WCQF | (4) LA Clippers vs Utah Jazz (5) | UTA 3-2

[DK-All Day]

The Clippers made a big mistake on that last possession. You can't let Joe Jesus take the last ****. He is one of the clutchest players in the NBA. I would rather let Hayward take the last shot tbh.

Incompetent coaching by Doc again.

[SlowPaced]

Hope the Jazz advance. As you can tell from my user name, I have a fondness for those slow paced, grindout defensive style teams. They're all too rare nowadays.

[UcanUwill]

On another note, it was a joy watching Ingles just bitch make Reddick this game. He's pretty easy to frustrate.

''just bitch make Reddick this game'' thats an interesting way of making a sentence. I really hope Jazz wins by the way, screw the Clippers.

[babyjax13]

I don't usually watch the Jazz.. does Favors always look this uncoordinated? He moves so awkwardly

His body is broken.

[Winglish]

I don't usually watch the Jazz.. does Favors always look this uncoordinated? He moves so awkwardly

His body is broken.

I heard that his knee swells up the size of a balloon after every game.

[OkcSinceSGA]

Honestly I'm kinda rooting for the Jazz. If they win it just may get Doc fired I hope. I did this same thing for Del Negro vs Memphis.

[Clemenza]

Should've gotten Melo. He's built for a half court slugfest like last night. I knew this was going to happen. Blake disappears in the 4th, JJ and Jamal or only good in the regular season, Dj is whatever, and the scoring load falls on Chris. If he's so tight with Doc why didn't he get his buddy Melo here?

But either way if we lose this series it could be a win for the franchise long term cause Doc will be out and we can get a real GM with a plan in place and start the soft or hardcore rebuild. I wasn't even mad last night. This team is simply not that good

[spacemonkey]

Should've gotten Melo. He's built for a half court slugfest like last night. I knew this was going to happen. Blake disappears in the 4th, JJ and Jamal or only good in the regular season, Dj is whatever, and the scoring load falls on Chris. If he's so tight with Doc why didn't he get his buddy Melo here?

But either way if we lose this series it could be a win for the franchise long term cause Doc will be out and we can get a real GM with a plan in place and start the soft or hardcore rebuild. I wasn't even mad last night. This team is simply not that good

Why does Blake disappear in the clutch? He started out so hot.

[Clemenza]

Should've gotten Melo. He's built for a half court slugfest like last night. I knew this was going to happen. Blake disappears in the 4th, JJ and Jamal or only good in the regular season, Dj is whatever, and the scoring load falls on Chris. If he's so tight with Doc why didn't he get his buddy Melo here?

But either way if we lose this series it could be a win for the franchise long term cause Doc will be out and we can get a real GM with a plan in place and start the soft or hardcore rebuild. I wasn't even mad last night. This team is simply not that good

Why does Blake disappear in the clutch? He started out so hot.

Its been like this for the past 3 years or so. Really he should be a third option or the 2nd option if he was with an alpha like Westbrook, Harden, etc. He still doesn't even know what he wants to do when he's in the paint with a smaller defender on him. Its insane. Truthfully we're all(Clipp fans) still chasing the high of his rookie season. Back then it was 'how many MVPs and how many trips to the finals would he guide us to?' Now you look at him like, wtf???

Lot of it is on Doc too though. He inherited Blake, DJ, and Chris and hasn't put **** around them since he's been here. Can't draft right, won't develop youngsters outside of his son, can't make a decent trade, no scouting... nothing. Should've had the core surrounded with youthful athletic wings and bigs.

[Cappy_Smurf]

utah has played with injuries all season so the loss of gobert is not that big of an adjustment for them. .

No, it's a huge adjustment. I'm really proud and happy that our guys played the way they did last night, but Rudy is the one player that Utah really can't afford to lose. If he's out for 2 weeks, Utah will still have a hard time winning this series, regardless of what happened last night.

[karkinos]

utah has played with injuries all season so the loss of gobert is not that big of an adjustment for them. .

No, it's a huge adjustment. I'm really proud and happy that our guys played the way they did last night, but Rudy is the one player that Utah really can't afford to lose. If he's out for 2 weeks, Utah will still have a hard time winning this series, regardless of what happened last night.

lol my bad.
i wasn't trying to say he wasn't important or a vital piece. i just think the whole team in general has really gotten a lot of experience as far as adapting and being versatile.

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Damn, Iso Joe cold blooded AF

[Clyde Frazier]

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[mudsak]

It's interesting to read through this thread... Everyone here seems to be jumping on the Clipper-Hate-Bus...talking about how the Clippers are chokers, etc...

