Luka Doncic

[soulzen]

Does bet365 actually stream Euroleague games? Anyway just type Real Madrid Darussafaka live stream and limit to 24 hours old or less, you can find most streams with some digging that way, it's just that the quality is not that good (Also use AdBlocker if you don't have it).

All playoffs games and F4 is 19.99€.

https://www.euroleague.tv/packages

I don't expect anything special from Doncic, it will be Llull with the ball almost all the time, if he won't have really bad night.

yeah that is way too expensive haha.. i dont expect him either. but i am hoping that he will have one awesome game in this series..

Which is what many people don't think about, I see to many comments on other forums/reddit talk about how he is "dominating" in Europe and then they expect some crazy performances from him when they actually decide to watch an Euroleague game for the first time in their life and then call him extremly overrated. I don't think any player is "dominating" in Europe for that matter, playing and carrying himself like an experienced veteran under so much pressure as a teenager in Euroleague is impressive.

well.. since i am from slovenia i have watched many EL games before and will after... but thats none of your buisness really... cant someone just ask if anyone have good stream? i find NBA games stream very good and my usual sources are way worse.

anyone have any decent stream for todays game? or EL games in general. preferably english speaking but i will take anythink... i hate using bet365 streams... too small.

Ace stream: http://www.acesoplisting.in/
It's usually in spanish, I dont understand a word, but their commentators make great atmosphere

thanks. much appreciated

Wait what? I replied to you earlier telling you how I find streams for EL games, I just tried to help. I was replying to the guy who said he expects nothing special from Doncic and I agreed with him saying why people are saying he is overrated when they hear comments about how he is dominating Euroleague. That wasn't aimed at you in any way.

[Bob8]

Does bet365 actually stream Euroleague games? Anyway just type Real Madrid Darussafaka live stream and limit to 24 hours old or less, you can find most streams with some digging that way, it's just that the quality is not that good (Also use AdBlocker if you don't have it).

All playoffs games and F4 is 19.99€.

https://www.euroleague.tv/packages

I don't expect something special from Doncic, it will be Llull with the ball almost all the time, if he won't have really bad night.

Which is what many people don't think about, I see to many comments on other forums/reddit talk about how he is "dominating" in Europe and then they expect some crazy performances from him when they actually decide to watch an Euroleague game for the first time in their life and then call him extremly overrated. I don't think any player is "dominating" in Europe for that matter, playing and carrying himself like an experienced veteran under so much pressure as a teenager in Euroleague is impressive.

It's playoff time and Llull is still king in Real. That's all.

[XTraderXL]

I think the only way Luka has a great game is if Llull is terrible and Laso plays him less than usual. If he gets 30 min, he will dominate the ball and Real will win in a close game (under 10) because they have more individual quality. Its playoffs and Llull will want to show he is still the King so he will force the issue even if he wont be able to hit a shot like he couldnt the last few weeks.

[Bob8]

I think the only way Luka has a great game is if Llull is terrible and Laso plays him less than usual. If he gets 30 min, he will dominate the ball and Real will win in a close game (under 10) because they have more individual quality. Its playoffs and Llull will want to show he is still the King so he will force the issue even if he wont be able to hit a shot like he couldnt the last few weeks.

There's one more thing. Darussafaka is playing fast basketball, with many Isos, one on one basketball, with many possessions... Their game style is really written for Llull.

[Juree93]

Wait what? I replied to you earlier telling you how I find streams for EL games, I just tried to help. I was replying to the guy who said he expects nothing special from Doncic and I agreed with him saying why people are saying he is overrated when they hear comments about how he is dominating Euroleague. That wasn't aimed at you in any way.

sorry about outburst then. it was long day. about that topic.. i feel that in this playoffs Doncic has nothing to lose regarding scouting and draft, he can only make big push, because he is not expected to do a lot. anyway. i hope e will see good and quality bbal with RM win.

[soulzen]

Wait what? I replied to you earlier telling you how I find streams for EL games, I just tried to help. I was replying to the guy who said he expects nothing special from Doncic and I agreed with him saying why people are saying he is overrated when they hear comments about how he is dominating Euroleague. That wasn't aimed at you in any way.

sorry about outburst then. it was long day. about that topic.. i feel that in this playoffs Doncic has nothing to lose regarding scouting and draft, he can only make big push, because he is not expected to do a lot. anyway. i hope e will see good and quality bbal with RM win.

No worries, completely understandable. It would be incredible if Real gets the treble this year, but I'm excited to see how he performs during Eurobasket, he should have more freedom than he has now, it will be all about dragic and Doncic.

[Ettorefm]

So, did he blow by anyone yet ?

[blazeyo]

Picking Doncic 1st in 2018 is just insanity. He cant create his own shot and he he is too slow to guard pgs at the next level.

[UcanUwill]

Llull had a wonderful game. where Doncic made me think of Charlie Brown...

