Off-Season Ideas

[coolness]

I'm surprised we don't have this thread. Is there a reason for that?

I'll give mine for now....

#1 with Minnesota:
I.Smith, D.Hilliard, S.Johnson, M.Morris, J.Leuer
for
K.Dunn and rights to 1st 2017 (D.Smith Jr. or A.Fox. But J.Tatum if he is still on the board.)

Why for Minny?
First off they have about $12 million in cap which goes up when Pekovic's salary is cleared with the medical exception.
- Ish is likely to be better than Dunn for the next couple years
- Hilliard as a cheap shooter. B.Rush and S.Muhammad expire and will get paid by some team or Minny is stuck paying big.
- S.Johnson and M.Morris...Minny fans have wanted them on the forums. Their position makes sense.
- J.Leuer.....helps KAT play more minutes at center

Why for Detroit?
- money
- Dunn's defense should make him at least a good back-up with a long career. He was a good shooter in college.
- the 1st no matter who it is.
- I could do without all of our outgoing players here except Ish, who is more than made up for.



#2 with Brooklyn:
R.Jackson, M.Gbinije, A.Drummond
for
J.Lin, C.LeVert, rights to C.Swanigan from using their late 1st's

Why for Brooklyn?
First, even with cap space, they might have to clear a little space. B.Lopez is a good trade piece for them.
- Drummond. Drummond was a clear all-star one year ago while being young and locked in for four more years
- Drummond. This is too good to pass up imo.
- Gbinije is technically worth looking at.

Why for Detroit?
- so much money
- so much safer for team chemistry



#3 draft
If going top 3, then trade back for 2 or 3 players.
If staying at the 12th pick, Justin Jackson would be fine, a good fit, and a safe choice



#4 free agency
re-sign Bullock. Even for $10m/year.
re-sign Udrih if he is cheap again. He was a decent back-up when he played. He knows the team already.
don't re-sign KCP. Max or near-max money is for all-stars and he will probably never be one.
don't try to keep Baynes. Let him get paid by somebody else. Let Boban and Ellenson have a chance.


#5 other cap space
Take on expiring deals with picks attached. Cut expiring guys if there is any chance they will ruin the team.



#6 Tobias Harris
- let him play like a star next year before considering trading him. Consider keeping him until he retires.

[DET_Athletics]

just no, this plan has everyone gone but tobias, who plays little to no defense. draft FRANK NTILIKINA with the 12th pick, pay KCP, if not this off season some point maybe mid season package leur, Morris, and some picks and find a legit defensive upgrade for the PF position. maybe after the raptors get bounced out a the 1st round this year they will blow it up? sign and trade for ibaka, future first and Morris and leuer for him. bullock takes on a bigger backup role and Stanley pushes to finally step into the starting line-up, if not:
PG: Reggie(healthy and full training camp) ish, frank
SG: KCP, hillard
SF: harris, johnson
PF: Ibaka, Henry
C: Drummond, boban
that should be enough defense in the starting lineup to clean up after Reggie and Harris lack of it, and defense and tempo coming off the bench. frank basically gets redshirted like Henry did to make sure he is strong enough for the game. plus boban can play spot minutes because you have two good stretch bigs that can play some at the 5.

thats my off-season plan.

[LaSheed]

I like a trade with Minnesota but Dunn and #7 they can get a mich better player than we can offer. They didnt want Jackson. Towns is better than Drummond and Wiggins is better than any of our wings.

They do have money to do deal such of Morris/Stanley/Luer (2 of the 3) & #12 for Jordan Hill and #7. But this idea would have to be after failing to land an all star.

Im at the point of if we have Boban play him. (SVG finally sounds like its a reality) or trade him. I think he finally plays so he stays.

If THJR was gonna be around 13 million i would seriously consider a S&T of Luer & Stanley for THJR. Hawks have Bazemore so i dont see them matching. Thats a pretty good return for somebody that could walk. But then that leaves us shallow at PF unless Ellesnson starts. (I really like Harris coming off the bench) or as stated above play Boban or trade him. S&T Boban and Morris for THJR.

But if we resign KCP no way we go after THJR.

If Bullock accepts the MLE resign him. Above that he can go elsewhere.

If we sign KCP im trying to his the homerun with Terrance Ferguson at #12.

