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Around the NBA: Playoff Edition #2

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Re: Around the NBA: Playoff Edition #2 

Post#401 » by Butler4thewin » Fri Apr 21, 2017 3:09 am

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Proven_Winner wrote:But lebron is old and isn't the same anymore. :lol:

I rather have to play Toronto since they have more threats with derozan and Lowry and he'll maybe even ibaka. Not saying Milwaukee doesn't have a chance but unless giannis takes it at lebron and gives him hell on both ends they will most likely lose in 4 or 5.

The bucks defense is what you want against this years cavs length athletic and high intensity I think they would make the cavs struggle a lot more......I mean look at how horrible the raps with all those options are doing


I see what you're saying but we've seen what lebron can do in a series. You need someone who can attack him on both ends so that he can't rest. I think the raps can do that where as I'm not so sure giannis can carry Milwaukee past Cleveland right now. Also just because the Bucks are locking up Toronto doesn't mean it will be the same case next series.

Look at us. Lopez is out there looking like prime Shaq against Boston. Replace Boston with Toronto and Lopez definitely wouldn't be dominating like this. Sometimes the matchup isn't in your favor as we see with the celtics. Doesn't mean the next team is going to have those same problems.

After watching Lebron today I know neither the raps or bucks can beat him in a series but at least the bucks will wear his whole team down
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Re: Around the NBA: Playoff Edition #2 

Post#402 » by Butler4thewin » Fri Apr 21, 2017 3:11 am

Paul George getting owned by Lebron tonight is a very good thing he needs to realize he needs to join butler and work together to have a shot
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Post#403 » by OldSchoolNoBull » Fri Apr 21, 2017 3:18 am

Zach Randolph having a throwback game.
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Post#404 » by Mbrahv0528 » Fri Apr 21, 2017 3:19 am

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From what I've seen he is, at least late game he has.


Just tuned in saw Shumpert on PG.

Unless LBJ is in foul trouble just don't get why he can't take the other's team's best wing anymore. In 2013 he would have.


I'm not sure why either. Surely if they get past us in the ECF he'll guard Durant in the finals.

LeBron isn't guarding Durant in the finals.

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Post#405 » by Mbrahv0528 » Fri Apr 21, 2017 3:22 am

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Chicago-Bull-E wrote:The idea that a team can sit its two allstars so the other allstar can have the offense all to himself, who then proceeds to destroy the other team is crazy.


It's where we are with the 3 ball. If you can't do GSW and assemble an Olympic team, then do what Cleveland did or what Houston has done all year. Four shooters and the superstar. OKC should have done that too but assembled the wrong pieces.

Or be the Spurs. I still can't figure out how they do it, but they do.

Unselfishness and great ball movement. Oh and some guy named Pop.

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Post#406 » by Mbrahv0528 » Fri Apr 21, 2017 3:27 am

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Butler4thewin wrote:They pissed off Lebron by laughing at him and he woke up I want the bucks to play him they will throw his shooting off for two games in the next series just with the fear they put in people with blocks and length

But lebron is old and isn't the same anymore.

I rather have to play Toronto since they have more threats with derozan and Lowry and he'll maybe even ibaka. Not saying Milwaukee doesn't have a chance but unless giannis takes it at lebron and gives him hell on both ends they will most likely lose in 4 or 5.

The bucks defense is what you want against this years cavs length athletic and high intensity I think they would make the cavs struggle a lot more......I mean look at how horrible the raps with all those options are doing

Definitely. I see Milwaukee's youth and athleticism giving the Cavs a lot of problems. To be honest I think they matchup better than we do against them.

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Post#407 » by DanTown8587 » Fri Apr 21, 2017 3:29 am

That run that they made, it also didn't involve Love and Irving or Thompson. It was Williams - Shumpert/Smith - Korver - James - Frye. When you're down 20 with 18 minutes to go, it's easy to bench those guys and ride the unit that got you back in the game. But that unit still struggled to defend (the Pacers stop running any sort of offense nor making any shots in the paint certainly helped) and it relied on some god awful defensive principles. It's one half of basketball but I don't think this really solves anything about the Cavs.

And LBJ can reach back and get that offensive flow some nights but he also doesn't have the same juice to lock up the other teams best scorer. I'm not saying Jimmy > LBJ but for a six minute stretch of a game, it wouldn't shock me to see Jimmy score against the Smith/Shumpert crew and then come down and play James to a similar outcome. And that Smith/Shumpert crew means the Bulls can not worry about Wade's defense. And if James isn't guarding Butler, who he guarding, the four man? Great, run Niko and Portis off screens and make James/the Cavs defend that action.
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Post#408 » by dumbell78 » Fri Apr 21, 2017 3:36 am

I just want Bird to walk me through going from Vogel to Nate, and when did that ever sound like a legit idea.
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Post#409 » by RedBulls23 » Fri Apr 21, 2017 4:05 am

Paul George has to be the most unclutch "superstars" in NBA history.
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Post#410 » by arich35 » Fri Apr 21, 2017 4:08 am

How in the world do you blow that kind of lead
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Post#411 » by BloodyQ » Fri Apr 21, 2017 4:10 am

Butler4thewin wrote:Paul George getting owned by Lebron tonight is a very good thing he needs to realize he needs to join butler and work together to have a shot


You almost have to gut the whole bench for a guy like that. You know they would be asking for Portis, Valentine, Zipser, Lopez, Mirotic, and the pick.
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Post#412 » by FecesOfDeath » Fri Apr 21, 2017 4:12 am

dumbell78 wrote:I just want Bird to walk me through going from Vogel to Nate, and when did that ever sound like a legit idea.