[Bob8]

Since this thread already went OT kinda, can I ask, what do you think are OLYs chances against Efes? Obviously OLY is the favorite, but Efes has a nice team on paper, so I kinda worried. DO you think Efes has legit chance? I am asking, because I want to place a bigger bet on CSKA, Real and OLY combination.

Oly is clear favorite + Honeycutt has some knee problems. If he won't play first 2 games, Efes chances drop even more. Realistically is 70:30 for Oly if Honeycutt plays, if not...

Reassuring odds. Why do you think is that, are OLY's leaders so much better than Efes'? Because I dont think so, Efes won 8 out of last 10, they have some legit talent. They match up with OLY very well, similar rosters. OLY has defensive specialists Papanikolao and Birch, Efes has Honeycutt and Dunston, OLY has Printezis, Efes has Brown, OLY has Spanoulis, Efes has Heurtel. OLY is a pretty good home team, but they been dropping games as of late. I will probably end up placing the bet, but if Efes upset happens, I wouldn't be shocked at all.

I know we can discuss this in the International board, that place is dead, I encourage people post in it more.

Like I said, Efes has very few chances, they're to soft for this Oly. I think 3:0 will not be big surprise.

[blazeyo]

Why is Doncic so slow and methodical ? He doesnt attack the basket at all.

[Gam]

Why is Doncic so slow and methodical ? He doesnt attack the basket at all.

Put an 18 year old Larry Bird in the spanish league, and I imagine he'd look just about the same if not worse.

[Bob8]

Why is Doncic so slow and methodical ? He doesnt attack the basket at all.

They're playing for the title now. Doncic will do exactly what Laso expect from him, and that means no heroics. Only wins count. He's only 18 years old player in Euroleague. The next one is Zizic with 20 years. Would you expect from high school kid to shine in Nba playoffs?

[Mirotic12]

Picking Doncic 1st in 2018 is just insanity. He cant create his own shot and he he is too slow to guard pgs at the next level.

I have explained this already here..........he isn't a point guard. It's clear that he's a ball handling small forward. Not being able to guard any point guards is irrelevant. He can't guard a single point guard in EuroLeague. When he tries, he gets embarrassed most of the time. His pick and roll defense is even worse than his man defense (where he can't stay in front of any small guards).

The point is.......he is only being used at all as a point guard in his team because his coach is a 100% pure offense coach, and because Doncic has it much easier on offense playing as a point, where he can see and shoot and pass over the defense. And he's not strong enough to guard shooting guards or small forwards yet, who will muscle him in the post (because he's only 18).

His coach simply doesn't care about defense, and wants to put him in the best possible situation on offense. That's it. It's probably just a one year experiment anyway. I doubt they stay with him as a point guard that much longer.

There really is no reason to keep saying how he can't guard point guards and that is a problem in the NBA.......because he is not going to be a point guard. He will be a good ball handling small forward, whether it is EuroLeague or NBA. So him not being able to guard point guards is irrelevant, and so is saying he can't play at "the next level" because of that, since he can't guard point guards in EuroLeague already - it's not his position. It won't affect him in NBA. It's just an experiment due to his age and team right now. He won't even be a point guard going forward if he stays in Real.

He doesn't have good lateral speed, as his feet are kind of slow - but he's going to be guarding small forwards, which is a big difference.

Which is what many people don't think about, I see to many comments on other forums/reddit talk about how he is "dominating" in Europe and then they expect some crazy performances from him when they actually decide to watch an Euroleague game for the first time in their life and then call him extremly overrated. I don't think any player is "dominating" in Europe for that matter, playing and carrying himself like an experienced veteran under so much pressure as a teenager in Euroleague is impressive.

I say this over and over...a lot of NBA fans seem to fully believe in this idea that any American player, and any European that was in NBA, or was a draft pick, or going to be a draft pick, "dominates the EuroLeague". It's of course totally untrue and completely silly of a concept. Especially when there have not been any "dominant" EuroLeague players in like 25 years or so. Despite what some here may claim. EuroLeague isn't the kind of basketball where anyone can "dominate". It simply does not and will not happen. Yet, the general perception from people who don't follow EuroLeague seems to be that it's a league full of "dominant" Americans and "dominant" European future draft picks. That's simply not the reality though.

[SportsGuy8]

Doncic simply needs the ball in his hands to create things. He only has big games when Llull either takes a backseat for whatever reason, or doesn't play at all. So whoever is watching these super important Real Madrid games and hoping/expecting to see Doncic at his best, prepare for a very high probability to be disappointed.

This is also my worry for him in the NBA. He can be a true star if he's given the keys, but if not, he can regress quite a bit, to the point where he's merely going to be a very good starter.

[UcanUwill]

Like I said, Efes has very few chances, they're to soft for this Oly. I think 3:0 will not be big surprise.

So far so good, all 3 teams I needed won the first game. Surprisingly, the game I was worried the most, OLY-Efes, was the least competitive. That said, it seemed like Efes figured out their defense in the second half, but OLY ran away offensively, which is not very usual for them. First half was all that, OLY with their powerhouse defense.