[MotownMadness]

I think trading Reggie to Brooklyn for one of their 1st is pretty realistic.

[DBC10]

I think trading Reggie to Brooklyn for one of their 1st is pretty realistic.

The Nets have their first taken to to the Celtics. Are you talking future first?

[coolness]

I think trading Reggie to Brooklyn for one of their 1st is pretty realistic.

The Nets have their first taken to to the Celtics. Are you talking future first?

The Nets have the Celtics late 1st via pick swap this year and another late 1st from a trade they made during the season.

[coolness]

R.Jackson, S.Johnson, A.Drummond
for
NY 1st 2017 (trade not happening if it's top 3 though), Melo, Noah

It's no home run, but it might be crazy enough to work for both teams.

[DBC10]

R.Jackson, S.Johnson, A.Drummond
for
NY 1st 2017 (trade not happening if it's top 3 though), Melo, Noah

It's no home run, but it might be crazy enough to work for both teams.

Shoot, I'll give them Drummond and our first for their first and Noah. I think that would actually make sense for Phil's silly mind.

I'll even let them take RJ too if they don't want to bring back Rose as they look like they may want to for whatever reason.

[Pharaoh]

3 team deal:

Dre to Phoenix for Knight, Chandler and #3 - select Jackson with that pick.

Send RJ to LAC for Jamal Crawford since RJ can back up CP3 or replace him (assuming Doc bolts to Orlando & CP3 goes to Cleveland)

With our pick select the other Jackson brother

Let KCP go to Brooklyn

Retain Bullock on 1 & 1 deal for $7 mil to see if he can stay healthy

Baynes, Beno & Hilliard are gone

Sign Ray McCallum

Chandler, Bobo
Jon, Mook, King
JJ, SJ, Harris
JJ, JC, Bullock,
Knight, Ish, Ray

TANK HARD for 3 years, surrounding the Jackson Brothers, SJ & King with a big from 2018 & a PG from 2019

Ish, Knight & Tyson Chandler are pretty good role models for young players...Crawford is our Lou Williams for a couple of years

OR trade RJ & our pick to Dallas for Franky...

Frank, Ish, Ray
KCP, Hilliard, Benji
SJ, Harris
Mook, Jon, King
Dre, Bobo

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[Canadafan]

just no, this plan has everyone gone but tobias, who plays little to no defense. draft FRANK NTILIKINA with the 12th pick, pay KCP, if not this off season some point maybe mid season package leur, Morris, and some picks and find a legit defensive upgrade for the PF position. maybe after the raptors get bounced out a the 1st round this year they will blow it up? sign and trade for ibaka, future first and Morris and leuer for him. bullock takes on a bigger backup role and Stanley pushes to finally step into the starting line-up, if not:
PG: Reggie(healthy and full training camp) ish, frank
SG: KCP, hillard
SF: harris, johnson
PF: Ibaka, Henry
C: Drummond, boban
that should be enough defense in the starting lineup to clean up after Reggie and Harris lack of it, and defense and tempo coming off the bench. frank basically gets redshirted like Henry did to make sure he is strong enough for the game. plus boban can play spot minutes because you have two good stretch bigs that can play some at the 5.

thats my off-season plan.

Love it. Tobias starts at SF and gets small minutes at PF to open up more time for SJ at SF. Bullock gets the main backup SG minutes. Boban is unleashed as backup C. Ellenson gets his minutes.
Would be a lot more to get excited about with this team. No more iso Morris. Boban Ellenson SJ Bullock Ish is a nice bench

[The Penguin]

I'm sure Lala would say no and I'm sure half our board wouldn't like it anyway, BUT:

Trade 1: Reggie & Leuer & 2018 pick swap for Melo

Phil liked Reggie before and this would save them from doing something crazy on Rose. Leuer gives them a big to play next to Porzingis for spacing in the triangle, or one to back up up and play next to O'Quinn or Noah. The pick swap might be nothing, or it might give them a little bit of future value.

Melo gives us a legitimate #1 scoring option we simply don't have and it also hopefully shuts up Dre from thinking he's our number 1 option. Melo seemed to relish his role as a leader on Team USA, so hopefully putting him surrounded with youth in Dre / Tobias / Stanley / KCP / rookie PG he'll take on the mentor and leader role. It does feel a little Dumarsesque, but if the price is right and tanking is off the table I'm not sure we have another avenue that presents that much upside.

