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>There's still plenty of construction left to do, but it'll be time to start leaving port fairly soon. Rather than repeating the same high octane offense/entertainment based tact that has delivered countless WCFs ceilings for close to 50 years...put the focus on defense from top to bottom NOW. This tough climb to the first title needs to start (and will finish) with a deep, unrelenting commitment to defense.
>I know there's a good crop of big men in next year's draft, but I would do everything I can to completely disable the tank for next season by trading the 2018 #1 for good return. By itself, in a package...even as a beneficial pick swap of some sort. Not having that teat to suck on, will do both the team and Suns fans good. Getting better AND winning would be all that's available for the bottom line...good for body & soul. F the '18 tank, it's time to start moving upward and adjusting elements as you go.
>I know there's a good crop of big men in next year's draft, but I would do everything I can to completely disable the tank for next season by trading the 2018 #1 for good return. By itself, in a package...even as a beneficial pick swap of some sort. Not having that teat to suck on, will do both the team and Suns fans good. Getting better AND winning would be all that's available for the bottom line...good for body & soul. F the '18 tank, it's time to start moving upward and adjusting elements as you go.
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ChrisInAZ wrote:>There's still plenty of construction left to do, but it'll be time to start leaving port fairly soon. Rather than repeating the same high octane offense/entertainment based tact that has delivered countless WCFs ceilings for close to 50 years...put the focus on defense from top to bottom NOW. This tough climb to the first title needs to start (and will finish) with a deep, unrelenting commitment to defense.
>I know there's a good crop of big men in next year's draft, but I would do everything I can to completely disable the tank for next season by trading the 2018 #1 for good return. By itself, in a package...even as a beneficial pick swap of some sort. Not having that teat to suck on, will do both the team and Suns fans good. Getting better AND winning would be all that's available for the bottom line...good for body & soul. F the '18 tank, it's time to start moving upward and adjusting elements as you go.
I see what you want to do but that's a big leap of faith in a year for big men. The move could set the franchise back years if we end up not being good in the year immediately following a season we only won 24 games. I guess it depends on the return.
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itlnsunsfan wrote:ChrisInAZ wrote:>There's still plenty of construction left to do, but it'll be time to start leaving port fairly soon. Rather than repeating the same high octane offense/entertainment based tact that has delivered countless WCFs ceilings for close to 50 years...put the focus on defense from top to bottom NOW. This tough climb to the first title needs to start (and will finish) with a deep, unrelenting commitment to defense.
>I know there's a good crop of big men in next year's draft, but I would do everything I can to completely disable the tank for next season by trading the 2018 #1 for good return. By itself, in a package...even as a beneficial pick swap of some sort. Not having that teat to suck on, will do both the team and Suns fans good. Getting better AND winning would be all that's available for the bottom line...good for body & soul. F the '18 tank, it's time to start moving upward and adjusting elements as you go.
I see what you want to do but that's a big leap of faith in a year for big men. The move could set the franchise back years if we end up not being good in the year immediately following a season we only won 24 games. I guess it depends on the return.
If that '18 pick just evaporated for no reason...zero return, the Suns would not be set back for years, so...
If the current Suns team had gone balls to the wall for wins this season, they'd be sittin' in the #7 to #11 spot right now...34 Ws is closer to reality. If a brought back exact same team (not advocating) plus a top 4 pick can't move up into 9-14 range, something is horribly wrong with the construction.
Likely already have the Heat pick in the middle of round one.
Make wins wins again.
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1a.) Draft Fultz. If we get the No 1 pick in the lottery, this gives the Suns a couple weeks to shop Eric Bledsoe. I can see the Knicks wanting him if Hornacek pushes hard enough. The problem for me though is, who do I want with the Knicks pick? I really like Warren and he has shown he can be our starting SF. I wish there were a few big men in the early part of the draft. If the Knicks don't want to deal, then I know the Mavs will be willing to give up their pick for Bledsoe, at least I'm hoping.
Keep all the youth and let them gel. I would start Fultz/Booker/Warren/Chriss/Bender. Have Ulis/Jones Jr/Alan Williams as our hustling bench mob. Knight can be traded for anything at this point, maybe package him with Bledsoe? Keep Len if we can for under 14mil. For 20-24 minutes off the bench and in certain lineups he should be serviceable.
1b.) Draft Josh Jackson. If we end up with the No 2 pick we take JJ. I'd love to keep Warren but I can see some conflict arising sometime down the road. Bledsoe/Ulis is a very solid PG rotation, until Bledsoe's knees wear down. This pick excites me a lot because as much as I want Fultz, I really enjoy Ulis too. Either way, Fultz/JJ I'll be happy.
