2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread Volume 2

[LloydFree]

Id rather have a chance at getting a franchise type PG than get a Jamal Crawford type minus the handles

Correct. Until you know what Ben Simmons is, you keep trying to maximize talent. For the 76ers, drafting role players in the top 5, when star talent is still available on the board, is stupid. The 76ers have more than enough assets to acquire a shooter through free-agency or later in the draft.

[ProcessDoctor]

My only problem with taking DSJ is that if we have picks 4 and 5, our other pick would HAVE to be someone who plays off the ball. Does this mean we would pass on the better prospects in Tatum or Jackson if they're available? I think taking DSJ + Tatum/Jackson would go against everything they've been saying. I don't think Monk's a better prospect, but I still think he makes more sense here.

Can Monk get his shot off though? Stauskas was a better college player and he's average at best. All you have to do is put a 6'6 player on him and he will struggle to get his shot.

I think it depends where you play him on the court. At Kentucky, larger defenders usually matched up with him, while the smaller defenders guarded Fox. If you play him against PGs in the NBA in a non-traditional PG role (a la what they're trying to do with Bayless), then he'll have a much better chance of succeeding. As an undersized 2-guard, I agree he will have a tough time. Also, you have to consider that at Kentucky he was option 1A/1B, whereas here he'd have much less attention here as option 3/4. Furthermore, he is a better athlete than Stuaskas. Regardless, I still agree that Fultz/Ball/Jackson/Tatum/DSJ/Isaac are all better prospects in a vacuum. Only time will tell what the FO thinks of him.

On another note, with B.C. saying we need a 4-man, maybe Isaac is a legit stretch-4 option they'll be looking at? Based on what BC/BB are saying, I wouldn't be shocked if we left the draft with something like Isaac + Monk. Add KCP (B.C. said we'll be "players in free agency") and we have ourselves a team.

Bayless/Monk/TJ
KCP/TLC/Stuaskas
Simmons/Cov/Anderson
Isaac/Saric/Poythress
Embiid/Holmes/Long

I honestly don't like the idea of having more than one player on the court bigger than Simmons (i.e. Embiid), but it seems like they are insisting on trying this.

[cksdayoff]

My only problem with taking DSJ is that if we have picks 4 and 5, our other pick would HAVE to be someone who plays off the ball. Does this mean we would pass on the better prospects in Tatum or Jackson if they're available? I think taking DSJ + Tatum/Jackson would go against everything they've been saying. I don't think Monk's a better prospect, but I still think he makes more sense here.

Can Monk get his shot off though? Stauskas was a better college player and he's average at best. All you have to do is put a 6'6 player on him and he will struggle to get his shot.

Monk can definitely get his shot off, he's more athletic than Stauskus. Monk getting his shot off should be the least of your worries.

[ivysixer2000]

My only problem with taking DSJ is that if we have picks 4 and 5, our other pick would HAVE to be someone who plays off the ball. Does this mean we would pass on the better prospects in Tatum or Jackson if they're available? I think taking DSJ + Tatum/Jackson would go against everything they've been saying. I don't think Monk's a better prospect, but I still think he makes more sense here.

Can Monk get his shot off though? Stauskas was a better college player and he's average at best. All you have to do is put a 6'6 player on him and he will struggle to get his shot.

That's what Carolina did to Monk, Justin Jackson is 6'8". Justin didn't guard him as much in their first game.

Granted if we start Ben, Cov, Dario, and Embiid.....we could guard against that with other height. As a person, I'm not a fan of Monk, but on the court with most teams I figure he would be better off as a Vernon Maxwell type instead of a starter. On our particular team though, he could be a starter if we put Ben at PG.

[eagereyez]

My only problem with taking DSJ is that if we have picks 4 and 5, our other pick would HAVE to be someone who plays off the ball. Does this mean we would pass on the better prospects in Tatum or Jackson if they're available? I think taking DSJ + Tatum/Jackson would go against everything they've been saying. I don't think Monk's a better prospect, but I still think he makes more sense here.

Can Monk get his shot off though? Stauskas was a better college player and he's average at best. All you have to do is put a 6'6 player on him and he will struggle to get his shot.

Monk can definitely get his shot off, he's more athletic than Stauskus. Monk getting his shot off should be the least of your worries.

Yeah especially if hes being defended by opposing PGs. Getting a quality starter with the 5th pick (Monk is now 5th on my board) is pretty good in most drafts. I think Monk would be a quality starter for us, but worse on most other teams.

[Unbreakable99]

My only problem with taking DSJ is that if we have picks 4 and 5, our other pick would HAVE to be someone who plays off the ball. Does this mean we would pass on the better prospects in Tatum or Jackson if they're available? I think taking DSJ + Tatum/Jackson would go against everything they've been saying. I don't think Monk's a better prospect, but I still think he makes more sense here.

Can Monk get his shot off though? Stauskas was a better college player and he's average at best. All you have to do is put a 6'6 player on him and he will struggle to get his shot.

