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Re: 2017 OKC Thunder Trade Discussion 

Post#1621 » by ThunderBolt » Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:36 pm

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Kizz Fastfists wrote: It also makes it possible to make up from an off night from one of your stars because you have a lot of guys capable of picking up the slack. Who picks up the slack for OKC when Russ has a bad night?


I think this proves the overall point some of us have been making in regards to players like Kanter and Oladipo. We know that Adams, Victor, and Kanter can't pick up the slack on the offensive end. We have seen an entire season of it. Losing some combination of them doesn't matter since none of them are true difference makers. We have one difference maker in Russ. That is where it stops. Moving some combination, hell... even all three of them if you were able to build a team that makes sense would be better than what we currently have. Now, we don't know what will be out there when the offseason is underway, but this team should be open to any and everything.

I don't care what Presti says, Adams should be the last person on this team that is untouchable. I'm pretty down on Kanter and would basically give him away just to be rid of him, but Presti probably wants a decent return for him. Good luck with that given how flawed he is.

The fact that Javale , David west, and Zaza pachulia are having the success they are having just drives home the point that unless you are paying an elite big man like Anthony Davis, KP, or Towns, we don't need to spend the absurd amount of money we are spending on big men. Especially when they are producing at a similar or even lower level than guys that make far less money than them. They could give Kanter away for a rotation level player and like 1-2 2nd rounders and I wouldn't protest at all .


To your point, Davis, KP and Towns also have completely different style of game than Adams. Even if Adams played to the potential we had hoped, he wouldn't match up well with those guys, especially KP and Davis.
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Re: 2017 OKC Thunder Trade Discussion 

Post#1622 » by spearsy23 » Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:15 am

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Kizz Fastfists wrote:Zaza and West left a LOT of money on the table to play for the Warriors. McGee is a head case who is going to get paid this off-season for not blowing up mentally this year because the on court ability has always been there. None of them were or are options for OKC. West left over $10M on the table in the '15-'16 season opting out to sign with the Spurs for the vet minimum. He is still a very good player and using that to chase a ring while he can.

All it proves is that if you can get players who are top 25 at their position to chase rings for the vet minimum it greatly increases your chances of winning. It doesn't matter what position they play. Having a significant advantage in your 2nd unit only further pushes the separation when your starting 5 is better. If your starting 5 isn't better than it gives you a chance to get a lead with the 2nd unit. It also makes it possible to make up from an off night from one of your stars because you have a lot of guys capable of picking up the slack. Who picks up the slack for OKC when Russ has a bad night?


Obviously we can't compete and compare to golden state. However if the goal is simply to have a top 25 center that's not exactly an unreachable goal. The problem is we thought we had a solid top ten center that was on the cusp of being a top 5 guy, but he's not one. So the question is, are guys like Capela, Nene, Biyombo and Zeller better than Adams? Let's so we could acquire Vucevich and Gallinarri for Adams and Oladipo. Heck, throw in Kanter too. Would we be better off? I think it's a good possibility.

I'd gladly do zeller for Adams straight up. Cody is everything Adams is supposed to be, he just doesn't have the massive size. Even if Adams was playing to potential I'm not sure I wouldn't prefer zeller on his contract.
“If you're getting stops and you're making threes and the other team's not scoring, that's when you're going to see a huge point difference there,” coach Billy Donovan said.
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Re: 2017 OKC Thunder Trade Discussion 

Post#1623 » by spearsy23 » Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:18 am

Zagor wrote:Fu******* Sam Presti.
How did he manage to team up this **** roster? Scrubs like Kanter, Singler.....Sabonis will be new Kanter because he will never be able to defend even on average level. Semaj, Grant?
How can you compete in the league if you can't sign anyone on the FA market?
And Billy D.....he is a story on his own. Just average coach.

Poor Russ, it is sad to see with whom he must play. In the summer, Kanter and Oladipo need to be traded.

