Potential sleepers

FreeMario · Post #781 » by **FreeMario** » Sun Apr 2, 2017 7:53 pm

Nik Slavica

doordoor123 · Post #782 » by **doordoor123** » Tue Apr 4, 2017 1:10 am

Who do you prefer as an undersized center, Eric Mika or Bam Adebayo?

Others:

Ivan Rabb or John Collins?

Edmund Sumner or Andrew Jones?

Frank Mason III or Marcus Keene?

pseudonym28 · Post #783 » by **pseudonym28** » Fri Apr 7, 2017 7:28 am

grayson allen

doordoor123 · Post #784 » by **doordoor123** » Thu Apr 13, 2017 3:17 pm

My list of sleepers (players that will be more productive than their draft position dictates):

Alpha Kaba
Jonathan Jeanne
Donovan Mitchell
Tacko Fall
Jamel Artis
Alec Peters
Eric Mika
Michalis Lountzis
Nigel Williams-Goss
Jordan Bell
Andrew Jones
Semi Ojeleye
George De Paula
Tyler Lydon
PJ Dozier
Justin Jackson

Blazinaway · Post #785 » by **Blazinaway** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:16 pm

why does Johnathon Motley (PF) seen to get so little love here and on most draft boards, seems like a solid player who may be more ready to contribute then a lot of the PF/Cs in this draft. Is some of it his age at 22?

doordoor123 · Post #786 » by **doordoor123** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:22 pm

Blazinaway wrote:why does Johnathon Motley (PF) seen to get so little love here and on most draft boards, seems like a solid player who may be more ready to contribute then a lot of the PF/Cs in this draft. Is some of it his age at 22?

I think he's an undersized center. Nothing spectacular about his game. Its possible he can be taken high, but power forward is the deepest position in this draft and there are a lot of younger guys with upside there. Lauri Markkanen, Harry Giles, DJ Wilson, Isaiah Hartenstein, Ivan Rabb, Caleb Swanigan, TJ Leaf, Tyler Lydon, Alpha Kaba, John Collins (and there are more guys that could go higher). His stock is really dependent on other player's stock.

Blazinaway · Post #787 » by **Blazinaway** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:33 pm

doordoor123 wrote:
Blazinaway wrote:why does Johnathon Motley (PF) seen to get so little love here and on most draft boards, seems like a solid player who may be more ready to contribute then a lot of the PF/Cs in this draft. Is some of it his age at 22?

I think he's an undersized center. Nothing spectacular about his game. Its possible he can be taken high, but power forward is the deepest position in this draft and there are a lot of younger guys with upside there. Lauri Markkanen, Harry Giles, DJ Wilson, Isaiah Hartenstein, Ivan Rabb, Caleb Swanigan, TJ Leaf, Tyler Lydon, Alpha Kaba, John Collins (and there are more guys that could go higher). His stock is really dependent on other player's stock.

seems hes quick enough to play the 4 and has a fairly solid mid-range game and even a decent post game, if he could extend his range to the 3 consistently (5 for 13 this yr) could be a nice stretch 4, and a 9'3 standing reach and 7' 31/2"" wingsoan does not hurt.

New note: He did have meniscus surgery in early April and likely won't be able to workout for teams so that is likely affecting his draft stock

ALL HAIL · Post #788 » by **ALL HAIL** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:52 pm

Peter Jok.

doordoor123 · Post #789 » by **doordoor123** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 7:20 pm

Blazinaway wrote:
doordoor123 wrote:
Blazinaway wrote:why does Johnathon Motley (PF) seen to get so little love here and on most draft boards, seems like a solid player who may be more ready to contribute then a lot of the PF/Cs in this draft. Is some of it his age at 22?

I think he's an undersized center. Nothing spectacular about his game. Its possible he can be taken high, but power forward is the deepest position in this draft and there are a lot of younger guys with upside there. Lauri Markkanen, Harry Giles, DJ Wilson, Isaiah Hartenstein, Ivan Rabb, Caleb Swanigan, TJ Leaf, Tyler Lydon, Alpha Kaba, John Collins (and there are more guys that could go higher). His stock is really dependent on other player's stock.

seems hes quick enough to play the 4 and has a fairly solid mid-range game and even a decent post game, if he could extend his range to the 3 consistently (5 for 13 this yr) could be a nice stretch 4, and a 9'3 standing reach and 7' 31/2"" wingsoan does not hurt.

New note: He did have meniscus surgery in early April and likely won't be able to workout for teams so that is likely affecting his draft stock

I do not think he's quick enough to guard 4s in the NBA. He doesn't get low and plays with his chest. Power forward is actually a quick position nowadays since it's one of the deepest positions. He can already shoot threes somewhat, but he's more valuable inside where he can hustle for rebounds and defend. He's also a much better passer in the post than on the wing.

916fan · Post #790 » by **916fan** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 7:54 pm

ALL HAIL wrote:Peter Jok.

Scouted a few games, I think he has a spot in the league. Good shooter with solid overall size. I think he might need to prove to teams that he's more than just a shooter. In general, I agree. Underrated.

doordoor123 · Post #791 » by **doordoor123** » Wed Apr 19, 2017 7:26 pm

I know I've said this, but I really like Eric Mika. He has huge hands and could be a threat in the low post. He also moves really well for his size.

