Welcome Simmons

kriss73 · Post #1721 » by **kriss73** » Fri Apr 14, 2017 2:40 pm

Let's say Cov is our poor man Worthy, who is the Norm Nixon in this draft?

phiphan · Post #1722 » by **phiphan** » Fri Apr 14, 2017 2:52 pm

Probably DSJ. Sounds like Brown wants another initiator on offense, which makes a lot of sense.

cksdayoff · Post #1723 » by **cksdayoff** » Fri Apr 14, 2017 3:12 pm

Eyeamok wrote:
Unbreakable99 wrote:Simmons is a beast on defense.

Read on Twitter

Wow zero F's were given on that day.

i mean, that little kid was a knicks fan so...

76ciology · Post #1724 » by **76ciology** » Fri Apr 14, 2017 3:40 pm

Im overreacting and it's me reading more than what's between the lines. But it doesn't sound like BB and JC are confident with Simmons shooting. But yeah, I do like the idea of BS playing full time PG and being able to collapse the D like a LeBron, Wade or John Wall.

Sixersftw · Post #1725 » by **Sixersftw** » Fri Apr 14, 2017 4:48 pm

76ciology wrote:Im overreacting and it's me reading more than what's between the lines. But it doesn't sound like BB and JC are confident with Simmons shooting. But yeah, I do like the idea of BS playing full time PG and being able to collapse the D like a LeBron, Wade or John Wall.

I think they are just realistic. If he took a logical, good, leap as a shooter from now to opening night Ben would still only be an average Shooter at best.

BC said in his end of the year presser that he thinks that Ben is going to guard most point guards. I remember hearing about Simmons guarding the **** out of Harden before he was drafted but this still scares the **** out of me.

cksdayoff · Post #1726 » by **cksdayoff** » Fri Apr 14, 2017 5:04 pm

Sixersftw wrote:
76ciology wrote:Im overreacting and it's me reading more than what's between the lines. But it doesn't sound like BB and JC are confident with Simmons shooting. But yeah, I do like the idea of BS playing full time PG and being able to collapse the D like a LeBron, Wade or John Wall.

I think they are just realistic. If he took a logical, good, leap as a shooter from now to opening night Ben would still only be an average Shooter at best.

An average shooter makes Ben a superstar

Sixersftw · Post #1727 » by **Sixersftw** » Fri Apr 14, 2017 5:18 pm

cksdayoff wrote:
Sixersftw wrote:
76ciology wrote:Im overreacting and it's me reading more than what's between the lines. But it doesn't sound like BB and JC are confident with Simmons shooting. But yeah, I do like the idea of BS playing full time PG and being able to collapse the D like a LeBron, Wade or John Wall.

I think they are just realistic. If he took a logical, good, leap as a shooter from now to opening night Ben would still only be an average Shooter at best.

An average shooter makes Ben a superstar

Sure it does but I was just replying to BB and JC not trusting his shot, particularly in terms of roster shaping. Of course they shouldn't right now. They can't afford for Ben to share the backcourt with a non-shooter at this point.

XtremeDunkz · Post #1728 » by **XtremeDunkz** » Fri Apr 14, 2017 6:03 pm

Lebron is an average shooter on his good days, Giannis can't shoot. Ben will be fine.

Unbreakable99 · Post #1729 » by **Unbreakable99** » Fri Apr 14, 2017 6:03 pm

76ciology wrote:Im overreacting and it's me reading more than what's between the lines. But it doesn't sound like BB and JC are confident with Simmons shooting. But yeah, I do like the idea of BS playing full time PG and being able to collapse the D like a LeBron, Wade or John Wall.

