Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 6

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[tontoz]

Phil Jackson has really made a mess in NY.

Jackson also talked about the possibility of trading away Carmelo Anthony.

"We've not been able to win with him on the court," said Jackson. "I think the direction with our team is that (Carmelo) would be better off somewhere else."

Phil is the one that signed him to that deal with the no trade clause.

[closg00]

Paul George is a goner next year, if you're the Pacers, do you try to trade him to someone picking in the Top-3?

[pcbothwel]

Paul George is a goner next year, if you're the Pacers, do you try to trade him to someone picking in the Top-3?

No team is giving up a top 3-5 pick for PG13. Lakers are #1 on his list and they have cap space. Clippers dont have cap space, but they dont have any assets (Jordan?). No other team would take the risk for anything too good. If Boston cant land Hayward or Griffin, maybe they get desperate and send the 2018 Nets pick.

Portland is an interesting candidate as they have assets, location, and no cap space. Those are the real ingredients to any team wanting to trade for him.

[Rafael122]

No clue what Boston's end game is. Just seems like Ainge is kicking the can further down the road so he doesn't have to make a decision on whether to go all in or just keep at it. Apparently their target is Josh Jackson, well they just drafted Jaylen Brown and if they're rumored to go after Hayward, then Jackson is essentially blocked for his entire rookie contract. Honestly, I like it more for Philly because if all their guys are healthy, I would not be shocked if they're the top team in the East in 5 years.

As for Boston, they will presumably have two top 5 picks plus their own pick which will be in the 20s for the 2018 draft. Butler is signed for two more seasons. If I were Chicago, I'd ask for one of those picks, Smart and Crowder.

[pcbothwel]

No clue what Boston's end game is. Just seems like Ainge is kicking the can further down the road so he doesn't have to make a decision on whether to go all in or just keep at it. Apparently their target is Josh Jackson, well they just drafted Jaylen Brown and if they're rumored to go after Hayward, then Jackson is essentially blocked for his entire rookie contract. Honestly, I like it more for Philly because if all their guys are healthy, I would not be shocked if they're the top team in the East in 5 years.

As for Boston, they will presumably have two top 5 picks plus their own pick which will be in the 20s for the 2018 draft. Butler is signed for two more seasons. If I were Chicago, I'd ask for one of those picks, Smart and Crowder.

I dont like the trade for Boston unless they move 3 for Butler... but even then its questionable.

LA could see a nice uptick with Ball moving Russell to the 2, along with improvements from Randle, Nance, Zubac, and Ingram.
I could easily seeing them getting a pick in the 7-11 range and then Boston gets the Sacramento pick.
With Skal, Hield, WCS, and two top ten picks this year... they could also be good enough to be in the 7-12 range by 2019.

[Illmatic12]

This was a slick move by the Sixers, excited to see that young team play together.

[verbal8]

This was a slick move by the Sixers, excited to see that young team play together.

It seems pretty cheap to move up for the Sixers.

It would be kind of amusing if the Lakers pass on Ball and the Celtics draft him and trade down again.

For the Celtics, I think this might be about maneuvering for trade assets. There isn't a likely trade target that would warrant using the number 1 pick, but if they could add a couple using the assortment of high picks they now have - they could be a challenge to the Cavs.

[nate33]

No clue what Boston's end game is. Just seems like Ainge is kicking the can further down the road so he doesn't have to make a decision on whether to go all in or just keep at it. Apparently their target is Josh Jackson, well they just drafted Jaylen Brown and if they're rumored to go after Hayward, then Jackson is essentially blocked for his entire rookie contract. Honestly, I like it more for Philly because if all their guys are healthy, I would not be shocked if they're the top team in the East in 5 years.

As for Boston, they will presumably have two top 5 picks plus their own pick which will be in the 20s for the 2018 draft. Butler is signed for two more seasons. If I were Chicago, I'd ask for one of those picks, Smart and Crowder.

I absolutely LOVE this move by the Celtics. Danny Ainge again shows why he is such a good GM. It's all about asset accumulation. The Celtics didn't want another PG so they moved down just 2 spots and potentially pick up ANOTHER top 5 lotto pick in next year's draft.