Trade 2: Mook & pick 12 to Minny for pick 6/7

Minny has young players at nearly every position with KAT / Wiggins / LaVine / Dunn (not to mention Rubio). Thibs is said to be pretty upset and impatient about turning things around. Mook would fit nicely in their rotation and seems to be his type of player.

Draft Fox or Dennis Smith at 6/7

Ish / Fox or Smith
KCP / Stanley
Melo / Stanley
Harris / Ellenson
Dre / Boban

[DCintheD]

Melo's the last person this team needs.

Unlesssssssss Phil is dumb enough to trade us KP.

Melo, Noah, KP
for
Reggie, Drummond, Marcus, and Stanley

I do this trade for three reasons:

1. KP
2. getting rid of Reggie and Drummond
3. KP

[The Penguin]

Melo's the last person this team needs.

Unlesssssssss Phil is dumb enough to trade us KP.

Melo, Noah, KP
for
Reggie, Drummond, Marcus, and Stanley

I do this trade for three reasons:

1. KP
2. getting rid of Reggie and Drummond
3. KP

Everything is relative to the price. I just look at Melo as a potentially undervalued guy who increases our ceiling as a team. I'm fully aware we don't have pieces I'd give up if they want a full rebuild and that he (or Lala) would likely veto a deal here, but the guy he showed himself to be during the last Olympics (ie the team mentor who also scored in bunches) certainly would help us out. He just hasn't been that guy in the NBA and may never be that guy. I know it's not going to happen, just a different perspective on a possible move.

[spaceballer]

I think trading Reggie to Brooklyn for one of their 1st is pretty realistic.

No, I don't think it is. I will repost a version of an in-depth reply I made on the T&T board of why a trade of Reggie Jackson to the Nets is unrealistic.

As I've said on other proposed trades of R.Jackson to the Nets, there is zero chance of Sean Marks bringing him into the locker room. The only way such a trade works is if the Nets waive him immediately and are compensated major value to spend dead cap space that way. Obviously the Pistons don't want to pay the Nets to waive R.Jackson.

Sean Marks is prioritizing culture and character, following the Spurs approach.

Despite the dearth in roster talent and lots of cap space, he refused to pick up Dion Waiters or other players with character issues who were still available late in the offseason. He kept Bennett in the Nets practice facility for an entire month to evaluate his character, in light of character and work ethics questions from previous stops, before taking a chance on him.

He poached Trevor Booker, voted "best teammate" by the Jazz. He tried to poach Marvin Williams, voted "best teammate" by the Hornets. His first target on midnight was a good locker room JLin to help provide leadership in changing the culture. And the face of the franchise is Brook Lopez, a loyal guy with no diva ego who has played only for the Nets for his entire career without a single protest despite the bi-annual trade rumors, keeping positive amidst the parade of coaches and losing and Billy King.

Ownership gave Sean Marks a blank check and footed the million dollar bill for all the "culture" infrastructure improvements he wanted. From renovating and installing a new suite for players' families so they can spend time together during games and practices, to letting them take children onto the team plane for road trips, to flying parents to attend away games, to hiring mental health specialists dealing with the players in the context of their family support networks, to even hiring team babysitters to help with children.

Character even factored into draft picks. LeVert shows unusual maturity, poise, and resilience from having to shoulder adult responsibility due to the death of his father early in his life. Whitehead is a hometown kid giving it his all for his native Brooklyn.

There is no way Sean Marks would take aboard the potential locker room issues with Reggie Jackson in this Spurs system and culture that is being built in NYC.

Reggie Jackson also doesn’t fit from a basketball standpoint. If he doesn‘t work in Detroit with fans complaining of a stagnant offense with him pounding the air out of the ball and Ish Smith running the team better, it would be much worse with the modern ball-sharing Nets motion offense that allows him even less chance to dominate the ball or run pick and rolls. And he'll be expected to make switches on defense to guard larger SGs and show defensive versatility and effort, where defense is not his strong suit.

He doesn't fit from either the culture or basketball side. There is no way they take Jackson. And that is before considering his contract, lengthy and more expensive than Lin, or the deep bond between Atkinson and Jeremy Lin. Not to mention the pick this trade requires the Nets to throw in when they need such assets in rebuilding, especially considering the eye for talent and drafting that Sean Marks has.

