Mavericks 2017 Draft #9

Mr B · Post #521 » by **Mr B** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 4:16 am

bobsquad wrote:
Mr B wrote:What pick should Phoenix be expecting to get?

#2, so not realistic at all. This isn't going to be an easy draft to move up in.

Yea that's not happening. If it were a late 1st or a 2nd maybe but not a top 5 pick.

Darren · Post #522 » by **Darren** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 4:43 am

Teffer10 wrote:
Mr B wrote:
Tyson is also a fan favorite and would be a quality back up for Noel. We all also know that he's a perfect fit for Carlisle's system. Having him also allows him and Noel to keep their minutes down to about 20-25 a game. Tyson isn't a FA though is he? I was thinking he would have to come in a trade (for Powell maybe?).

Powell/Curry/Our #1 for Tyson/Phoenix #1?

I don't think Pheonix will trade their pick, especially for that package. I am okay with Powell, Curry, Wes and our pick for Tyson and Bledsoe, though. Not sure it works without a third team involved.

Darren · Post #523 » by **Darren** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 4:47 am

I am somewhat interested in a Wes for Monroe swap. At worst, we get a year shorter contract. I doubt he'd opt out. And the Mavs has a history trading with Milwaukee and Washington. I can see JKidd trading for Wes. Powell for Henson would also be welcomed.

Mr B · Post #524 » by **Mr B** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 4:54 am

Darren wrote:
Teffer10 wrote:
Mr B wrote:
Tyson is also a fan favorite and would be a quality back up for Noel. We all also know that he's a perfect fit for Carlisle's system. Having him also allows him and Noel to keep their minutes down to about 20-25 a game. Tyson isn't a FA though is he? I was thinking he would have to come in a trade (for Powell maybe?).

Powell/Curry/Our #1 for Tyson/Phoenix #1?

I don't think Pheonix will trade their pick, especially for that package. I am okay with Powell, Curry, Wes and our pick for Tyson and Bledsoe, though. Not sure it works without a third team involved.

I think if they were able to trade for Tyson and sign Teague (and draft Markkanen) then Wes' skill set actually becomes valuable to the Mavs. Teague and Yogi would be the primary ball handlers (as well as Barea) and Wes would be the 3/D guy. Noel, Tyson, and Mejri would protect the paint and catch lobs. Dirk and Markkanen, would attack from mid-range out. Harrison and DFS would attack from mid-range to the paint. They would have an extremely balanced team and would be deep.

Lord Cuban · Post #525 » by **Lord Cuban** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 9:25 am

Lord.... this guy's want to trade our pick for a mediocre center that will be out of the league in 4 years and a PG who is always injured... come on guys... I prefer to wait for the pick... patient is what will make us contenders again one day... if you want to use shortcuts target someone like Wiggins, Towns, Giannis or Porzingis and other young studs... Sometimes I feel like I'm one o the few Mavs fan that is trying to think in long term future because most of the guys here want to see some ridiculous trades...

dirkforpres · Post #526 » by **dirkforpres** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 12:16 pm

Lord Cuban wrote:Lord.... this guy's want to trade our pick for a mediocre center that will be out of the league in 4 years and a PG who is always injured... come on guys... I prefer to wait for the pick... patient is what will make us contenders again one day... if you want to use shortcuts target someone like Wiggins, Towns, Giannis or Porzingis and other young studs... Sometimes I feel like I'm one o the few Mavs fan that is trying to think in long term future because most of the guys here want to see some ridiculous trades...

I don't think it's as bad as you are thinking it is. Tyson is still a solid center, especially when he is being brought in as a backup. His contract is a little scary, but not as bad as Matthews is. I personally would rather us get Brandan Wright back for far cheaper and on a contract year, but that's just me. As far as the other deal, I widely consider Bledsoe to be the most underrated player in the league. He reminds me a lot of Chauncey Billups

Torgeir Bryn · Post #527 » by **Torgeir Bryn** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 3:00 pm

Man, watching Giannis dominate really makes you wonder what could have been...

So who is this drafts Shane Larkin?

dirkforpres · Post #528 » by **dirkforpres** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 3:03 pm

Torgeir Bryn wrote:Man, watching Giannis dominate really makes you wonder what could have been...

So who is this drafts Shane Larkin?

Let's just hope it isn't Ntilikina.. by all accounts, he seems to be the guy Mavs are zoned in on

Mr B · Post #529 » by **Mr B** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 3:05 pm

Lord Cuban wrote:Lord.... this guy's want to trade our pick for a mediocre center that will be out of the league in 4 years and a PG who is always injured... come on guys... I prefer to wait for the pick... patient is what will make us contenders again one day... if you want to use shortcuts target someone like Wiggins, Towns, Giannis or Porzingis and other young studs... Sometimes I feel like I'm one o the few Mavs fan that is trying to think in long term future because most of the guys here want to see some ridiculous trades...

