't seem to have that issue. Collins seems to realize where he needs to go and what he needs to do, but it seems like it just takes him too long to realize. Definitely better than where a lot of bigs in this class are. I don't see why anyone would prefer Collins to Hartenstein, though.

[pantalones]

Honestly, Z.Collins reminds me Bender a bit. Similar frame (and yes they're both white), versatile defenders, smart players that will play there role and have tools inside and out on offense. Jumper has nice form and has potential but not prolific shooters yet.

Bender is undoubtedly the better prospect, but there's some similarities there.

I don't agree with this at all. ZC has an advanced offensive game, is a great rebounder, great defender and great motor. He just has to work on silly fouls and not biting on fakes. My guess is he winds up going top 10.

[doordoor123]

Honestly, Z.Collins reminds me Bender a bit. Similar frame (and yes they're both white), versatile defenders, smart players that will play there role and have tools inside and out on offense. Jumper has nice form and has potential but not prolific shooters yet.

Bender is undoubtedly the better prospect, but there's some similarities there.

I don't agree with this at all. ZC has an advanced offensive game, is a great rebounder, great defender and great motor. He just has to work on silly fouls and not biting on fakes. My guess is he winds up going top 10.

They're different kinds of prospects. Bender is a stretch PF with more fluidity and Collins is a low post center that can play PF with more verticality. Bender has better offensive instincts and Collins has better defensive instincts. As a power forward Bender has a lot of upside and as a center Collins has a lot of upside. But let's be honest, I'd take them both over Markkanen.

[GimmeDat]

Maybe my comment speaks more to my opinion on Bender. He was 3rd on my board last year.

[HotelVitale]

[quote="doordoor123" Skal is only 21 and is already better than Frye ever was... He's pretty much the King's centerpiece moving forward.[/quote] This is OT but what would give you the impression that Skal is 'better than Frye ever was'? Frye spent a few years as an above average starter and Skal played 600 minutes this season--95% of which were in NBA garbage season in the last 6 weeks of the season--and put up okay raw #s and bad advanced #s (negative VORP, negative BPM, #72 of PFs in RPM).

I don't mean to knock Skal and I'd be happy if I was a Kings fan, but Frye earned minutes on good, competitive teams and contributed positively to them for a while. Skal put up okay numbers for a team that didn't give a f who was playing, doesn't seem fair to compare them.

[916fan]

Bender's "feel" on offense is far better than Collins'.

Maybe I should have said Collins understands the game more, rather than feel. Collins just knows the places to be both on offense and defense. He thinks the game very well, while I think Bender has a more natural feel.

Yeah Collins seems to have his head in what he needs to do, but he seem a little... slow on offense. I think that's fine for a guy his age, and something he will overcome, but Bender doesn't seem to have that issue. Collins seems to realize where he needs to go and what he needs to do, but it seems like it just takes him too long to realize. Definitely better than where a lot of bigs in this class are. I don't see why anyone would prefer Collins to Hartenstein, though.

With Hartenstein, it's hard to get a feel for him as a player. Hartenstein isn't getting a lot of minutes in a weak league. Upside is there, but I don't know if he can put it together. There's also many articles calling out his attitude and maturity.

Collins seems to be the much safer pick.

[EricAnderson]

He'd fit perfectly next to Jokic in Denver but I don't think he lasts that far