How about this... The Jazz are really a good team, and they played a phenomenal game with a ton of heart despite loosing their best player in the first 20 seconds of the game. Did anyone here even watch the game? I believe the biggest lead at any given time was 7 points. That's not choking... that's just a good game. The Jazz's offensive ball movement was a thing of beauty through most of the game, and the Clippers couldn't stop them. The Jazz simply played an amazing game. They endured CP3's take-over in the 4th, and Iso Joe sealed it at the buzzer. It was a tight game from start to finish.

It's going to be a shame if Gobert is out for the duration of this series... Favors really stepped up, but he looks like he's struggling to he point that I wouldn't be surprised if he couldn't play in any more games this year.

[MartinToVaught]

Should've gotten Melo. He's built for a half court slugfest like last night. I knew this was going to happen. Blake disappears in the 4th, JJ and Jamal or only good in the regular season, Dj is whatever, and the scoring load falls on Chris. If he's so tight with Doc why didn't he get his buddy Melo here?

But either way if we lose this series it could be a win for the franchise long term cause Doc will be out and we can get a real GM with a plan in place and start the soft or hardcore rebuild. I wasn't even mad last night. This team is simply not that good

Why does Blake disappear in the clutch? He started out so hot.

He's developed some bad habits because he's never really been coached at this level. The way Blake plays in the 4th is giving me Kaman flashbacks. Down the stretch, he either tries to put the ball on the floor and ends up turning it over, or he settles for too many jump shots. The latter is definitely Doc's influence at play; Doc has been obsessed with turning our whole team into a bunch of soft jump shooters instead of using our size advantage down low. When Blake gets the ball with his back to the basket, he needs to be more decisive. He needs to turn to the basket quickly instead of putting the ball on the floor and trying to bully his way in. Sure, sometimes it works, but it also invites turnovers and buys the defense time to collapse on him.

It's mindboggling how Doc and his staff have watched this happen over and over again for years and still have done NOTHING to fix it. I'm struggling to think of why KG was brought in as a consultant, because DJ has regressed this year and Blake still has his bad habits in place. What is KG doing at practice?

Honestly, this is more of a Doc problem than a Blake problem. Blake is a hard worker and a great player who's practically begging to be coached. Every improvement he's made has been in spite of Dunleavy, VDN and Doc.

[Patches Perry]

Griffin is an outdated PF. Not a great defender, not an elite playmaker, can't shoot threes, and scores on difficult contested 2 point shots. Just not that effective in 2017.

Griffin would have been much better 20 years ago. Nobody is holding him back, in fact Paul would be better off with a sidekick who can pop as well as roll.

Didn't he just hit 2/3 3 3PT this game? Isn't he one of the issues best passing big men? He was 36th in the league in APG, 3rd among big men, what do you call that? Didn't be just average 3.0 3PA/G and shoot 37.1% 3PT over the last 30 games of the season?

1. He did hit 2 of 3 threes. If he continues at that rate, I'll eat my words.
2. 36th in assists is above average, not elite.
3. Again, if he keeps his 3pt attempts and percentages high long term, I'll eat my words. 33% on 1.9 attempts in 2016-2017, and those are basically highs. He hasn't shot threes basically his entire career.

To clarify - I'm not saying Griffin is bad, just overrated by some. He is a borderline fringe all-star. My post was mainly in response to the tweet earlier in the post that Doc and Paul "robbed us" of some amazing alternate version of Blake. No, the lack of diversity in Blake's offensive game robbed us of what he could have been, but not everybody can be Hakeem. He came in the league a freak athlete with a couple moves. People learned those moves and Blake isn't quite the athlete he was. It's no surprise he struggles to score as easy as he once did.

[erudite23]

All this Clipper hate is ridiculous. The Jazz are a damn good team and that game was an instant classic. These are two teams that would have won 55-60 games if they were reasonably healthy. Losing a great game like this is no shame, even with the Gobert injury.

[MartinToVaught]

1. He did hit 2 of 3 threes. If he continues at that rate, I'll eat my words.

He's been taking and making more threes all year, especially in the last couple months of the season.

2. 36th in assists is above average, not elite.

He's an elite passing big man, not an elite passer in general. Third in assists among all bigs sounds pretty elite to me.

3. Again, if he keeps his 3pt attempts and percentages high long term, I'll eat my words. 33% on 1.9 attempts in 2016-2017, and those are basically highs. He hasn't shot threes basically his entire career.

People used to say the same thing about his midrange shooting. The truth is, Blake has worked really hard to improve his all-around game on offense, and the three ball has been the next step for him.