[Rafael122]

No clue what Boston's end game is. Just seems like Ainge is kicking the can further down the road so he doesn't have to make a decision on whether to go all in or just keep at it. Apparently their target is Josh Jackson, well they just drafted Jaylen Brown and if they're rumored to go after Hayward, then Jackson is essentially blocked for his entire rookie contract. Honestly, I like it more for Philly because if all their guys are healthy, I would not be shocked if they're the top team in the East in 5 years.

As for Boston, they will presumably have two top 5 picks plus their own pick which will be in the 20s for the 2018 draft. Butler is signed for two more seasons. If I were Chicago, I'd ask for one of those picks, Smart and Crowder.

I absolutely LOVE this move by the Celtics. Danny Ainge again shows why he is such a good GM. It's all about asset accumulation. The Celtics didn't want another PG so they moved down just 2 spots and potentially pick up ANOTHER top 5 lotto pick in next year's draft.

Eh IDK, basically if next year's pick falls between 2-5, the Sixers keep the pick and it moves to the Kings 2019 draft pick. I really doubt the Lakers will win enough games to land in the 6th spot in the lottery. So Philly picks up Fultz and still have a chance at Luka Doncic or Michael Porter. If Fultz is Kyrie Irving lite, I just don't see why Boston would pass up on that. Again if the end game is Butler, then everyone wins, but Philly wins this.

[gravytrain24]

No clue what Boston's end game is. Just seems like Ainge is kicking the can further down the road so he doesn't have to make a decision on whether to go all in or just keep at it. Apparently their target is Josh Jackson, well they just drafted Jaylen Brown and if they're rumored to go after Hayward, then Jackson is essentially blocked for his entire rookie contract. Honestly, I like it more for Philly because if all their guys are healthy, I would not be shocked if they're the top team in the East in 5 years.

As for Boston, they will presumably have two top 5 picks plus their own pick which will be in the 20s for the 2018 draft. Butler is signed for two more seasons. If I were Chicago, I'd ask for one of those picks, Smart and Crowder.

I absolutely LOVE this move by the Celtics. Danny Ainge again shows why he is such a good GM. It's all about asset accumulation. The Celtics didn't want another PG so they moved down just 2 spots and potentially pick up ANOTHER top 5 lotto pick in next year's draft.

Eh IDK, basically if next year's pick falls between 2-5, the Sixers keep the pick and it moves to the Kings 2019 draft pick. I really doubt the Lakers will win enough games to land in the 6th spot in the lottery. So Philly picks up Fultz and still have a chance at Luka Doncic or Michael Porter. If Fultz is Kyrie Irving lite, I just don't see why Boston would pass up on that. Again if the end game is Butler, then everyone wins, but Philly wins this.

This is a great trade on both parts. The sixers get a a dual threat point to play alongside the young pieces they already have. Meanwhile the celtics, still get more 1st round picks to either keep or more likely trade to actually contend. What sucks is that both of these may be better than the wizards next year and for the future.

[ClutchDJ]

Ainge is going to keep accumulating these assets until 2031.

[ClutchDJ]

No clue what Boston's end game is. Just seems like Ainge is kicking the can further down the road so he doesn't have to make a decision on whether to go all in or just keep at it. Apparently their target is Josh Jackson, well they just drafted Jaylen Brown and if they're rumored to go after Hayward, then Jackson is essentially blocked for his entire rookie contract. Honestly, I like it more for Philly because if all their guys are healthy, I would not be shocked if they're the top team in the East in 5 years.

As for Boston, they will presumably have two top 5 picks plus their own pick which will be in the 20s for the 2018 draft. Butler is signed for two more seasons. If I were Chicago, I'd ask for one of those picks, Smart and Crowder.

I absolutely LOVE this move by the Celtics. Danny Ainge again shows why he is such a good GM. It's all about asset accumulation. The Celtics didn't want another PG so they moved down just 2 spots and potentially pick up ANOTHER top 5 lotto pick in next year's draft.

Eh IDK, basically if next year's pick falls between 2-5, the Sixers keep the pick and it moves to the Kings 2019 draft pick. I really doubt the Lakers will win enough games to land in the 6th spot in the lottery. So Philly picks up Fultz and still have a chance at Luka Doncic or Michael Porter. If Fultz is Kyrie Irving lite, I just don't see why Boston would pass up on that. Again if the end game is Butler, then everyone wins, but Philly wins this.