No one should be confident that Simmons will be a good shooter. If he does become one then great. If he never becomes a good one then that's not good but he can still be an elite player with a bad jumper. Giannis and LeBron are stars without reliable jump shots. Brett and BC are being realistic as they should be. Until Simmons proves he can hit shots consistently then they should move forward as if he won't be able to shoot. He's not going to be a good shooter next year. People should lower their expectations on that. I hope he can become at least a 35% 3 point shooter in 3 or 4 years though.

eagereyez · Post #1730 » by **eagereyez** » Fri Apr 14, 2017 6:31 pm

Simmons should work on his FT% first and foremost. Get the repetiton and mechanics down on the line, makes it easier to transfer that skill to the rest of the court. He's going to be a foul drawing machine, so it would serve him well if he could hit 75%-85% of his FTs.

76ciology · Post #1731 » by **76ciology** » Sat Apr 15, 2017 12:23 am

BS can guard PGs just not full time IMO. It will wear him down. But then I expect us to be heavy on switching screens, that will prevent him to guard PGs full time.

Quite frankly, I'd take my chances on D when opponents put BS on iso against their PGs. Iso offense itself is inefficient much more when they are being defended by BS. I only respect two PGs out there. Westbrook and Curry.

Post #1732 » by **CoreyGallagher** » Sat Apr 15, 2017 12:32 am

I don't think it would be that much of an issue if the other perimeter defenders are capable enough to switch, which out defense does already and those that can't switch get weeded out.

LongLiveHinkie · Post #1733 » by **LongLiveHinkie** » Sat Apr 15, 2017 12:53 am

Giannis is overrated though, and Lebron is one of the most athletic and strong players ever. Simmons isn't Lebron athletic or strong. He's not as athletic is Giannis either. Simmons will need a jumper to become a superstar. That doesn't mean he has to shoot 40% from 3, but he has to be at least league average for him to be a superstar.

76thBearCub · Post #1734 » by **76thBearCub** » Sat Apr 15, 2017 12:55 am

9 times out of 10, Simmons is going to be one of the biggest 3 or 4 guys on the court. He needs to be in position to rebound.

Post #1735 » by **CoreyGallagher** » Sat Apr 15, 2017 1:01 am

76thBearCub wrote:9 times out of 10, Simmons is going to be one of the biggest 3 or 4 guys on the court. He needs to be in position to rebound.

I think with Saric or Covington with him, we could make it work. It's tough to theorize because it's weird.

Unbreakable99 · Post #1736 » by **Unbreakable99** » Sat Apr 15, 2017 1:39 am

LongLiveHinkie wrote:Giannis is overrated though, and Lebron is one of the most athletic and strong players ever. Simmons isn't Lebron athletic or strong. He's not as athletic is Giannis either. Simmons will need a jumper to become a superstar. That doesn't mean he has to shoot 40% from 3, but he has to be at least league average for him to be a superstar.

Giannis isn't overrated but I agree that Simmons must shoot better. If he can't shoot it will limit him greatly. Players will go under screens. He can still be effective and even great without a reliable jumper but it will be a lot tougher.

Post #1737 » by **Sixerscan** » Sat Apr 15, 2017 1:53 am

LongLiveHinkie wrote:Giannis is overrated though, and Lebron is one of the most athletic and strong players ever. Simmons isn't Lebron athletic or strong. He's not as athletic is Giannis either. Simmons will need a jumper to become a superstar. That doesn't mean he has to shoot 40% from 3, but he has to be at least league average for him to be a superstar.

He hasn't played a game yet. This is how development works. You give him some clear cut stuff to improve at. Then once he masters that he moves onto other things.

This idea that he's just going to improve at everything is unrealistic.

LongLiveHinkie · Post #1738 » by **LongLiveHinkie** » Sat Apr 15, 2017 1:56 am

Unbreakable99 wrote:
LongLiveHinkie wrote:Giannis is overrated though, and Lebron is one of the most athletic and strong players ever. Simmons isn't Lebron athletic or strong. He's not as athletic is Giannis either. Simmons will need a jumper to become a superstar. That doesn't mean he has to shoot 40% from 3, but he has to be at least league average for him to be a superstar.