I think the Nets would rather keep the 3 picks they have in this summer's draft instead of trading picks for an ill-fitting Reggie Jackson on this long contract, and that is before even considering knee concerns. You would have to attach a pick to move Reggie, not get one in return.

It would probably be better for the Pistons to try to rehab his value with a healthy and productive year before trying to move him. It is often not a good idea to sell low, anyway, and his trade value is not high at all right now, I wouldn't think.

[Montanabadboy]

Trades are so hard to predict. It takes two to tango (sometimes 3) and it's impossible to know the mindset of the trading partner and what they want/need in their mind.

[coolness]

Alright, I'll value Melo less, because he is very expensive, getting old, and word is out about him leaving NY.

Jackson + Stanimal + Gbinije + Mook
for
Melo and their 1st if it isn't top 3

We keep Drummond/Boban/Leuer/Ellenson so we don't need any bigs in the draft.

Draft Smith or Fox with their pick and Justin Jackson with our pick. Re-sign KCP, Bullock, and Udrih.

Is Hilliard a FA? Some people commented like he would be and I didn't think he was.
I think he is worth keeping if he doesn't cost much. Can play a little pg or sf. Can shoot.

Ish/Fox or Smith Jr./Udrih
KCP/Bullock/Hilliard?
Melo/Justin
Tobias/Leuer
Drummond/Boban/Ellenson


Dre stays, but that's good, because I wouldn't be surprised if he had a bounce back year.





Another Melo trade.....Drummond for Melo + 7th pick. Then trade Stanimal and Mook for Minny's 6th pick.

[sfballa13]

Four team deal: Pistons, Nets, Kings, Knicks

To Knicks: Drummond, Stanley Johnson --- out Porzingis, Noah
Why? Get out of Noah's contract, get back an all star caliber player for Porzingis in Dre, and get Stanley as a toss in

To Kings: Reggie Jackson --- out Tolliver, Gay
Why? Kings get their PG of the future, probably the most talented player they can get since no one will sign with them. All they give up is Tolliver (avg player) and Gay (doesnt want to play in Sac town and other teams no this - bad trade value)

To Nets: KCP (sign and trade), Ellenson --- out Levert, Lopez
Why? They want KCP and Pistons can match any deal they offer, Ellenson is a toss in, maybe we can throw in a few 2nd rounders

To Pistons: Porzingis and Noah, Brook Lopez and Levert, Anthony Tolliver and Rudy Gay
Why? Get rid of Reggie/Dre, rebuild around Porzingis, Lopez and Gay expire in 2 years

Ish / ---
Levert / Bullock
Gay / Tobias
Porzingis / Mook - Tolliver
Lopez / Noah - Boban

All we would need is a PG

Knicks definitely do it, Nets probably do it, and Kings are definitely dumb enough to make a deal that is in their favor anyways

[Pharaoh]

We are not getting Melo or Zingis for our guys!

Melo would veto a trade and the Knicks won't deal Zingis.

I believe Dre could get us a quality package from a few teams (Kings, Suns, Lakers) but we're not likely to trade him.

Reggie? Dallas, Indiana, New Orleans, Lakers, Knicks, Kings all make some sense IMO but his value ain't great

Gonna be interesting to see what moves we make this off-season

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[sfballa13]

We are not getting Melo or Zingis for our guys!

Melo would veto a trade and the Knicks won't deal Zingis.

I believe Dre could get us a quality package from a few teams (Kings, Suns, Lakers) but we're not likely to trade him.

Reggie? Dallas, Indiana, New Orleans, Lakers, Knicks, Kings all make some sense IMO but his value ain't great

Gonna be interesting to see what moves we make this off-season

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Melo we wont get

Porzingis, i think there is a chance

His agent and him want out, that's why all the press about him missing the exit interview

Noah has one of, if not, the worst contracts in the NBA. 60M/3 years for a guy that plays half a season and doesnt put up even 10/10

Knicks are giving max money to a crappy bench player

Andre Drummond may not be as good as Porzingis but he will still put butts in the seats and will become highly overrated and loved by NYC media and fans alike. Stanley Johnson is a top 10 pick so dont get the reason behind adding a pick.

[Canadafan]

Can't sign and trade KCP with another player iirc