This.

Ainge may have a good track record with trades, but not so much at all when it comes to identifying talent/drafting. I fail to see how Philly doesn't win this trade easily. Billy King is somewhere laughing right now.

[nate33]

No clue what Boston's end game is. Just seems like Ainge is kicking the can further down the road so he doesn't have to make a decision on whether to go all in or just keep at it. Apparently their target is Josh Jackson, well they just drafted Jaylen Brown and if they're rumored to go after Hayward, then Jackson is essentially blocked for his entire rookie contract. Honestly, I like it more for Philly because if all their guys are healthy, I would not be shocked if they're the top team in the East in 5 years.

As for Boston, they will presumably have two top 5 picks plus their own pick which will be in the 20s for the 2018 draft. Butler is signed for two more seasons. If I were Chicago, I'd ask for one of those picks, Smart and Crowder.

I absolutely LOVE this move by the Celtics. Danny Ainge again shows why he is such a good GM. It's all about asset accumulation. The Celtics didn't want another PG so they moved down just 2 spots and potentially pick up ANOTHER top 5 lotto pick in next year's draft.

Eh IDK, basically if next year's pick falls between 2-5, the Sixers keep the pick and it moves to the Kings 2019 draft pick. I really doubt the Lakers will win enough games to land in the 6th spot in the lottery. So Philly picks up Fultz and still have a chance at Luka Doncic or Michael Porter. If Fultz is Kyrie Irving lite, I just don't see why Boston would pass up on that. Again if the end game is Butler, then everyone wins, but Philly wins this.

From the RealGM link on this:

According to Derek Bodner, the Celtics will get the Lakers pick if it falls between two and five in 2018 and will get the 2019 pick if not.

The Lakers are very likely to be one of the five worst teams in the league next year. That top 5 pick should convey to Boston next summer. Ainge traded a #1 overall pick in this draft for the #3 pick plus next year's #2-5 pick. Given that isn't that much disparity between #1 and #3 in this draft, and Ainge didn't want a PG anyway, I think it's a great move.

[payitforward]

I absolutely LOVE this move by the Celtics. Danny Ainge again shows why he is such a good GM. It's all about asset accumulation. The Celtics didn't want another PG so they moved down just 2 spots and potentially pick up ANOTHER top 5 lotto pick in next year's draft.

Eh IDK, basically if next year's pick falls between 2-5, the Sixers keep the pick and it moves to the Kings 2019 draft pick. I really doubt the Lakers will win enough games to land in the 6th spot in the lottery. So Philly picks up Fultz and still have a chance at Luka Doncic or Michael Porter. If Fultz is Kyrie Irving lite, I just don't see why Boston would pass up on that. Again if the end game is Butler, then everyone wins, but Philly wins this.

This.

Ainge may have a good track record with trades, but not so much at all when it comes to identifying talent/drafting. I fail to see how Philly doesn't win this trade easily. Billy King is somewhere laughing right now.

As with most trades, there's something in this for both sides. It's certainly NOT the case that Philly does better than Boston. At the same time, it's easy to see why Philly is willing to unload a high pick to move up -- look at the 11 rookie contracts on their roster!

We'll be further & further in Boston's tail lights the next few years; in Philly's tail lights too soon enough.

[nate33]

Eh IDK, basically if next year's pick falls between 2-5, the Sixers keep the pick and it moves to the Kings 2019 draft pick. I really doubt the Lakers will win enough games to land in the 6th spot in the lottery. So Philly picks up Fultz and still have a chance at Luka Doncic or Michael Porter. If Fultz is Kyrie Irving lite, I just don't see why Boston would pass up on that. Again if the end game is Butler, then everyone wins, but Philly wins this.

This.

Ainge may have a good track record with trades, but not so much at all when it comes to identifying talent/drafting. I fail to see how Philly doesn't win this trade easily. Billy King is somewhere laughing right now.

As with most trades, there's something in this for both sides. It's certainly NOT the case that Philly does better than Boston. At the same time, it's easy to see why Philly is willing to unload a high pick to move up -- look at the 11 rookie contracts on their roster!

We'll be further & further in Boston's tail lights the next few years; in Philly's tail lights too soon enough.