Post #792 » by **yosemiteben** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:29 am

doordoor123 wrote:...power forward is the deepest position in this draft and there are a lot of younger guys with upside there. Lauri Markkanen, Harry Giles, DJ Wilson, Isaiah Hartenstein, Ivan Rabb, Caleb Swanigan, TJ Leaf, Tyler Lydon, Alpha Kaba, John Collins (and there are more guys that could go higher.

Do you really believe this draft is deeper at PF than PG?

The-Power · Post #793 » by **The-Power** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 3:29 pm

yosemiteben wrote:
doordoor123 wrote:...power forward is the deepest position in this draft and there are a lot of younger guys with upside there. Lauri Markkanen, Harry Giles, DJ Wilson, Isaiah Hartenstein, Ivan Rabb, Caleb Swanigan, TJ Leaf, Tyler Lydon, Alpha Kaba, John Collins (and there are more guys that could go higher.

Do you really believe this draft is deeper at PF than PG?

If Isaac and Tatum are considered PFs then I could see his point.

doordoor123 · Post #794 » by **doordoor123** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 4:43 pm

yosemiteben wrote:
doordoor123 wrote:...power forward is the deepest position in this draft and there are a lot of younger guys with upside there. Lauri Markkanen, Harry Giles, DJ Wilson, Isaiah Hartenstein, Ivan Rabb, Caleb Swanigan, TJ Leaf, Tyler Lydon, Alpha Kaba, John Collins (and there are more guys that could go higher.

Do you really believe this draft is deeper at PF than PG?

I didn't mean literally. PG is definitely always the strongest.

pad300 · Post #795 » by **pad300** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 4:47 pm

yosemiteben wrote:
doordoor123 wrote:...power forward is the deepest position in this draft and there are a lot of younger guys with upside there. Lauri Markkanen, Harry Giles, DJ Wilson, Isaiah Hartenstein, Ivan Rabb, Caleb Swanigan, TJ Leaf, Tyler Lydon, Alpha Kaba, John Collins (and there are more guys that could go higher.

Do you really believe this draft is deeper at PF than PG?

I would say deeper but not stronger - the top end isn't there for the PF's; the PG's have some clear potential franchise guys, the PF's don't. But in terms of guys who might be able to become a starter level guy? There are a lot of PFs who could develop...

Derento · Post #796 » by **Derento** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 7:45 pm

Dillon Brooks I definitely think has hidden star potential.
He is a great slasher,and improves his shot.
I don't understand how he's such a bad rebounder at his size.
If he plays 4 in the NBA his team will be destroyed on the boards.
I'm wondering if he could make the the switch to SG.

EvanZ · Post #797 » by **EvanZ** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:12 pm

Was just reading about Jacob (Jake?) Wiley from Eastern Washington. Apparently looked good at the PIT. 6'6" with 7' wingspan, great motor, shot 83% from the line on nearly 200 FTA this past season. He'll be 23 in September, so age is definitely not a strength. But I could see this guy sneaking into the draft.

Watch on YouTube

Kid just pops off the screen in these highlight reels.

nolang1 · Post #798 » by **nolang1** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:37 pm

Usually not a fan of older prospects, but it's hard to see Josh Hart not ending up as at least a rotation player for a good team. He compares quite favorably to Wes Matthews coming out of college.

pad300 · Post #799 » by **pad300** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 1:10 am

EvanZ wrote:Was just reading about Jacob (Jake?) Wiley from Eastern Washington. Apparently looked good at the PIT. 6'6" with 7' wingspan, great motor, shot 83% from the line on nearly 200 FTA this past season. He'll be 23 in September, so age is definitely not a strength. But I could see this guy sneaking into the draft.

Kid just pops off the screen in these highlight reels.

I'm guessing you were reading DX. Two more names that stuck out for me in that article: Dameyan Dotson and Davon Reed. Two older (23) combo guards. Both long, both with strong 3 pt percentages. Can they defend well enough? Can they handle/create usefully at the NBA level?

kalenclayton · Post #800 » by **kalenclayton** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 4:09 pm

doordoor123 wrote:
Blazinaway wrote:why does Johnathon Motley (PF) seen to get so little love here and on most draft boards, seems like a solid player who may be more ready to contribute then a lot of the PF/Cs in this draft. Is some of it his age at 22?

I think he's an undersized center. Nothing spectacular about his game. Its possible he can be taken high, but power forward is the deepest position in this draft and there are a lot of younger guys with upside there. Lauri Markkanen, Harry Giles, DJ Wilson, Isaiah Hartenstein, Ivan Rabb, Caleb Swanigan, TJ Leaf, Tyler Lydon, Alpha Kaba, John Collins (and there are more guys that could go higher). His stock is really dependent on other player's stock.

Motley has an elite skill for sure: Interview Composure.

Watch on YouTube

But in all seriousness, I agree Blazinaway that Motley is underrated. He seems to be a great teammate who respects and is respected by his teammates. He brings a ton of energy and looks like he has a good understanding of the game. He's pretty darn athletic, so while he doesn't have any other elite skills, I think he can develop a lot of high-end skills. He's just a solid player.