dre is closer to being a good player than svg is to being a good coach

davidvolumes · Post #1 » by **davidvolumes** » Sat Apr 15, 2017 2:23 pm

Dre is seriously flawed but svg doesn't appear to be able to reach dre. They don't relate to each other cant communicate with each other effectively. Dre doesn't respect svg. To be honest I am not sure svg has earned or deserves respect buts that's another story. Dre still has a world of potential. Rather than trade dre or let him stew in svg mess I suggest step aside as coach and allow younger eyes to take our pistons to the next level. Svg seems incapable of this. Easier to get a new coach than a franchise big.

MotownMadness · Post #2 » by **MotownMadness** » Sat Apr 15, 2017 2:25 pm

Dre is lazy with a terrible motor and no competitiveness . SVG is high strung with a non stop competitive motor. They are definitely opposite for sure.

vic · Post #3 » by **vic** » Sat Apr 15, 2017 3:42 pm

Amazing comment from Deetroiter:
Oh please. Not one word about your own two MASSIVE MISTAKES that cost this team a playoff appearance. You shoved an injured PG back in to the starting rotation when he wasn't even close to fully healthy. Your team was 1 game over 500 after 21, thats 4 games over for the season, or it should have been. They had just won 4 of 5 and 3 straight road games in DOMINATING fasion including over the conference eventual number 1 seed and over the Hawks, another playoff team by almost 40 at one point in that second half. The team was high fiving, having a blast, hugging, laughing, they had finally found a winning recipe.

The very next day you shove an injured pg out there to start instead of giving him ten mpg off the bench until he was able to prove he was 100 percent, and that was the beginning of the fall. That was where it all started. That's where the team chemistry went to H E double toothpicks. Nothing was ever the same since.

You made a coaching mistake that was beneath high school level coaching. Then, your ego couldn't let you correct the mistake. No, you tried to sweep it under the rug and pretend it was something else. You began benching Tobias and starting Leuer, as if Tobias was the cause. EVERYONE knew what the cause was. Most fans knew in just a few games that you had made a huge error and many said it could destroy the season and that is exactly what happened.

Your second massive mistake was yet to come. You spouted off about how Baynes was a starter in this league, which was just laughable. He gets hurt, Boban comes in for four meaningful games and averages 10 and 10 in 16 mpg. The fans again said, "Hey, this guy can contribute" He was putting up 20 and 20 in 32 mpg average, that's more than our starting center and WAYYYYYY more than Baynes was putting out. But again, your ego couldn't take it after spouting that nonsense about Baynes, so nope, you wouldn't use Boban.

Now look at what Boban did at the end of the season. 27 in his first game, I know another he had 14 and 11 boards, and good numbers a couple other times. Anyone want to figure out what his averages are now adding these last few games he played at the end to the 10 and 10 average he put up when he got a chance to play earlier in the year?

The point is, Boban put out more production per minute than our starting center. And no one can show some kind of huge defensive drop off. Boban blocks shots, and he also alters shots and makes guys miss around the basket and that easily covers for the times his slow feet allow someone to go around him.

Earlier in the year he came in against the Pacers and Davis was destroying Baynes. I counted in the blog that Boban made Davis miss four of five shots when he came in just raising his hands up in front of him, Boban easily makes up for his slow feet and STILL offers more production per minute than even Drum and far more than Baynes, it isn't even close.

Now, I hope someone will add the last four games that Boban played in at the end and add those averages to his 10 and 10 from the other four he played in earlier, tell me the new average, then explain to me why he wasn't played for any other reason other than SVG refusing to show up Baynes after what he had said about him. Just give me a rational reason for his refusal to play him OTHER than protecting his ego. Show me poor production, show me some defensive drop off numbers that are his fault and show how he was a liability and could not have helped this team.

These two mistakes are WHY this team failed to make the playoffs. Take that team that had won the 4 in 5 and had just pounded Charlotte, Boston and Atlanta on the road, add Boban to it the rest of the year and THAT TEAM makes the post season!!