1c.) Outside the top 3. This sucks, but I'm trading the pick. Are the Pelicans really going to risk losing Cousins for nothing after this season? Will Cousins sign with them knowing that roster can't get much better with Hill/Asik/Moore eating 30mil for the next 3 years? Not to mention Holiday might command 20mil this offseason. Not going to go in specifics but this reminds me of that article where they mentioned a GM called the Suns FO and asked what they would trade for Amare, even though the Suns still had Amare on the roster.
I think we have very different roads we can take but it all depends where we pick in this draft.
Keep all the youth and let them gel. I would start Fultz/Booker/Warren/Chriss/Bender. Have Ulis/Jones Jr/Alan Williams as our hustling bench mob. Knight can be traded for anything at this point, maybe package him with Bledsoe? Keep Len if we can for under 14mil. For 20-24 minutes off the bench and in certain lineups he should be serviceable.
1b.) Draft Josh Jackson. If we end up with the No 2 pick we take JJ. I'd love to keep Warren but I can see some conflict arising sometime down the road. Bledsoe/Ulis is a very solid PG rotation, until Bledsoe's knees wear down. This pick excites me a lot because as much as I want Fultz, I really enjoy Ulis too. Either way, Fultz/JJ I'll be happy.
1c.) Outside the top 3. This sucks, but I'm trading the pick. Are the Pelicans really going to risk losing Cousins for nothing after this season? Will Cousins sign with them knowing that roster can't get much better with Hill/Asik/Moore eating 30mil for the next 3 years? Not to mention Holiday might command 20mil this offseason. Not going to go in specifics but this reminds me of that article where they mentioned a GM called the Suns FO and asked what they would trade for Amare, even though the Suns still had Amare on the roster.
I think we have very different roads we can take but it all depends where we pick in this draft.
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Draft BPA regardless of position/role, nobody in this team is good enough to justify anything else, at 2th that guy is Jackson for me, at 32 and 54 there are some interesting guys, gotta sign some others as dual-contracts for your dleague affiliate too.
Trade Bledsoe, maybe before draft night to get another pick, maybe during the Draft, or maybe after the offseason, whenever it is, he needs to get moved.
Weigh the market for Barbosa, Dudley, Chandler, Knight, they get move if the right offer is there, but I don't sacrifice assets to move them nor lose them for nothing.
Extend the QO for Len and Williams, wait for what the market offers and then decide, I'd not much anything higher than what Tarik Black got for Alan, and nothing higher than 30-35m$ for 3 years for Len.
You can extend potentially Warren, I'd not do that unless he comes at a discount price, I don't think I believe in him as a starter and rotation wings are valuable but to a certain extent, the most I'd offer it's something like 50m$ for 4 years, if not wait until next summer.
Including the QOs for those two guys, and the draft fellas+assuming you get similar $ back in a Bledsoe deal, you are gonna have around 25m$ in capspace.
I'd use that in two venues;
1. get some bad contracts in exchange of getting picks (Meyers Leonard, Evan Turner, Dwight Powell, Monta Ellis, Al Jefferson, John Henson, Omer Asik, Alexis Ajinça, Quincy Pondexter, Solomon Hill, Kyle Singler, are a few of those) try to be opportunistic about that and if a team needs capspace to sign other guys, let's say the Pels or the Thunder do, offer that cap flexibility in exchange of picks/draft rights of guys you deem interesting.
of that list even though all of them are under bad contracts and likely wont amount much for your team, guys like Leonard, Powell, Henson, Pondexter and Hill are more interesting to me, as guys that you might get on for free or receiving an asset from their previous team and you might be able to revive their value and get something for them down the road, and if not their salaries don't bother you a whole lot through a rebuilding process.
2. target undervalued players, both internationally/dleague wise and in the NBA FA market, those guys can either be part of the next great Suns team because they are young enough or can be used as a trade chips for picks later on because you sign them to good deals and some other team comes for them; some names are;
· Jalen Jones, Jameel Warney, Eric Moreland, JP Tokoto in the dleague, several one of them have been signed late in the years by NBA teams.
· Facundo Campazzo, DeAndre Kane, Raymar Morgan, Drew Gordon, Ekpe Udoh, Nicolo Melli, Johannes Voigtman, Tyler Honeycutt, Chris Singleton, Khem Birch, Scottie Wilbekin, Brad Wanamaker, Shane Larkin, Stefan Jovic, Jan Vesely, Darius Miller, Augusto Lima, Maodo Lo, Kostas Sloukas, Thomas Heurtel, Edwin Jackson playing in Europe, there are more guys ofc, and I havent check anything about other lower leagues (both in Europe and Asia).
