Winslow

BenoUdrihFTL · Post #22 » by **BenoUdrihFTL** » Sat Apr 15, 2017 1:37 pm

For those suggesting we wait to see if he fixes his broken jumper this offseason, then trade him if not -- I don't think that's a realistic option. If he still hasn't improved by his 3rd season he'll be considered a bust with zero trade value. So we either trade him now or put faith in him and our developmental program, and given the lack of possible return on a trade right now I think our best choice is to roll the dice and go with the latter option.

PizzaLord305 · Post #23 » by **PizzaLord305** » Sat Apr 15, 2017 4:30 pm

The player most of you think Justise Winslow is actually exists in the league, and his name is Rondae Hollis Jefferson lol. Some of y'all are pretty much describing him when you attempt to describe Winslow. This is a mistake.

Winslow can handle the ball well and has really good court vision and good passing ability. This skillset can be developed and make him a strong playmaker. Hollis Jefferson's handle is much shakier, and he doesn't have these guard like abilities.

Winslows jumper has two mechanical flaws. He brings the ball up before he jumps instead of as he jumps, so he doesn't get the driving upward power that would arc his jumper. He also flairs his elbow a little bit. With that said, his form is actually decent and his ball placement is good on his release. He can easily fix these shooting issues just like guys like kemba, and kawhi have in recent years. He needs to put in the work and gain confidence. Hollis Jeffersons shooting form is completely flawed and would require a major mechanical overhaul, kinda like mkg's. with that said, his flawed jumper doesn't even really go in. There is straightforward path for Winslow to improve as a shooter. Someone like Hollis Jefferson would have much more trouble doing so.

Winslow has an array of driving moves and gather steps combined with his handle, athletisim, and strength that puts him in position to create ISO layup opportunities, as well as finishing opportunities on the break. He can harness this ability to finish on the break, in traffic on drives, or draw fouls and get to the line. Hollis Jefferson is a superior athlete, and can finish on the break and stuff, but he doesn't have the ISO potential of Winslow.

Defensively both of these guys are versatile and can guard multiple positions. Winslow seems like he has better footwork and technique, but Hollis Jefferson is more physically gifted and just as tenacious. They can both be special defenders.

Both of these guys are really smart, mature, young wings who do the glue guy things well. Difference is, one of them has playmaking guard like potential as a scorer and creator for others, while the other seems like a glue guy hustling finisher type. I think you guys are focusing too much on what a player is now and ignoring the evidence of what they will be if developed properly.

So when you're talking about rondae Hollis Jefferson, just realize that he plays for the nets, and Justise Winslow plays for your Miami heat.

Is it a guarantee that he develops in the manner I've described, no, but look at what our staff and think about how young he is and how impressive he was in his role as a rookie. We should be excited to have a young player like this. This is what we need if we're gonna get back to contending.

Zasterror · Post #24 » by **Zasterror** » Sat Apr 15, 2017 4:39 pm

He really needs to add spacing in his game; in this league, you need to be a decent 3-point shooter (or at least people must respect it) or can score a variety of ways efficiently (ala DeRozan). Winslow becoming a good FT shooter will help him tremendously because his bread n butter is getting to the lane. He will get it as long as nothing stunts his growth. What James Johnson was this year is what I hoped for Winslow this year, maybe it will happen next season.

twix2500 · Post #25 » by **twix2500** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 1:12 am

Cmon_Son-_- wrote:Make him a full time power forward. Let him be JJ or Draymond Green.

I know Barkley was successful at PF, but Winslow at 6'4 6'5 is not a powerforward. He not a good rebounder, and struggle defending height as small forward.

Cmon_Son-_- · Post #26 » by **Cmon_Son-_-** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 3:12 am

twix2500 wrote:
Cmon_Son-_- wrote:Make him a full time power forward. Let him be JJ or Draymond Green.

I know Barkley was successful at PF, but Winslow at 6'4 6'5 is not a powerforward. He not a good rebounder, and struggle defending height as small forward.

Winslow was our 2nd leading rebounder when he was healthy. His best basketball for us has been at the 4.

heatwillbeback · Post #27 » by **heatwillbeback** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 3:45 am

Seeing our offense open up without him really made me sour on him.

He works hard and is likable but we would not have been able to play the way we did with him in there. That hit me and it's sad.

Heatle · Post #28 » by **Heatle** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 5:44 am

It's not just the 3. He shot 38% on 2pt attempts and his free throws are bad too.

I wouldn't be mad if they used him to trade up in the draft.

twix2500 · Post #29 » by **twix2500** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 8:19 pm

Cmon_Son-_- wrote:
twix2500 wrote:
Cmon_Son-_- wrote:Make him a full time power forward. Let him be JJ or Draymond Green.

I know Barkley was successful at PF, but Winslow at 6'4 6'5 is not a powerforward. He not a good rebounder, and struggle defending height as small forward.

Winslow was our 2nd leading rebounder when he was healthy. His best basketball for us has been at the 4.

And that is the reason the Heat need a powerforward. The Heat really only have 1 powerforward and thats JJ ( and his weakness is rebounding as well). Winslow was not good at all this year, doenst matter what position if you looking at this year. Putting at the powerforward, he has little to no advantage. Whiteside needs help on the boards. Winslow is more useful defending perimeter players where his size becomes and advantage. Putting Winslow at powerforward is worse than putting Haslem at center, you do it out of necessity because of lack of options.

