rapstarter wrote:I'm a casual fan, and I'm here reading up on a 15 year old Brazilian baseball prospect just 2 weeks into the season. Sad!
A lot better than reading up on Dermody lol.
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rapstarter wrote:I'm a casual fan, and I'm here reading up on a 15 year old Brazilian baseball prospect just 2 weeks into the season. Sad!
Which way, Blue Jays?
The Blue Jays, at 2-10, already look like a likely seller. Neither right-hander Aaron Sanchez (blister) and lefty J.A. Happ (elbow) is expected to be out long, but third baseman Josh Donaldson likely will miss 2 to 4 weeks due to his latest calf issue, sources said.
Whatever happens, it’s doubtful the Jays would pursue a major overhaul. They sold approximately 2.5 million tickets before the season even began, sources said, and do not want to lose the momentum they’ve generated in the market since the second half of 2015 – momentum reflected not only by their attendance, but also in their television ratings.
That said, the Jays are the oldest team in the majors, and they could trade their top potential free agents (right-hander Marco Estrada, left-hander Francisco Liriano, right fielder Jose Bautista) and still be quite competitive next season.
Their more difficult decisions, assuming good health, would be whether to move Donaldson and, to a lesser extent, Happ, both due to become free agents after 2018.
A strategic re-set will be necessary at some point. A major deconstruction would be a tough sell.
dagger wrote:You can read about 22 year old Anthony Alford who is 2-2 so far tonight, maybe a year away from the majors. Double, single and stolen base.
A strategic re-set will be necessary at some point. A major deconstruction would be a tough sell.
Schad wrote:A strategic re-set will be necessary at some point. A major deconstruction would be a tough sell.
I can't see how we do this without a major deconstruction. It's hard to pivot to being a younger team with more years of control without such, because we opened the season with something like 15 players over the age of 30 on our 25-man roster, with two-thirds of those being out of contract within the next two years, including our best player.
It might be a tough sell, but would letting half the team walk be an easier sell? Because we're not going to be re-signing most of those players in any instance.
vaff87 wrote:
Schad, SCHAD! I have an important question ... do you think Anthony Alford will be a top 25 prospect when mid-season prospect lists come out?
Schad wrote:vaff87 wrote:
Schad, SCHAD! I have an important question ... do you think Anthony Alford will be a top 25 prospect when mid-season prospect lists come out?
Certainly possible. Biggest things to watch for are his slugging percentage and K rate, because those will really be the determinants of his value...his walk rate is good enough that he doesn't have to be a .300 hitter to be valuable, but his K rate last season was high enough that it was a major concern for a guy who hasn't been a masher. Good start in that department, but so long as he's mostly hitting singles and getting buoyed by BABIP, some of the rankings might be a bit more conservative.
vaff87 wrote:Yeah, I would agree. Those extra base hits started coming in the last two games. It certainly seems like he's putting last year's injury riddled season behind him. He seems to have all the tools, if he can keep those K's down. Only guy that comes to mind, is perhaps Mike Cameron?
Schad wrote:vaff87 wrote:Yeah, I would agree. Those extra base hits started coming in the last two games. It certainly seems like he's putting last year's injury riddled season behind him. He seems to have all the tools, if he can keep those K's down. Only guy that comes to mind, is perhaps Mike Cameron?
Cameron's a really good shout, actually. Alford might not have quite as much power, but as Cameron was a pretty consistent 4-5 WAR player, if Alford tops out a bit below that there's still plenty of value to be had.
Schad wrote:A strategic re-set will be necessary at some point. A major deconstruction would be a tough sell.
I can't see how we do this without a major deconstruction. It's hard to pivot to being a younger team with more years of control without such, because we opened the season with something like 15 players over the age of 30 on our 25-man roster, with two-thirds of those being out of contract within the next two years, including our best player.
It might be a tough sell, but would letting half the team walk be an easier sell? Because we're not going to be re-signing most of those players in any instance.
AthensBucks wrote:Lowry is done.
Nurse is below average at best.
Masai is overrated.
I dont get how so many people believe in the raptors,they have zero to chance to win it all.
The_Hater wrote:Plus the thing with MLB rebuilds is they can be lightning quick. One lost season of trading off your vets. One more season of playing youth and carving the payroll and then you add a couple of free agents for the turnaround season.
They don't all happen this quick but the base of pitchers should be solid and by then the farm system should be producing big league players. The lineup is going to be tougher to build than the staff but hats a good thing.
BigLeagueChew wrote:That was my question for rebuilding. How many years would we potentially be looking at?
Schad wrote:
Hard to say. Players are productive at younger ages now, so it's a matter of our kids (both the ones in the system and those we'd acquire) getting here, and hopefully succeeding. If all goes well, three years perhaps?
BigLeagueChew wrote:That was my question for rebuilding. How many years would we potentially be looking at?
If the Jays team sucks then yeah they should probably trade assets for a younger core but only if they suck. Outside of losing Donaldson i think the Jays are in a good position for the future.
In 2019 we only have 52M committed to Tulo, Martin and Morales.
C: Martin
1B:
2B: Travis
SS: Tulo
3B:
RF:
CF: Pillar
LF: Pompey
DH: Morales
Sanchez
Stroman
Osuna
Biagini
Rough estimate of committed (52M) and arb guys (28M) is about 80M. Atkins and Shapiro are all about sustainable winning and if they spent their money smartly which i think they will then it should be easy to fill out the rest of the team if our payroll is at 160M or slightly higher. Hopefully one of Tellez, Gurriel, Alford or Reid-Foley become who we think they are. Doesnt include Vladdy or Urena either. Leaves roughly 70-80M to find 2 position players, 3 starters and a pen. I am not saying it is easy but i dont think that it wouldnt be hard, sure replacing Donaldson is impossible but having talent better stretched out on the field is better than Donaldson, Smoak, and whatever you have in LF.
Then in 2020 you have 32M coming off the books in Martin and Morales. Tulo in his final year at 14M, if he is still a SS then play him there, if not he can be your 1B/DH. With the new FO staying away from long term deals for vets and potentially having a payroll of 150M or more they will always be in a good position.