In my trade scenario all of the PG's the Mavs are interested in in the draft would be gone. The pick would then be used on Markkanen. Tyson would be brought in which means Powell would be out. Make no mistake the Mavs will need a quality backup Center if they want a chance in the playoffs. In 2011 that guy was Haywood. Also you can underestimate what Tyson brings to the locker room. Teague is also a quality starting PG. I'm not as interested in Bledsoe, especially if it costs us our 1st round pick. I'd rather the team continue to get younger.

Devassa · Post #530 » by **Devassa** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 3:35 pm

Mr B wrote:
Lord Cuban wrote:Lord.... this guy's want to trade our pick for a mediocre center that will be out of the league in 4 years and a PG who is always injured... come on guys... I prefer to wait for the pick... patient is what will make us contenders again one day... if you want to use shortcuts target someone like Wiggins, Towns, Giannis or Porzingis and other young studs... Sometimes I feel like I'm one o the few Mavs fan that is trying to think in long term future because most of the guys here want to see some ridiculous trades...

In my trade scenario all of the PG's the Mavs are interested in in the draft would be gone. The pick would then be used on Markkanen. Tyson would be brought in which means Powell would be out. Make no mistake the Mavs will need a quality backup Center if they want a chance in the playoffs. In 2011 that guy was Haywood. Also you can underestimate what Tyson brings to the locker room. Teague is also a quality starting PG. I'm not as interested in Bledsoe, especially if it costs us our 1st round pick. I'd rather the team continue to get younger.

Very few teams ahead of us in the draft order actually have a need for a PG, so don't be surprised if Smith and Ntilikina are still available to pick from. I don't really think Ntilikina will translate very well, so if we have the option to trade that pickfor Bledsoe then I would consider that a great draft day deal. I think Markkanen will be a very good player under the right leadership, which under Dirk for a couple years is perfect... I just don't think he will still be available.

At this point, is just hoping we get super lucky in the lottery or trade the pick.

daoneandonly · Post #531 » by **daoneandonly** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 3:39 pm

Devassa wrote:
Mr B wrote:
Lord Cuban wrote:Lord.... this guy's want to trade our pick for a mediocre center that will be out of the league in 4 years and a PG who is always injured... come on guys... I prefer to wait for the pick... patient is what will make us contenders again one day... if you want to use shortcuts target someone like Wiggins, Towns, Giannis or Porzingis and other young studs... Sometimes I feel like I'm one o the few Mavs fan that is trying to think in long term future because most of the guys here want to see some ridiculous trades...

In my trade scenario all of the PG's the Mavs are interested in in the draft would be gone. The pick would then be used on Markkanen. Tyson would be brought in which means Powell would be out. Make no mistake the Mavs will need a quality backup Center if they want a chance in the playoffs. In 2011 that guy was Haywood. Also you can underestimate what Tyson brings to the locker room. Teague is also a quality starting PG. I'm not as interested in Bledsoe, especially if it costs us our 1st round pick. I'd rather the team continue to get younger.

Very few teams ahead of us in the draft order actually have a need for a PG, so don't be surprised if Smith and Ntilikina are still available to pick from. I don't really think Ntilikina will translate very well, so if we have the option to trade that pickfor Bledsoe then I would consider that a great draft day deal. I think Markkanen will be a very good player under the right leadership, which under Dirk for a couple years is perfect... I just don't think he will still be available.

At this point, is just hoping we get super lucky in the lottery or trade the pick.

I'm almost under the same mindset. Curious, who would you say are your top 5 in order in this draft?

Devassa · Post #532 » by **Devassa** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 3:47 pm

daoneandonly wrote:
Devassa wrote:
Mr B wrote:
In my trade scenario all of the PG's the Mavs are interested in in the draft would be gone. The pick would then be used on Markkanen. Tyson would be brought in which means Powell would be out. Make no mistake the Mavs will need a quality backup Center if they want a chance in the playoffs. In 2011 that guy was Haywood. Also you can underestimate what Tyson brings to the locker room. Teague is also a quality starting PG. I'm not as interested in Bledsoe, especially if it costs us our 1st round pick. I'd rather the team continue to get younger.

Very few teams ahead of us in the draft order actually have a need for a PG, so don't be surprised if Smith and Ntilikina are still available to pick from. I don't really think Ntilikina will translate very well, so if we have the option to trade that pickfor Bledsoe then I would consider that a great draft day deal. I think Markkanen will be a very good player under the right leadership, which under Dirk for a couple years is perfect... I just don't think he will still be available.

At this point, is just hoping we get super lucky in the lottery or trade the pick.

I'm almost under the same mindset. Curious, who would you say are your top 5 in order in this draft?