Giannis isn't overrated but I agree that Simmons must shoot better. If he can't shoot it will limit him greatly. Players will go under screens. He can still be effective and even great without a reliable jumper but it will be a lot tougher.

Depends on what you think of Giannis. He isn't a #1 on a championship team. I've heard people refer to him as one of the 8 best NBA players, and in that respect, he is definitely overrated. He's not a superstar yet.

Ben Simmons was being lauded as "the next Lebron" or "the next Magic" coming out of the draft. Now, even if they were hyperbole, the hype of Ben Simmons was a talent with the ability to become one of the 5 best players in the NBA if not one of the top 3. He had that kind of hype. For him to reach that level, then he needs a jumper.

LongLiveHinkie · Post #1739 » by **LongLiveHinkie** » Sat Apr 15, 2017 1:59 am

Sixerscan wrote:
LongLiveHinkie wrote:Giannis is overrated though, and Lebron is one of the most athletic and strong players ever. Simmons isn't Lebron athletic or strong. He's not as athletic is Giannis either. Simmons will need a jumper to become a superstar. That doesn't mean he has to shoot 40% from 3, but he has to be at least league average for him to be a superstar.

He hasn't played a game yet. This is how development works. You give him some clear cut stuff to improve at. Then once he masters that he moves onto other things.

This idea that he's just going to improve at everything is unrealistic.

I didn't mention everything, just his jumper. It's a necessity he improves it. I have confidence he will improve it, the question is how much.

Let's face it, and I'm going to be perfectly blunt here. Ben Simmons has to reach a certain level, and if he does not reach that level as a player, then basically we have wasted two years of tanking with very little to show for it. If Ben Simmons does not become a bonafide stone cold NBA superstar, then last year's tank season(and the one with Okafor) will have been a complete and total waste.

And as someone who has fully supported The Process, and tanking... you couldn't have supported it more than I did... if Simmons does not become a superstar then The Process will have been a failure. I hate to admit it. Tanking 3 years to only get one superstar out of it is a failure. So basically the entire process hinges on Simmons' development.

Unbreakable99 · Post #1740 » by **Unbreakable99** » Sat Apr 15, 2017 2:04 am

LongLiveHinkie wrote:
Sixerscan wrote:
LongLiveHinkie wrote:Giannis is overrated though, and Lebron is one of the most athletic and strong players ever. Simmons isn't Lebron athletic or strong. He's not as athletic is Giannis either. Simmons will need a jumper to become a superstar. That doesn't mean he has to shoot 40% from 3, but he has to be at least league average for him to be a superstar.

He hasn't played a game yet. This is how development works. You give him some clear cut stuff to improve at. Then once he masters that he moves onto other things.

This idea that he's just going to improve at everything is unrealistic.

I didn't mention everything, just his jumper. It's a necessity he improves it. I have confidence he will improve it, the question is how much.

Let's face it, and I'm going to be perfectly blunt here. Ben Simmons has to reach a certain level, and if he does not reach that level as a player, then basically we have wasted two years of tanking with very little to show for it. If Ben Simmons does not become a bonafide stone cold NBA superstar, then last year's tank season(and the one with Okafor) will have been a complete and total waste.

And as someone who has fully supported The Process, and tanking... you couldn't have supported it more than I did... if Simmons does not become a superstar then The Process will have been a failure. I hate to admit it. Tanking 3 years to only get one superstar out of it is a failure. So basically the entire process hinges on Simmons' development.

Disagree. If Simmons never reaches superstar level and only becomes another Iguoldala then it's not a total waste. It would be disappointing though. We would just have an Igoudlala level player who can be a 3rd piece on a championship level team. He just wouldn't be a guy who could be he guy to take on the scoring lead. We would just have to find a guy who can. Maybe this draft will be one. I find it very hard that Simmons busts. His floor without ever getting a jump shot should a top least be an above average player.