To clarify - I'm not saying Griffin is bad, just overrated by some. He is a borderline fringe all-star.

You are dramatically underrating him. A "borderline fringe all-star" at the PF position is, like, Tobias Harris or Thaddeus Young. Blake is clearly above that level as a player.

In fact, I really don't see how Blake's overrated. The media barely even mentions him anymore, let alone praising him. Other teams' fans loathe Blake and love to come up with Hot Takes like "Blake's a borderline fringe all-star." Our own fanbase has been trying to run him out of town for years. How is he overrated?

My post was mainly in response to the tweet earlier in the post that Doc and Paul "robbed us" of some amazing alternate version of Blake. No, the lack of diversity in Blake's offensive game robbed us of what he could have been, but not everybody can be Hakeem. He came in the league a freak athlete with a couple moves. People learned those moves and Blake isn't quite the athlete he was. It's no surprise he struggles to score as easy as he once did.

Blake has plenty of diversity in his game. He just isn't using it right all the time. That's where the coaching staff needs to step in and help him. Unfortunately, we've had absolute morons "coaching" our team for all of Blake's career to date.

[Method28]

Griffin is an outdated PF. Not a great defender, not an elite playmaker, can't shoot threes, and scores on difficult contested 2 point shots. Just not that effective in 2017.

Griffin would have been much better 20 years ago. Nobody is holding him back, in fact Paul would be better off with a sidekick who can pop as well as roll.

Didn't he just hit 2/3 3 3PT this game? Isn't he one of the issues best passing big men? He was 36th in the league in APG, 3rd among big men, what do you call that? Didn't be just average 3.0 3PA/G and shoot 37.1% 3PT over the last 30 games of the season?

1. He did hit 2 of 3 threes. If he continues at that rate, I'll eat my words.
2. 36th in assists is above average, not elite.
3. Again, if he keeps his 3pt attempts and percentages high long term, I'll eat my words. 33% on 1.9 attempts in 2016-2017, and those are basically highs. He hasn't shot threes basically his entire career.

To clarify - I'm not saying Griffin is bad, just overrated by some. He is a borderline fringe all-star. My post was mainly in response to the tweet earlier in the post that Doc and Paul "robbed us" of some amazing alternate version of Blake. No, the lack of diversity in Blake's offensive game robbed us of what he could have been, but not everybody can be Hakeem. He came in the league a freak athlete with a couple moves. People learned those moves and Blake isn't quite the athlete he was. It's no surprise he struggles to score as easy as he once did.

Where does he rank as far as bigs go in assists? Kinda ridiculous to hold his assist numbers against other pgs. Especially when Blake plays with the Point God. If you watch Blake play, you can clearly see he is an elite playmaking big.

As far as his 3pt shot, hes evolving and expanding his game, thats what players do when they work hard.

With that being said, as a Clippers fan who spends plenty of money going to games (was there last night) im sick of this bs. Doc has gotta go, Crawford has gotta go. Depending what we can get for him, i wouldnt cry if Blake gets shipped out either. Paul played his heart out last night and once again was let down by his teammates and a lackluster coach.

Crawford put into the game im the last 30 seconds? Why?! That shot goes to Paul, and if Crawford isnt in the game to shoot, he is worthless. Johnson went right after Craw on defense. Doc tried to get cute as use Craw as a decoy for their offensive possession, he probably figured Utah would call a time out if they scored and he could pull Craw. Doc got outcoached again.

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[Patches Perry]

He's an elite passing big man, not an elite passer in general. Third in assists among all bigs sounds pretty elite to me.

Being a top 3 in assists for a big is like being top 3 in rebounds for a guard . It's positive, but it doesn't make you elite overall.

You are dramatically underrating him. A "borderline fringe all-star" at the PF position is, like, Tobias Harris or Thaddeus Young. Blake is clearly above that level as a player.

In fact, I really don't see how Blake's overrated. The media barely even mentions him anymore, let alone praising him. Other teams' fans loathe Blake and love to come up with Hot Takes like "Blake's a borderline fringe all-star." Our own fanbase has been trying to run him out of town for years. How is he overrated?

I'm not going to argue the semantics of a fringe all star or how other people rate him. Yes he's better than Harris and Young. He's probably a top 10-15 forward, top 30 or so player. So if that's how he is rated, then that is accurate. If people are coming up with "Hot Takes" like calling him a superstar or something "truly special and unique" that Doc and Paul "robbed" us of, then that's overrating him.

FYI I don't loathe Blake. He grew up down the street from where I live and I've been following him since HS. He is a good kid with a great work ethic. I want him to be successful, but it will be difficult with people thinking he's Karl Malone when he's not.