dre is closer to being a good player than svg is to being a good coach

[BadMofoPimp]

I wish I was Lying but I knew SVG was somewhat misguided when he demoted then pushed out the legendary Arnie Kander.

SVG just doesn't have a feel for the subjective things that bring success. He's a paint by the numbers rationalizing guy, with no balance or feel. It shows up at the worst possible times. That's why they called him the master of panic at Miami.

"They" didnt call him **** - Shaq did

This is the same Shaq that was fat, lazy and unmotivated the vast majority of his career and ultimately the root cause of the breakdown in a dynasty!

I'm highly unlikely to give a **** what Shaq thinks considering his dumb arse couldn't turn up in shape while being on a true contender!

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Ironic many players attribute their NBA accomplishments and becoming the players they are due to SVG like Ryan Anderson, Reddick, Gortat amongst a few others.

[Pharaoh]

In hindsight these are key moments for this franchise since 2003:

Drafting Darko over Bosh

Hiring a string of poor coaches

Trading Chauncey

Signing BG & CV

Not bottoming out when Joe still had some clout

Trading Knight & Middleton for Jennings

Signing Josh Smith

Not getting anything for Monroe

Not drafting Booker over SJ

The vast majority of these occured because of Joe Dumars!

I'm sure people expected SVG to produce a title contender in 3 years without having MAX cap space or a top 5 pick while being a free agent dead zone!

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[davidvolumes]

What people expected was for SVG to put a better product on the floor by the end of year 3 than he has.

[potatoaim]

What people expected was for SVG to put a better product on the floor by the end of year 3 than he has.

People expected Dre to look like a basketball player by the end of year 5.

[Pharaoh]

What people expected was for SVG to put a better product on the floor by the end of year 3 than he has.

A better product?

Made the playoffs last season

We were 5 wins out of the 4th seed at one point in March!

Disappointing season for sure but the whole "blow it up" mentality is how we got to be a joke in the first place

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[davidvolumes]

3 years into a 5 year plan and the team is in disarray with no clear direction. All I want to see is good basketball, not talk about some coach's accomplishments 9 years ago. Andre was an all star and rebounding champ 1 year ago. His butt was so bad this year I wished he could have been sent to the d league. 9 years ago svg may have been a good coach; I don't know or care. I know these past 3 years he coached like he was on drugs.

[Pharaoh]

3 years into a 5 year plan and the team is in disarray with no clear direction. All I want to see is good basketball, not talk about some coach's accomplishments 9 years ago. Andre was an all star and rebounding champ 1 year ago. His butt was so bad this year I wished he could have been sent to the d league. 9 years ago svg may have been a good coach; I don't know or care. I know these past 3 years he coached like he was on drugs.

In disarray with no clear direction? What have you been watching?

Mook, Jon, Baynes, Bobo, Harris, Ish are all underpaid in the current cap climate. Last season we all said the same about Reggie! Seems the direction was to acquire underpriced players on yeam friendly deals!

"All I want to see is good basketball" - personal preference is a funny thing! Some people love watching games that are 120-111 scoring exercises, some love watching 85-79 grinds. Personally I want to watch guys who give the effort every night and I'm not concerned if they win or not. What's your preference?

"Dre was an all star and rebounding champ 1 year ago" - so it's possible this is just a bad year all round for the franchise and he and a couple of others will get back to that next season

"I know these past 3 years he (SVG) coached like he was on drugs": you KNOW this? How? FWIW he coached us to a .500 record and the playoffs last season!

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[LaSheed]

We were a young team that starting climbing up hill a little to fast imo.

We slipped but i truly think we can bounce back next season.

[davidvolumes]

Pharoah when you tell me how You Know all that b.s. you spout I will tell you how I know. Team trying dump their 2 franchise pieces mid season. Too funny.

[hoophabit]

The basic premise of the thread is absurd. SVG is a proven coach. Dre is a deeply flawed player, not only in terms of skill set, as his commitment to the game can seriously be questioned. SVG is both coach and team president, but he had no control over Reggie's health issues. I'm amazed by the recent narrative that he forced RJ to come back too soon? I'd be interested in seeing the source where RJ asserts that he knew he wasn't ready but was required to return?

This said, there are reasons to question SVG's coaching methods/style. He's emotionally volatile and his histrionics have been proven to wear on players. I understand the mindset that they're professionals and millionaires, but no one likes someone screaming at them. Leadership, IMO, is better served by a persona of calm resolve.

[davidvolumes]

What we do know about svg is that 9 years ago he coached a much more talented team than these pistons to the ECF's. We also know svg played a moose, dre and josh smith lineup until it became obvious to a blind man it was not going to work. Finally after a half season smith is removed from the lineup and the same team flourishes. So much so that there was talk of playoffs until Jennings got hurt. My point is that was a poor coaching decision to play that big 3 lineup. There was a whole year of tape to show the ineffectiveness of that lineup. And then he just gives smith 30 million to go away. I am not at all interested what svg did nine years ago as a coach. These past 3 years have been more like Lawrence frank than Greg popovich.

[Pharaoh]

Pharoah when you tell me how You Know all that b.s. you spout I will tell you how I know. Team trying dump their 2 franchise pieces mid season. Too funny.

You sound like those dudes who used to claim that we were constantly trying to replace KCP with someone else

4 years in and no one was acquired to take KCPs spot.

Claiming that we tried to dump our 2 franchise pieces is a joke - since we didn't dump them!

That suggests we weren't looking to dump them but instead wanted value for them

BTW, IF we're trying to dump those 2 doesn't that mean SVG knows what's up?

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[Pharaoh]

What we do know about svg is that 9 years ago he coached a much more talented team than these pistons to the ECF's. We also know svg played a moose, dre and josh smith lineup until it became obvious to a blind man it was not going to work. Finally after a half season smith is removed from the lineup and the same team flourishes. So much so that there was talk of playoffs until Jennings got hurt. My point is that was a poor coaching decision to play that big 3 lineup. There was a whole year of tape to show the ineffectiveness of that lineup. And then he just gives smith 30 million to go away. I am not at all interested what svg did nine years ago as a coach. These past 3 years have been more like Lawrence frank than Greg popovich.

Again: last season we were .500 & in the playoffs

You're raging against everything now the season is over dude

SVG? Fire Him! Players? Dump Them!

Good luck managing your disappointment on opening night

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