Boston- Fultz
Phoenix- Jackson
Lakers- Ball
76ers-Fox (I have a hard time believing they want Simmons at PG)
Magic- Tatum

daoneandonly · Post #533 » by **daoneandonly** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 3:49 pm

Devassa wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:
Devassa wrote:
Very few teams ahead of us in the draft order actually have a need for a PG, so don't be surprised if Smith and Ntilikina are still available to pick from. I don't really think Ntilikina will translate very well, so if we have the option to trade that pickfor Bledsoe then I would consider that a great draft day deal. I think Markkanen will be a very good player under the right leadership, which under Dirk for a couple years is perfect... I just don't think he will still be available.

At this point, is just hoping we get super lucky in the lottery or trade the pick.

I'm almost under the same mindset. Curious, who would you say are your top 5 in order in this draft?

Boston- Fultz
Phoenix- Jackson
Lakers- Ball
76ers-Fox (I have a hard time believing they want Simmons at PG)
Magic- Tatum

I just can't shake the feeling Monk is going to be an utter bust. I think the 76ers are the perfect spot for him since he is really not a PG, but I see Foye, Barbosa, Bayless, etc. when I see Monk.

Devassa · Post #534 » by **Devassa** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 3:57 pm

daoneandonly wrote:
Devassa wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:
I'm almost under the same mindset. Curious, who would you say are your top 5 in order in this draft?

Boston- Fultz
Phoenix- Jackson
Lakers- Ball
76ers-Fox (I have a hard time believing they want Simmons at PG)
Magic- Tatum

I just can't shake the feeling Monk is going to be an utter bust. I think the 76ers are the perfect spot for him since he is really not a PG, but I see Foye, Barbosa, Bayless, etc. when I see Monk.

You may be right. The thing that scares me most about Monk is how many 3s he shoots (roughly half of his shots). I know it's trendy right now, but I absolutely hate guys that live/die by the 3 point shot... which is why I'm not a Wes Matthews fan at all.

Yennefer · Post #535 » by **Yennefer** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:48 pm

Trading the Pick for Bledsoe would be pretty much the worst thing we could do. If we trade the Pick, at least get a good young Player and not a mediocre Player like that. With the Rookie we draft, we at least have hope that he will be a Superstar. With someone like Bledsoe you know you got a mediocre Player at best.

Darren · Post #536 » by **Darren** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 1:52 am

I don't think so. Bledsoe is better than any PG beyond top 7 pick.

Mr B · Post #537 » by **Mr B** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 3:01 am

I'm personally not on board with trading the pick for Bledsoe but I also wouldn't really call him mediocre. Injury prone yes but not mediocre. Now if they could find a way to trade for Bledsoe that didn't include their 1st round pick I'd be all for it.

Also I think I'd still prefer a player like Mudiay. A young prospect that Carlisle could help revive his career. That's what he did with Billups and Artest to a degree.

Teffer10 · Post #538 » by **Teffer10** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:18 pm

I'd much rather trade our 2018 pick (protected) for Bledsoe.

When we signed Barnes and Curry, found Yogi, Brussino and DFS and then traded for Noel, we put ourselves several years ahead of the rebuild from scratch process. If we add Bledsoe, draft well this year, and then find a somewhat decent FA, we are easily back in the POs next season with a chance to make some noise.

Starting from scratch right now doesn't make a whole lot of sense considering our current roster and the age of our core pieces.

Mr B · Post #539 » by **Mr B** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 2:25 pm

Teffer10 wrote:I'd much rather trade our 2018 pick (protected) for Bledsoe.

When we signed Barnes and Curry, found Yogi, Brussino and DFS and then traded for Noel, we put ourselves several years ahead of the rebuild from scratch process. If we add Bledsoe, draft well this year, and then find a somewhat decent FA, we are easily back in the POs next season with a chance to make some noise.

Starting from scratch right now doesn't make a whole lot of sense considering our current roster and the age of our core pieces.

I think if they had started the season with the same team they finished with they would have been a 7th or 6th seed this year. I'd be ok with trading the 2018 pick for Bledsoe but I'm not sure Phoenix would. If Bledsoe could stay healthy adding him would be similar to when the Mavs added Jadon Terry.

Pinkyring · Post #540 » by **Pinkyring** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:39 pm

Teffer10 wrote:I'd much rather trade our 2018 pick (protected) for Bledsoe.

When we signed Barnes and Curry, found Yogi, Brussino and DFS and then traded for Noel, we put ourselves several years ahead of the rebuild from scratch process. If we add Bledsoe, draft well this year, and then find a somewhat decent FA, we are easily back in the POs next season with a chance to make some noise.

Starting from scratch right now doesn't make a whole lot of sense considering our current roster and the age of our core pieces.

Id rather not trade for bledsoe either but heres the problem, we dont really have any core pieces, the only guy on this roster that we have the choice to keep long term is noel, everybody else of any decent value can be gone in 2 years. Curry could be gone next summer which I'm okay with if its in the 20m a year range, then barnes could bolt the following summer if he's in the 30m range which im also okay with, we need to keep every pick we can to actually build a core long term with some control because this team still goes as dirk goes and thats a problem