Winslow best asset is his defense. Put him in position where his defense can be dominate, not in a position where its just passable. If you put him at powerforward teams will eat him alive. Example was the Raptors series, it worked one game and then the next the Raps adjusted and ate the paint alive.

Hoops23 · Post #30 » by **Hoops23** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 1:05 am

If Winslow can make shots close or beyond the arc consistently, we will not have this kind of discussion for him.

If the right player comes, I'll package him in a deal.

Post #31 » by **Wiltside** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 6:48 am

That right player is not Carmelo Anthony though. Given how poorly things ended with Bosh, Wade and Lebron here I can't see him even considering us at any rate.

Winslow is 21 years old, and has played like 90 something games in the NBA. He has shown plenty, even if his 19 games were relatively underwhelming this season. Give him time - he will prove his worth.

I think his best position is the 4, and should definitely be splitting majority of his time between the 2 positions next season. If we bring back JJ, it's possible that JJ plays some backup 5 assuming Reed gets money we don't want to match elsewhere. JJ's shotblocking could allow us to play Winslow at the 4 a fair bit and provide some funky lineups.

I'm still really high on Winslow's future, and particularly his future with us. He's a Heat kind of guy.

youngthegiant · Post #32 » by **youngthegiant** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 7:25 am

Denver offers #13 for Winslow??

Post #33 » by **DayofMourning** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:23 am

youngthegiant wrote:Denver offers #13 for Winslow??

I'd say we would need something else. Winslow's value is a lot lower than it used to be, but his potential if he improves is very Heat centric and very valuable. If he gets more fluid with his shot and starts finding his spots then he's a stud.

Post #34 » by **KingDavid** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:40 am

Cmon_Son-_- wrote:Make him a full time power forward. Let him be JJ or Draymond Green.

JJ is 6'9".

Draymond is 6'7" with a 7'1" wingspan and almost a 9' standing reach.

Feel_the_Heat15 · Post #35 » by **Feel_the_Heat15** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:55 am

Earlier in the season, Lowry was one of the worst shooters in the league(bottom 5 FG%) and now he's ended the regular season shooting 46% overall. Winslow's FG% would've most likely went up if he played at least 41 games and injuries also affected his shot.

Post #36 » by **BFRESH44** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 5:32 pm

• On Justise Winslow, who was limited to 18 games because of shoulder surgery: “Justise coming off the summer he had. If he were able to play a full season, the wrist injury coming out of preseason, would have had a major impact on this team. He had a terrific summer. Everyone you talk to coming out of Orlando, they were two of the top players coming out of the Summer League. They followed up an impressive rookie year with a great summer league.”

• But can Winslow be a three and D player? “Yes and he can create that game. People get caught up so much in the wrong narrative. We are not trying to develop Justise Winslow to become Chris Mullin. One thing he can do is impact defensively and take away threes.

“He can generate threes offensively because he puts a lot of pressure in the paint, off the dribble. I don’t want the focus on how many threes he makes. He will make enough. It will be about getting into world class shape. It will be my job to put him in spots to [succeed]. If he hadn’t had the wrist injury, he would have been an efficient offensive player.

“He will find a way to help your team.His weaknesses, whatever the perceived ones are, will not be our focus this summer. It will be his strengths and getting him to upper echolon strength will be the priority. Justise brings a tremendous amont of versatility of toughness, of winning plays, he fills in a lot of those intangible gaps.”

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article145007669.html#storylink=cpy

Bourne85 · Post #37 » by **Bourne85** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 6:49 pm

Winslow has no value right now. He was statistically the worst player in the NBA until he got hurt. Getting hurt saved him from further ruining his confidence.

The guys value is on the floor, should of traded him earlier. Now best bet is to hold on to him and hope he becomes a good player somehow.

Post #38 » by **KingDavid** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 6:50 pm

I'm willing to be patient with Winslow. The torn ligament in his shooting wrist and then the torn labrum are just bad to have in the developing stages of his career. Gonna be a while.

Post #39 » by **KingDavid** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 6:54 pm

Bourne85 wrote:Winslow has no value right now. He was statistically the worst player in the NBA until he got hurt. Getting hurt saved him from further ruining his confidence.

The guys value is on the floor, should of traded him earlier. Now best bet is to hold on to him and hope he becomes a good player somehow.

He was playing with a torn ligament in his shooting wrist. It's why some of his shots splashed in and why most drew hard bricks or air. He couldn't grip the ball on the gather and its why he brought the ball up his shooting pocket before jumping. He looked fine hitting open shots in summer league and then it just went to ****.

Heat_Fan_87 · Post #40 » by **Heat_Fan_87** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 7:08 pm

Bourne85 wrote:Winslow has no value right now. He was statistically the worst player in the NBA until he got hurt. Getting hurt saved him from further ruining his confidence.

The guys value is on the floor, should of traded him earlier. Now best bet is to hold on to him and hope he becomes a good player somehow.

boston was offering 4 firsts for winslow. i'm not sure we could get 1 first for him today. we have no choice but be patient and hope he can raise his stock, but man, he was terrible last year.