So come off of it SVG, it was your mistakes that cost this team a trip to the playoffs.

http://www.mlive.com/pistons/index.ssf/2017/04/pistons_losing_season_not_a_fi.html#incart_river_index

sc8581 · Post #4 » by **sc8581** » Sat Apr 15, 2017 5:36 pm

Drummond is a lazy bum, SVG took a team to the finals. / Thread

coordinator0 · Post #5 » by **coordinator0** » Sat Apr 15, 2017 5:47 pm

Nah. Drummond has a higher ceiling and could be a far better player than Van Gundy is as a coach, but Andre is also much, much closer to his floor for overall potential. Barring a drastic athletic decrease he couldn't get a whole lot worse on the court. Van Gundy isn't absolutely terrible as a coach. Hasn't been impressive that's for sure, but him being a bit more flexible would go a long ways towards righting his end of the ship. Well, more like raft when it comes to this team.

davidvolumes · Post #6 » by **davidvolumes** » Sat Apr 15, 2017 5:54 pm

So svg took a team to finals. Big deal. What did he win?

JD43320 · Post #7 » by **JD43320** » Sat Apr 15, 2017 6:15 pm

The Eastern Conference.

davidvolumes · Post #8 » by **davidvolumes** » Sat Apr 15, 2017 6:32 pm

Big deal. Svg single handedly lost a playoff spot this season.

davidvolumes · Post #9 » by **davidvolumes** » Sat Apr 15, 2017 6:35 pm

And lost the ear and most likely the respect of the team. Sure looks like they quit on him to me. I have said in the past the biggest problem this past season was svg

bballnmike · Post #10 » by **bballnmike** » Sat Apr 15, 2017 6:50 pm

SVG had a top 5 winning percentage before coming to the Pistons, what has Dre done?

bballnmike · Post #11 » by **bballnmike** » Sat Apr 15, 2017 6:52 pm

davidvolumes wrote:Big deal. Svg single handedly lost a playoff spot this season.

Lol

afroxnas · Post #12 » by **afroxnas** » Sat Apr 15, 2017 7:43 pm

Drummond gets 24M a year to play basketball. SVG shouldn't need to ask him to show up every night and play hard. Shouldn't need to teach him to have pride in his craft and work to be the best player he can be.
SVGs mistake was to give a max contract to a one dimensional player. Drummond excels at rebounding and that's it. He's mediocre at everything else, and worst of all, does not show the desire to improve. Defense being the case in point. He has all the physical tools to be dominant, but normally only gives a half ass effort. Offensively Drummond is just one of the least skill players in the league. No low post game, no foot work, no midrange and cannot finish off the dribble. To top it all he shies away from contact, although he could probably overpower and dunk over 50% of the centers in this league, because he's afraid to go to the line. Right now I'd say his ceiling is maybe becoming a Golbert type player. I'd be ecstatic with that, but with this work ethic I don't seee him getting there.
So no Dre is not close to being a good player...

Canadafan · Post #13 » by **Canadafan** » Sat Apr 15, 2017 10:11 pm

Well. Maybe he realizes he's fat lol.

DCintheD · Post #14 » by **DCintheD** » Sat Apr 15, 2017 11:09 pm

vic wrote:Amazing comment from Deetroiter:
Oh please. Not one word about your own two MASSIVE MISTAKES that cost this team a playoff appearance. You shoved an injured PG back in to the starting rotation when he wasn't even close to fully healthy. Your team was 1 game over 500 after 21, thats 4 games over for the season, or it should have been. They had just won 4 of 5 and 3 straight road games in DOMINATING fasion including over the conference eventual number 1 seed and over the Hawks, another playoff team by almost 40 at one point in that second half. The team was high fiving, having a blast, hugging, laughing, they had finally found a winning recipe.

The very next day you shove an injured pg out there to start instead of giving him ten mpg off the bench until he was able to prove he was 100 percent, and that was the beginning of the fall. That was where it all started. That's where the team chemistry went to H E double toothpicks. Nothing was ever the same since.

You made a coaching mistake that was beneath high school level coaching. Then, your ego couldn't let you correct the mistake. No, you tried to sweep it under the rug and pretend it was something else. You began benching Tobias and starting Leuer, as if Tobias was the cause. EVERYONE knew what the cause was. Most fans knew in just a few games that you had made a huge error and many said it could destroy the season and that is exactly what happened.