While I approve of the general sentiment behind this post, Sabonis is already a solid defender, he just blows at offense.
“If you're getting stops and you're making threes and the other team's not scoring, that's when you're going to see a huge point difference there,” coach Billy Donovan said.
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Re: 2017 OKC Thunder Trade Discussion 

Post#1624 » by Andre Roberstan » Tue Apr 18, 2017 4:10 pm

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This one is interesting. But, I highly doubt Blake pushes his way out of Clip land. But, Blake to OKC makes a ton of sense in that it is his hometown and he would be coming to a younger team ready to hits its stride rather than an aging team that is trying to stay relevant with aging stars w/ the super team in GS just out doing them. If this is something that could actually occur I wonder two things first what is the cost and second how does the sign and trade work between the Clippers and Thunder, I know the rules changed and added multiple restrictions to these types of trades.

I also don't think should deal any of Westbrook, Oladipo, Adams, Abrines, and Sabonis. These guys are the future. Other than Westbrook these guys are all under 25 and the future core of this franchise. Plus they fit the Thunder way.

McDermott, Roberson, Grant are all players that I really like and I think they fit a purpose but you have to give something to get something.


Bill stole this from my mind without attribution. I never posted anything on it on the trade board, though, cause I hate posting sign and trades cause they never happen.

I can't find a way to make it work as-is under the salary cap, though. All 3 teams are capped out and the Clips are about to hit repeater, and sign-and-trades hard cap a team at the apron.
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Re: 2017 OKC Thunder Trade Discussion 

Post#1625 » by jambalaya » Tue Apr 18, 2017 4:55 pm

Blake can't get to OKC without more than Kanter moving.

Best bets for Kanter moving are to Sacramento or Chicago and probably taking less salary & talent back. Kuofos or Tolliver and a pick or maybe both and a pick swap? Jerian Grant and Mirotic?
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Re: 2017 OKC Thunder Trade Discussion 

Post#1626 » by ThunderBolt » Tue Apr 18, 2017 4:56 pm

jambalaya wrote:Blake can't get to OKC without more than Kanter moving.

Best bets for Kanter moving are to Sacramento or Chicago and probably less salary & talent back.


Kanter for papagiannis or wcs is fine with me.
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Post#1627 » by jambalaya » Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:00 pm

Presti would try for Stein. Vivek would try to find another way but might be talked into it.
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Re: 2017 OKC Thunder Trade Discussion 

Post#1628 » by ThunderBolt » Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:04 pm

Sacramento has three centers that are cheaper than our guys and they'll probably add one or two more in this years draft.
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Re: 2017 OKC Thunder Trade Discussion 

Post#1629 » by Kizz Fastfists » Wed Apr 19, 2017 1:28 pm

Knrstz wrote:Sacramento has three centers that are cheaper than our guys and they'll probably add one or two more in this years draft.


Are you saying you want OKC to be like Sacramento?
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Re: 2017 OKC Thunder Trade Discussion 

Post#1630 » by ThunderBolt » Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:24 pm

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Knrstz wrote:Sacramento has three centers that are cheaper than our guys and they'll probably add one or two more in this years draft.


Are you saying you want OKC to be like Sacramento?


I'm saying if we move Kanter or Adams and need a center, Sacramento could be a trade partner since they have several options. Also, since they are so inclined to draft big men, maybe they'll have even more when it comes time for us to make moves.
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Re: 2017 OKC Thunder Trade Discussion 

Post#1631 » by Andre Roberstan » Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:27 pm

jambalaya wrote:Blake can't get to OKC without more than Kanter moving.

Best bets for Kanter moving are to Sacramento or Chicago and probably taking less salary & talent back. Kuofos or Tolliver and a pick or maybe both and a pick swap? Jerian Grant and Mirotic?


My money would be on SAC. But I think Presti would probably try to get Papagiannis.

EDIT: Just saw your post on WCS. Yeah, realistically I think that's the guy that he'd go for, but I think he might have to settle for Papa.

I love Cauley-Stein, though. If that were to happen I'd be ecstatic.
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Re: 2017 OKC Thunder Trade Discussion 

Post#1632 » by ThunderBolt » Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:57 pm

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jambalaya wrote:Blake can't get to OKC without more than Kanter moving.

Best bets for Kanter moving are to Sacramento or Chicago and probably taking less salary & talent back. Kuofos or Tolliver and a pick or maybe both and a pick swap? Jerian Grant and Mirotic?


My money would be on SAC. But I think Presti would probably try to get Papagiannis.

EDIT: Just saw your post on WCS. Yeah, realistically I think that's the guy that he'd go for, but I think he might have to settle for Papa.