· James Young, Reggie Bullock, James Michael McAdoo, Troy Williams, Tyler Ennis, Donatas Motiejunas, Ben McLemore, Alan Williams, Jeff Withey as NBA players that might be undervalued or assets on the current deals they can get.
Finally move forward with a team that embraces a more diverse offense, even if you start Ulis all year long (that should help) try to work to involve Bender more in the game, continue using the vets that don't get move as a pieces that help sustain the roster.
next year, rinse and repeat, until you have a solid group of young guys that are good enough to move forward and you have cashed in enough of those tickets.
Trade Bledsoe, maybe before draft night to get another pick, maybe during the Draft, or maybe after the offseason, whenever it is, he needs to get moved.
Weigh the market for Barbosa, Dudley, Chandler, Knight, they get move if the right offer is there, but I don't sacrifice assets to move them nor lose them for nothing.
Extend the QO for Len and Williams, wait for what the market offers and then decide, I'd not much anything higher than what Tarik Black got for Alan, and nothing higher than 30-35m$ for 3 years for Len.
You can extend potentially Warren, I'd not do that unless he comes at a discount price, I don't think I believe in him as a starter and rotation wings are valuable but to a certain extent, the most I'd offer it's something like 50m$ for 4 years, if not wait until next summer.
Including the QOs for those two guys, and the draft fellas+assuming you get similar $ back in a Bledsoe deal, you are gonna have around 25m$ in capspace.
I'd use that in two venues;
1. get some bad contracts in exchange of getting picks (Meyers Leonard, Evan Turner, Dwight Powell, Monta Ellis, Al Jefferson, John Henson, Omer Asik, Alexis Ajinça, Quincy Pondexter, Solomon Hill, Kyle Singler, are a few of those) try to be opportunistic about that and if a team needs capspace to sign other guys, let's say the Pels or the Thunder do, offer that cap flexibility in exchange of picks/draft rights of guys you deem interesting.
of that list even though all of them are under bad contracts and likely wont amount much for your team, guys like Leonard, Powell, Henson, Pondexter and Hill are more interesting to me, as guys that you might get on for free or receiving an asset from their previous team and you might be able to revive their value and get something for them down the road, and if not their salaries don't bother you a whole lot through a rebuilding process.
2. target undervalued players, both internationally/dleague wise and in the NBA FA market, those guys can either be part of the next great Suns team because they are young enough or can be used as a trade chips for picks later on because you sign them to good deals and some other team comes for them; some names are;
· Jalen Jones, Jameel Warney, Eric Moreland, JP Tokoto in the dleague, several one of them have been signed late in the years by NBA teams.
· Facundo Campazzo, DeAndre Kane, Raymar Morgan, Drew Gordon, Ekpe Udoh, Nicolo Melli, Johannes Voigtman, Tyler Honeycutt, Chris Singleton, Khem Birch, Scottie Wilbekin, Brad Wanamaker, Shane Larkin, Stefan Jovic, Jan Vesely, Darius Miller, Augusto Lima, Maodo Lo, Kostas Sloukas, Thomas Heurtel, Edwin Jackson playing in Europe, there are more guys ofc, and I havent check anything about other lower leagues (both in Europe and Asia).
· James Young, Reggie Bullock, James Michael McAdoo, Troy Williams, Tyler Ennis, Donatas Motiejunas, Ben McLemore, Alan Williams, Jeff Withey as NBA players that might be undervalued or assets on the current deals they can get.
Finally move forward with a team that embraces a more diverse offense, even if you start Ulis all year long (that should help) try to work to involve Bender more in the game, continue using the vets that don't get move as a pieces that help sustain the roster.
next year, rinse and repeat, until you have a solid group of young guys that are good enough to move forward and you have cashed in enough of those tickets.
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-Draft BPA with our pick.
-Trade Bledsoe for another lottery pick (perhaps to Dallas or Minnesota)
-Extend TJ if we can get him at a good price.
-Extend Len up to $10mil a year (4 years max)
-Extend Sauce up to $8 mil a year (3 years max)
-Hand over the keys to Ulis/Booker/TJ/Chriss and make the rookies earn their spot. If we snag Ball/Fultz/Fox, they need to beat out Ulis. If we snag Jackson or Tatum, they need to outplay TJ.
-We can either trade Knight or give him once last shot to be our 2nd string 2 guard. Either way I don't care. But he's probably better gone.