Your second massive mistake was yet to come. You spouted off about how Baynes was a starter in this league, which was just laughable. He gets hurt, Boban comes in for four meaningful games and averages 10 and 10 in 16 mpg. The fans again said, "Hey, this guy can contribute" He was putting up 20 and 20 in 32 mpg average, that's more than our starting center and WAYYYYYY more than Baynes was putting out. But again, your ego couldn't take it after spouting that nonsense about Baynes, so nope, you wouldn't use Boban.

Now look at what Boban did at the end of the season. 27 in his first game, I know another he had 14 and 11 boards, and good numbers a couple other times. Anyone want to figure out what his averages are now adding these last few games he played at the end to the 10 and 10 average he put up when he got a chance to play earlier in the year?

The point is, Boban put out more production per minute than our starting center. And no one can show some kind of huge defensive drop off. Boban blocks shots, and he also alters shots and makes guys miss around the basket and that easily covers for the times his slow feet allow someone to go around him.

Earlier in the year he came in against the Pacers and Davis was destroying Baynes. I counted in the blog that Boban made Davis miss four of five shots when he came in just raising his hands up in front of him, Boban easily makes up for his slow feet and STILL offers more production per minute than even Drum and far more than Baynes, it isn't even close.

Now, I hope someone will add the last four games that Boban played in at the end and add those averages to his 10 and 10 from the other four he played in earlier, tell me the new average, then explain to me why he wasn't played for any other reason other than SVG refusing to show up Baynes after what he had said about him. Just give me a rational reason for his refusal to play him OTHER than protecting his ego. Show me poor production, show me some defensive drop off numbers that are his fault and show how he was a liability and could not have helped this team.

These two mistakes are WHY this team failed to make the playoffs. Take that team that had won the 4 in 5 and had just pounded Charlotte, Boston and Atlanta on the road, add Boban to it the rest of the year and THAT TEAM makes the post season!!

So come off of it SVG, it was your mistakes that cost this team a trip to the playoffs.

http://www.mlive.com/pistons/index.ssf/2017/04/pistons_losing_season_not_a_fi.html#incart_river_index

And 1000

Pharaoh · Post #15 » by **Pharaoh** » Sat Apr 15, 2017 11:22 pm

davidvolumes wrote:Dre is seriously flawed but svg doesn't appear to be able to reach dre. They don't relate to each other cant communicate with each other effectively. Dre doesn't respect svg. To be honest I am not sure svg has earned or deserves respect buts that's another story. Dre still has a world of potential. Rather than trade dre or let him stew in svg mess I suggest step aside as coach and allow younger eyes to take our pistons to the next level. Svg seems incapable of this. Easier to get a new coach than a franchise big.

To the bold:

You have no idea if they have any "relationship" issues.

You have no idea if Dre respects SVG or doesn't

You're judging their relationship based on like 2% of the total time they spend together.

You don't see them at practice, on the bus, at shootarounds, on planes, in the locker room.

SVG has EARNT the respect of his players not simply because he's the coach and GM but because he's coached in the Finals

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DBC10 · Post #16 » by **DBC10** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 12:27 am

Canadafan wrote:

Well. Maybe he realizes he's fat lol.

He definitely looks out of shape this season. He looks fat and I wish he laid off the cookies.

Redeemed · Post #17 » by **Redeemed** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 12:59 am

Canadafan wrote:

Well. Maybe he realizes he's fat lol.

This film contains hustle, focus, and determination?!?!

#FakeNews

vic · Post #18 » by **vic** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 2:28 am

sc8581 wrote:Drummond is a lazy bum, SVG took a team to the finals. / Thread

SVG took a team to the finals then replaced the point guard that got them there with his man crush point guard fresh off of an injury. Didn't learn his lesson and did the same crap to a playoff Piston team. /credibility

El Chivo · Post #19 » by **El Chivo** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 6:11 am

Get rid of both of them would be a miracle.

vic · Post #20 » by **vic** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 10:40 am

I wish I was Lying but I knew SVG was somewhat misguided when he demoted then pushed out the legendary Arnie Kander.

SVG just doesn't have a feel for the subjective things that bring success. He's a paint by the numbers rationalizing guy, with no balance or feel. It shows up at the worst possible times. That's why they called him the master of panic at Miami.