Doncic looked very mediocre in his game. His lack of scoring is getting more and more worrysome. If he plays like that next year, I probably wouldn't touch him with a top 8 pick. And I thought he had the ball in his hands plenty, not as much as in regular season, but its not like he was just spotting the entire time.

[Bob8]

Like I said, Efes has very few chances, they're to soft for this Oly. I think 3:0 will not be big surprise.

So far so good, all 3 teams I needed won the first game. Surprisingly, the game I was worried the most, OLY-Efes, was the least competitive. That said, it seemed like Efes figured out their defense in the second half, but OLY ran away offensively, which is not very usual for them. First half was all that, OLY with their powerhouse defense.

Doncic looked very mediocre in his game. His lack of scoring is getting more and more worrysome. If he plays like that next year, I probably wouldn't touch him with a top 8 pick. And I thought he had the ball in his hands plenty, not as much as in regular season, but its not like he was just spotting the entire time.

I don't know how regularly you have been watching Euroleague, but Oly-Efes game went exactly how it was expected to go. The last game against Efes in regular season was more like a friendly for Oly. Even if by some kind of miracle Efes wins the next game, Oly will win at least one in Istanbul.

In the first game of playoffs only 4 players scored more than 20 points. Nando de Colo was fifth with 17 points. That's the way Euroleague playoffs are being played. You can put Fultz, Ball or whoever you like in this game and they would look the same or worse than Doncic. It's all about team basketball. Even Llull who's capable of forcing more than 10 wild 3-pointers, even if he's 1/10, has taken only 6 and with good percentage. Nobody is playing for his stats anymore, only team matters.

[UcanUwill]

I don't know how regularly you have been watching Euroleague, but Oly-Efes game went exactly how it was expected to go. The last game against Efes in regular season was more like a friendly for Oly. Even if by some kind of miracle Efes wins the next game, Oly will win at least one in Istanbul.

In the first game of playoffs only 4 players scored more than 20 points. Nando de Colo was fifth with 17 points. That's the way Euroleague playoffs are being played. You can put Fultz, Ball or whoever you like in this game and they would look the same or worse than Doncic. It's all about team basketball. Even Llull who's capable of forcing more than 10 wild 3-pointers, even if he's 1/10, has taken only 6 and with good percentage. Nobody is playing for his stats anymore, only team matters.

If it wasn't my $ on the line, I would probably feel the same way. But when you bet, all sorts of pessimistic thoughts rise, really hope OLY takes this.

For Doncic, I am not asking him to score 20, but he is superstar prospects, and I expect better than 4 points. As of right now he only has that step back 3 and thats it. Guy can't score regularly and thats not good.

[Derento]

I don't know how regularly you have been watching Euroleague, but Oly-Efes game went exactly how it was expected to go. The last game against Efes in regular season was more like a friendly for Oly. Even if by some kind of miracle Efes wins the next game, Oly will win at least one in Istanbul.

In the first game of playoffs only 4 players scored more than 20 points. Nando de Colo was fifth with 17 points. That's the way Euroleague playoffs are being played. You can put Fultz, Ball or whoever you like in this game and they would look the same or worse than Doncic. It's all about team basketball. Even Llull who's capable of forcing more than 10 wild 3-pointers, even if he's 1/10, has taken only 6 and with good percentage. Nobody is playing for his stats anymore, only team matters.

If it wasn't my $ on the line, I would probably feel the same way. But when you bet, all sorts of pessimistic thoughts rise, really hope OLY takes this.

For Doncic, I am not asking him to score 20, but he is superstar prospects, and I expect better than 4 points. As of right now he only has that step back 3 and thats it. Guy can't score regularly and thats not good.

Do you think it would be better for his development if he played for a weaker team were he wouldn't have to worry about shots or giving the ball to veterans.

[Derento]

I don't know how regularly you have been watching Euroleague, but Oly-Efes game went exactly how it was expected to go. The last game against Efes in regular season was more like a friendly for Oly. Even if by some kind of miracle Efes wins the next game, Oly will win at least one in Istanbul.

In the first game of playoffs only 4 players scored more than 20 points. Nando de Colo was fifth with 17 points. That's the way Euroleague playoffs are being played. You can put Fultz, Ball or whoever you like in this game and they would look the same or worse than Doncic. It's all about team basketball. Even Llull who's capable of forcing more than 10 wild 3-pointers, even if he's 1/10, has taken only 6 and with good percentage. Nobody is playing for his stats anymore, only team matters.

If it wasn't my $ on the line, I would probably feel the same way. But when you bet, all sorts of pessimistic thoughts rise, really hope OLY takes this.

For Doncic, I am not asking him to score 20, but he is superstar prospects, and I expect better than 4 points. As of right now he only has that step back 3 and thats it. Guy can't score regularly and thats not good.

Yeah I'm worried also that he doesn't shoot a lot.
Does he have scoring instincts to look for good shot or is he just passive and just pass it around.