I love Cauley-Stein, though. If that were to happen I'd be ecstatic.

I won't lie and say I'm able to watch a lot of kings games, but i read box scores and try to keep up with young prospects. Everyone says WCS is extremely fast. I'm curious if this would translate into him being a center that can stay on the court for small ball.
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Re: 2017 OKC Thunder Trade Discussion 

Post#1633 » by InTheSabonus » Thu Apr 20, 2017 7:37 am

So I've been ok with Oladipo most of the season- I've always thought that he needed a few more buckets per game to transition from 3rd option to 2nd option caliber- but these two games have been pretty damning.

A knock on him has been that he can score on the bad teams but disappears when the heat is on...he's done exactly that so far in the playoffs. He can't make layups, doesn't get to the free throw line, subpar dribbler and creator so can't play point, and goes into his shell if he misses a couple of shots early. Maybe he'd go and be great somewhere else, because that's what usually happens with us, but as it stands now he really has to prove himself in the next couple of games we have. Has skill and ability, but is just...soft. I don't normally like labeling players as "soft" but that's what he plays like.

We just paid him too much. I'm not sure what type of deal exactly we could do involving him, but if we got an area of need addressed I wouldn't mind trading him.
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Re: 2017 OKC Thunder Trade Discussion 

Post#1634 » by Pillendreher » Thu Apr 20, 2017 7:57 am

'I'll offer you Enes Kanter. He's a great 20 million to park on the bench in the Playoffs'
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Re: 2017 OKC Thunder Trade Discussion 

Post#1635 » by ThunderBolt » Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:55 am

InTheSabonus wrote:So I've been ok with Oladipo most of the season- I've always thought that he needed a few more buckets per game to transition from 3rd option to 2nd option caliber- but these two games have been pretty damning.

A knock on him has been that he can score on the bad teams but disappears when the heat is on...he's done exactly that so far in the playoffs. He can't make layups, doesn't get to the free throw line, subpar dribbler and creator so can't play point, and goes into his shell if he misses a couple of shots early. Maybe he'd go and be great somewhere else, because that's what usually happens with us, but as it stands now he really has to prove himself in the next couple of games we have. Has skill and ability, but is just...soft. I don't normally like labeling players as "soft" but that's what he plays like.

We just paid him too much. I'm not sure what type of deal exactly we could do involving him, but if we got an area of need addressed I wouldn't mind trading him.


We either trade Adams, Kanter and Vic for young prospects and rebuild with Russ or without him. I know the idea of doing a mini-rebuild around Russ sounds stupid but it might be our only option. When I say mini-rebuild, I mean young prospects and draft picks. We aren't going to get established talent for Vic, Adams and Kanter. Maybe we can get Jaylen brown for Steven Adams. Use Vic to move up in the draft. The goal is we might have some decent players a couple of years from now when Russ starts to decline.

The only realistic option that helps soon that I've seen and like is Oladipo for Lavine. Maybe we could get them to take singlets contract too.
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Re: 2017 OKC Thunder Trade Discussion 

Post#1636 » by Kizz Fastfists » Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:33 pm

Do you think Russ is going to sign an extension to be part of a rebuild at this point in his career?
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Post#1637 » by bondom34 » Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:38 pm

Kizz Fastfists wrote:Do you think Russ is going to sign an extension to be part of a rebuild at this point in his career?

I don't see it that way, but I think he does.
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Post#1638 » by bondom34 » Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:39 pm

I also think PG, Butler, and anyone offered the DVPE will.
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Re: 2017 OKC Thunder Trade Discussion 

Post#1639 » by ThunderBolt » Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:52 pm

Kizz Fastfists wrote:Do you think Russ is going to sign an extension to be part of a rebuild at this point in his career?


Do I sound excited about that option? That certainly wasn't my intent. I just don't think Adams, Oladipo and Kanter will get us good established players.
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Post#1640 » by Kizz Fastfists » Thu Apr 20, 2017 2:14 pm

Knrstz wrote:Do I sound excited about that option? That certainly wasn't my intent. I just don't think Adams, Oladipo and Kanter will get us good established players.


We agree on that. My point was as much as people in general. There are a lot of people who think Russ is just going to stay no matter how bad OKC is. I think he cares too much about winning to stay in OKC past next year when he will get his 35% max from whatever team he signs with.
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