Agreed. By praising Danny Ainge, I didn't mean to imply that he swindled the Sixers. This strikes me as a trade that works very well for both teams. The Sixers' biggest need is a young PG with superstar potential, and Fultz is exactly that. The Celtics' biggest need is to maximize their asset base in order to trade for a veteran star. In the abstract, a #3 pick this year plus a # 2-5 pick next year has more value than just the #1 pick this year.

[pcbothwel]

This.

Ainge may have a good track record with trades, but not so much at all when it comes to identifying talent/drafting. I fail to see how Philly doesn't win this trade easily. Billy King is somewhere laughing right now.

As with most trades, there's something in this for both sides. It's certainly NOT the case that Philly does better than Boston. At the same time, it's easy to see why Philly is willing to unload a high pick to move up -- look at the 11 rookie contracts on their roster!

We'll be further & further in Boston's tail lights the next few years; in Philly's tail lights too soon enough.

Agreed. By praising Danny Ainge, I didn't mean to imply that he swindled the Sixers. This strikes me as a trade that works very well for both teams. The Sixers' biggest need is a young PG with superstar potential, and Fultz is exactly that. The Celtics' biggest need is to maximize their asset base in order to trade for a veteran star. In the abstract, a #3 pick this year plus a # 2-5 pick next year has more value than just the #1 pick this year.

Nate, This is only a good move if Boston trades back again (I.E. to Kings for 5 & 10) and picks DSJ, Tatum, etc. Or if it for Jimmy Butler...
But that future 1st could be very underwhelming. Why?
The Nets, Magic and possibly Bulls (Wade opt out and Butler trade) could all be worse than the Lakers in the east. The Suns, Kings, Mavs will all be bad the West, with the Nuggets appearing close to drop without Gallo.
The Lakers will have Ball, who will not only be good by himself, but will also help guys around him and allow Russell to move to the 2. Ingram HAS to be better than last year, and then they still have Nance, Randle, and Zubac.

I could see them getting pick 6-8 pretty easily.... And then it goes to the 2019 Sacramento pick.
First off, any pick 2 years away has to be discounted even if its in the top 5. That said, I dont see why everyone is so sold that it will be.
The kings could be looking at a roster this year with young players such as DSJ/Fox, Zach Collins, WCS, Buddy Hield, and Skal. While I dont see any stars there, I see a lot of solid players. I figure they will be terrible next year, but then in summer of 2018 they will have all those same young guys with another year of experience, plus a top 3 pick (Michael Porter?) and 80M+ in cap space.

Tell me how many games the following team wins:
DSJ
Hield
Porter Jr.
WCS
Collins

Add in 2-3 out of: Derrick Favors, Avery Bradley, Ariza, Trevor Booker, Deandre Jordan, PG13, Danny Green....

I could see a team handing Boston over the 8th-10th pick in the 2019 draft... Not all that great

[dckingsfan]

I think we have to wait to see what Ainge does? If it allows him to bring on a max player and he does so... well then.

[Illmatic12]

This.

Ainge may have a good track record with trades, but not so much at all when it comes to identifying talent/drafting. I fail to see how Philly doesn't win this trade easily. Billy King is somewhere laughing right now.

As with most trades, there's something in this for both sides. It's certainly NOT the case that Philly does better than Boston. At the same time, it's easy to see why Philly is willing to unload a high pick to move up -- look at the 11 rookie contracts on their roster!

We'll be further & further in Boston's tail lights the next few years; in Philly's tail lights too soon enough.

Agreed. By praising Danny Ainge, I didn't mean to imply that he swindled the Sixers. This strikes me as a trade that works very well for both teams. The Sixers' biggest need is a young PG with superstar potential, and Fultz is exactly that. The Celtics' biggest need is to maximize their asset base in order to trade for a veteran star. In the abstract, a #3 pick this year plus a # 2-5 pick next year has more value than just the #1 pick this year.

Does it though? I would think that the 2017 #1 pick alone is more valuable in a trade than the 2017 #3 (who we know is going to be Jackson, Ball or Tatum less prized prospects than Fultz) and a pick next year in that same range.

Fultz is considered a cornerstone prospect, a home run who would have more value than two doubles. And if the Lakers pick doesn't convey next year and the pick ends up being the 2019 Kings it lowers the value even more.

[FAH1223]

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