I think it depends where you play him on the court. At Kentucky, larger defenders usually matched up with him, while the smaller defenders guarded Fox. If you play him against PGs in the NBA in a non-traditional PG role (a la what they're trying to do with Bayless), then he'll have a much better chance of succeeding. As an undersized 2-guard, I agree he will have a tough time. Also, you have to consider that at Kentucky he was option 1A/1B, whereas here he'd have much less attention here as option 3/4. Furthermore, he is a better athlete than Stuaskas. Regardless, I still agree that Fultz/Ball/Jackson/Tatum/DSJ/Isaac are all better prospects in a vacuum. Only time will tell what the FO thinks of him.

On another note, with B.C. saying we need a 4-man, maybe Isaac is a legit stretch-4 option they'll be looking at? Based on what BC/BB are saying, I wouldn't be shocked if we left the draft with something like Isaac + Monk. Add KCP (B.C. said we'll be "players in free agency") and we have ourselves a team.

Bayless/Monk/TJ
KCP/TLC/Stuaskas
Simmons/Cov/Anderson
Isaac/Saric/Poythress
Embiid/Holmes/Long

I honestly don't like the idea of having more than one player on the court bigger than Simmons (i.e. Embiid), but it seems like they are insisting on trying this.

Covington is starting. No rookie is sliding him to the bench.

[smittybanton]

If we get Lonzo Ball and Jayson Tatum, it's a wrap!!!!!!!

Ben Simmons, Lonzo Ball, Robert Covington, Dario Saric, Joel Embiid
Jerryd Bayless, Andre Igoudala, Jayson Tatum, Ersan Ilyasova, Jahlil Okafor
TJ McConnell, Nik Stauskas, Timothe Luwawu-C, Furkan Korkmaz, Richaun Holmes

[SparksFly87]

Fultz is the ultimate prize. After him Issac and Monk are excellent fits for us

Issac at 4 rotation with Dario is amazing.
Monk as successor to Bayless longterm.


Simmons/TJ/ Stauskus
Bayless/ Stauskus / Monk
Covington/ Luwawu/ Anderson
Saric/ Issac/ Poystress
Jojo/ Holmes / Long or Spliter

[Unbreakable99]

It might be best to get the second or third pick instead of the first. I only say this because I think if we are first I think we might take Fultz who I do like. I would always want the top pick so I'm not being a hypocrite. I just don't want us takin Fultz if we get the top pick. If we are second or third we can take Ball Tatum or Jackson. I don't think BC would take Ball if he's there so that leaves Tatum or Jackson. I'll take that. After hearing BC I think he may have Tatum ahead of Jackson. Tatum is younger and a better shooter and can also defend. I like Tatum so I'm good with it.

[ProcessDoctor]

Spoiler:

I think it depends where you play him on the court. At Kentucky, larger defenders usually matched up with him, while the smaller defenders guarded Fox. If you play him against PGs in the NBA in a non-traditional PG role (a la what they're trying to do with Bayless), then he'll have a much better chance of succeeding. As an undersized 2-guard, I agree he will have a tough time. Also, you have to consider that at Kentucky he was option 1A/1B, whereas here he'd have much less attention here as option 3/4. Furthermore, he is a better athlete than Stuaskas. Regardless, I still agree that Fultz/Ball/Jackson/Tatum/DSJ/Isaac are all better prospects in a vacuum. Only time will tell what the FO thinks of him.

On another note, with B.C. saying we need a 4-man, maybe Isaac is a legit stretch-4 option they'll be looking at? Based on what BC/BB are saying, I wouldn't be shocked if we left the draft with something like Isaac + Monk. Add KCP (B.C. said we'll be "players in free agency") and we have ourselves a team.

Bayless/Monk/TJ
KCP/TLC/Stuaskas
Simmons/Cov/Anderson
Isaac/Saric/Poythress
Embiid/Holmes/Long

I honestly don't like the idea of having more than one player on the court bigger than Simmons (i.e. Embiid), but it seems like they are insisting on trying this.

Covington is starting. No rookie is sliding him to the bench.

I also think he should, but I'm just going off what B.C. said today...he made it sound like they want a stretch-4, and if we sign someone like KCP then the only logical solution is moving Cov to the bench.

However, if we draft a wing with enormous upside at the 4th/5th pick (i.e. Isaac/Tatum/Jackson) then I think Cov eventually becomes a 3&D 6th/7th man when they are ready to take over. If he's not open to that role, then we trade him knowing we have a replacement in place. That's the benefit of having a multitude of draft picks. I don't think you pass on any one of those players just because you have Covington in place.

[cksdayoff]

im praying we dont get kcp. i'd rather go with what we have, and sign a guy like patty mills or reddick

[smittybanton]

Jordan Brand Classic on ESPN2. Just getting into second half...

[PLO]

So assuming Simmons is playing PG next year we'll likely need an off-ball guard who defends well with decent shooting. If you could somehow merge the best traits of Fox and Monk into one prospect we might be getting somewhere.