-I'd like to keep Tyson as our vet leader and anchor even if we keep Len and Sauce.
-Keep Dudley and Barbosa for leadership
Ulis/#17 pick
Booker/Barbosa - maybe Knight
TJ/#17 pick
Chriss/Bender/Dudley
Tyson/Len/Sauce
Wouldn't mind trying to showcase Knight in the early season off the bench to pump and dump his value.
-Trade Bledsoe for another lottery pick (perhaps to Dallas or Minnesota)
-Extend TJ if we can get him at a good price.
-Extend Len up to $10mil a year (4 years max)
-Extend Sauce up to $8 mil a year (3 years max)
-Hand over the keys to Ulis/Booker/TJ/Chriss and make the rookies earn their spot. If we snag Ball/Fultz/Fox, they need to beat out Ulis. If we snag Jackson or Tatum, they need to outplay TJ.
-We can either trade Knight or give him once last shot to be our 2nd string 2 guard. Either way I don't care. But he's probably better gone.
-I'd like to keep Tyson as our vet leader and anchor even if we keep Len and Sauce.
-Keep Dudley and Barbosa for leadership
Ulis/#17 pick
Booker/Barbosa - maybe Knight
TJ/#17 pick
Chriss/Bender/Dudley
Tyson/Len/Sauce
Wouldn't mind trying to showcase Knight in the early season off the bench to pump and dump his value.

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-Draft Josh Jackson.
-Trade Knight.
-Extend Williams.
-Trade Knight.
-Extend Williams.
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I'm hoping we don't do anything significant other than draft well. I want to see us improve a little bit in every area rather than trying to solve all our problems in one offseason. I'm hoping we'll protect the ball a little better, pass a little better, defend a little better, space the court a little better, communicate a little better, make small improvements in fouling and improve a little from the 3 point line. Do all those things, even if they are just minor improvements and we'll be fighting for a playoff spot next season.
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Take BPA with our pick, and a Euro stash with our second rounder.
Even if we draft a PG, I dont want to see Bled traded away. Draft first, see the fit, then if we need, trade later.
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Even if we draft a PG, I dont want to see Bled traded away. Draft first, see the fit, then if we need, trade later.
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DRK wrote:Take BPA with our pick, and a Euro stash with our second rounder.
Even if we draft a PG, I dont want to see Bled traded away. Draft first, see the fit, then if we need, trade later.
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I understand the logic but for me, it just doesn't matter. I don't want to trade Eric because he's not good enough for us or anything like that. I only want to move him because I want nothing to do with his next contract negotiation. I desperately want him gone before that process even comes close to beginning. So, whether or not we have a good fit with his replacement means very little in the long run. And I think we need to move him before his value starts plummeting as his deadline approaches.
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Commit to the core; move the young vets for value; re-sign Williams and Warren to reasonable deals.
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Draft a player that becomes an All-Star, Devin Booker works on what he needs to to become an All-Star.
The rest of it like Warren, Len, Williams is nice but players 4-15 are easy to replace even if they're totally blank spots as long as you have 1-2-3 sorted.
The rest of it like Warren, Len, Williams is nice but players 4-15 are easy to replace even if they're totally blank spots as long as you have 1-2-3 sorted.
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Zelaznyrules wrote:DRK wrote:Take BPA with our pick, and a Euro stash with our second rounder.
Even if we draft a PG, I dont want to see Bled traded away. Draft first, see the fit, then if we need, trade later.
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I understand the logic but for me, it just doesn't matter. I don't want to trade Eric because he's not good enough for us or anything like that. I only want to move him because I want nothing to do with his next contract negotiation. I desperately want him gone before that process even comes close to beginning. So, whether or not we have a good fit with his replacement means very little in the long run. And I think we need to move him before his value starts plummeting as his deadline approaches.
This is the best, most succinct Bledsoe trade reasoning I've come across so far.
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itlnsunsfan wrote:Zelaznyrules wrote:DRK wrote:Take BPA with our pick, and a Euro stash with our second rounder.
Even if we draft a PG, I dont want to see Bled traded away. Draft first, see the fit, then if we need, trade later.
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I understand the logic but for me, it just doesn't matter. I don't want to trade Eric because he's not good enough for us or anything like that. I only want to move him because I want nothing to do with his next contract negotiation. I desperately want him gone before that process even comes close to beginning. So, whether or not we have a good fit with his replacement means very little in the long run. And I think we need to move him before his value starts plummeting as his deadline approaches.
This is the best, most succinct Bledsoe trade reasoning I've come across so far.
I think this is fair. The time will be running out on his health, his agent is going to want max money, and we are going to want to spend that money elsewhere. But that does not mean we need to trade him now. We have a year before the next contract becomes an issue.
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I gotta remind you guys that next season is Bledsoe's injury season.


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Hey guys. My offseason hopes/wishes are
Draft: Ball (if we think we can handle his dad's mouth)
Trade: Bledsoe and Warren for whoever drafts Josh Jackson + a throw in.
Trade: Knight for anything.
Resign Len if it's a good price
Ball/Ulis
Booker/Barbosa
Jackson/Warren
Chriss/Bender
Chandler/Len
Make playoffs
Draft: Ball (if we think we can handle his dad's mouth)
Trade: Bledsoe and Warren for whoever drafts Josh Jackson + a throw in.
Trade: Knight for anything.
Resign Len if it's a good price
Ball/Ulis
Booker/Barbosa
Jackson/Warren
Chriss/Bender
Chandler/Len
Make playoffs
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Sunsfan12 wrote:Hey guys. My offseason hopes/wishes are
Draft: Ball (if we think we can handle his dad's mouth)
Trade: Bledsoe and Warren for whoever drafts Josh Jackson + a throw in.
Trade: Knight for anything.
Resign Len if it's a good price
Ball/Ulis
Booker/Barbosa
Jackson/Warren
Chriss/Bender
Chandler/Len
Make playoffs
1. Change Ball to Fultz and I'm down.
2. If you trot out such a young team (with either Ball or Fultz), Booker, JJ and Chriss, you are a bottom 5 team in the league - which I don't mind, we would have a legit shot at Bamba or Ayton.
3. Make playoffs.
4. Win multiple championships.
# waiting for the next chapter
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I think it is important for McDo to put the finishing touch on his remodeled rebuild. Either we go forward by adding a significant veteran piece in the mold of PG/JB/? or we move away from the Bledsoe ball pounding regime.
Our path looks like a coin flipper based on our lotto selection...If we begin this off season by selecting Jackson, i.e. not getting #1/Fultz, then there is very little reason to deal Bled as our PG position is solid. If anything, Ulis has shown the ability to cut fragile Bled's minutes down to sub 30 any given night. Now of course, if some team gets a 'rager' for Bled and a kid like FrankTn has impressed McDo, then by all means, promote Ulis and draft his back up with the Bledsoe Offering. Adding 2 lottos this year would ice the youther movement cake.
However, we get #1, (and GDit we are due!), its a future backcourt of Book, Ulis, and Fultz.... we then we slide Bled off for future picks at the very least.
With Knight in tow and DJJ's intriguing arrival, and ending up with Fultz or even Ball, I dont see the need/room to add a player in place of Bled. Throw EBs value down the road, much like with Dragic. It smarted some then, but there is no denying those picks in the future have a mysterious attraction.
I guess, in summary.....though I like the thought of adding an all star and certainly see that as a road McDo is eying...Zelany reminded me of the 'Rich Paul Affair'.
Its time to trade Bledsoe. Period.
Our path looks like a coin flipper based on our lotto selection...If we begin this off season by selecting Jackson, i.e. not getting #1/Fultz, then there is very little reason to deal Bled as our PG position is solid. If anything, Ulis has shown the ability to cut fragile Bled's minutes down to sub 30 any given night. Now of course, if some team gets a 'rager' for Bled and a kid like FrankTn has impressed McDo, then by all means, promote Ulis and draft his back up with the Bledsoe Offering. Adding 2 lottos this year would ice the youther movement cake.
However, we get #1, (and GDit we are due!), its a future backcourt of Book, Ulis, and Fultz.... we then we slide Bled off for future picks at the very least.
With Knight in tow and DJJ's intriguing arrival, and ending up with Fultz or even Ball, I dont see the need/room to add a player in place of Bled. Throw EBs value down the road, much like with Dragic. It smarted some then, but there is no denying those picks in the future have a mysterious attraction.
I guess, in summary.....though I like the thought of adding an all star and certainly see that as a road McDo is eying...Zelany reminded me of the 'Rich Paul Affair'.
Its time to trade Bledsoe. Period.
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Frank Lee wrote:...
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Its time to trade Bledsoe. Period.
Who are you and what have you done with Frank Lee?!

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Suns traded Mikal Bridges, Cam Johnson, Jae Crowder and 4 1st round picks and a swap so some Vegas Bookies would like us.
Suns traded Mikal Bridges, Cam Johnson, Jae Crowder and 4 1st round picks and a swap so some Vegas Bookies would like us.