Same reason the Bulls went from Thibs to Hoiberg. To inject a better offensive system. Vogel had his opportunity when they brought in Monta, Miles, Stuckey, and Lawson and got rid of Hibbert. Their offense still stunk.
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Post#413 » by Vee-Rex » Fri Apr 21, 2017 4:56 am

DanTown8587 wrote:That run that they made, it also didn't involve Love and Irving or Thompson. It was Williams - Shumpert/Smith - Korver - James - Frye. When you're down 20 with 18 minutes to go, it's easy to bench those guys and ride the unit that got you back in the game. But that unit still struggled to defend (the Pacers stop running any sort of offense nor making any shots in the paint certainly helped) and it relied on some god awful defensive principles. It's one half of basketball but I don't think this really solves anything about the Cavs.

And LBJ can reach back and get that offensive flow some nights but he also doesn't have the same juice to lock up the other teams best scorer. I'm not saying Jimmy > LBJ but for a six minute stretch of a game, it wouldn't shock me to see Jimmy score against the Smith/Shumpert crew and then come down and play James to a similar outcome. And that Smith/Shumpert crew means the Bulls can not worry about Wade's defense. And if James isn't guarding Butler, who he guarding, the four man? Great, run Niko and Portis off screens and make James/the Cavs defend that action.

Yep, it's that easy. You should coach in the NBA.

LeBron was GOAT-mode on practically every play on both ends of the court during that comeback. But no, that wouldn't throw a wrench into your plan.

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Post#414 » by Butler4thewin » Fri Apr 21, 2017 4:57 am

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Butler4thewin wrote:Paul George getting owned by Lebron tonight is a very good thing he needs to realize he needs to join butler and work together to have a shot


You almost have to gut the whole bench for a guy like that. You know they would be asking for Portis, Valentine, Zipser, Lopez, Mirotic, and the pick.

I wish we could give them this years pick and a few years after and valentine niko/portis but just one not both zipser or am I crazy
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Post#415 » by sh0ck » Fri Apr 21, 2017 5:18 am

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Butler4thewin wrote:Paul George getting owned by Lebron tonight is a very good thing he needs to realize he needs to join butler and work together to have a shot


You almost have to gut the whole bench for a guy like that. You know they would be asking for Portis, Valentine, Zipser, Lopez, Mirotic, and the pick.


Or you can just wait until he opts out in 2018 when the Bulls have a ton of cap room.
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Post#416 » by sh0ck » Fri Apr 21, 2017 5:21 am

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dumbell78 wrote:I just want Bird to walk me through going from Vogel to Nate, and when did that ever sound like a legit idea.


Same reason the Bulls went from Thibs to Hoiberg. To inject a better offensive system. Vogel had his opportunity when they brought in Monta, Miles, Stuckey, and Lawson and got rid of Hibbert. Their offense still stunk.


Those players they brought in (and continue to bring in) are not modern NBA players.

I do give credit to Bird for drafting Myles Turner though, he's a bit raw right now, but he has potential to be an all-round C/PF that really works well in the NBA. Unfortunately, they need him to grow up fast right now.
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Re: Around the NBA: Playoff Edition #2 

Post#417 » by Butler4thewin » Fri Apr 21, 2017 5:21 am

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Butler4thewin wrote:Paul George getting owned by Lebron tonight is a very good thing he needs to realize he needs to join butler and work together to have a shot


You almost have to gut the whole bench for a guy like that. You know they would be asking for Portis, Valentine, Zipser, Lopez, Mirotic, and the pick.


Or you can just wait until he opts out in 2018 when the Bulls have a ton of cap room.

So in 2018 how do you think our roster would look and how much cap room ?
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Post#418 » by sh0ck » Fri Apr 21, 2017 5:54 am

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You almost have to gut the whole bench for a guy like that. You know they would be asking for Portis, Valentine, Zipser, Lopez, Mirotic, and the pick.


Or you can just wait until he opts out in 2018 when the Bulls have a ton of cap room.

So in 2018 how do you think our roster would look and how much cap room ?


I think it depends on whether the FO makes a move this off season, which they have already told us they weren't planning to http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2017/03/03/gar-forman-future-salary-cap-space-vital-in-bulls-plan-moving-forward/.

Seeing how the FO has flip flopped on this team all year long, I could see them trying to add a piece (or trade for Melo) if the Bulls make a deep push in this year's playoffs. Say the Bulls pull of this 1st round upset, find a way to win in the 2nd round (very unlikely), and put up a good series against LeBron in the ECF. GarPax might just say "Screw it" and use their 23-27 million dollars under the cap to overpay a "good not great" player to hopefully contend in 2017-2018 while resigning RFAs Felicio and Mirotic.

Say the Bulls flame out in the 2nd round, I could see them saying, "Boston was a fluke," and just bringing the same team next year (depending on Mirotic's price) without adding any major piece (outside of the #16 1st rounder and #38 2nd rounder).

In scenario 1,

Bulls would have limited cap space to add anyone in 2018, since any deal to a new player will certainly extend more than 1 year. And picking up Melo's shorter deal still bleeds into 2018-2019. Say they pick up Melo's deal in this year's off season (which has 2 years left, one of them being an opt-out in 2018-2019). I highly doubt Melo opts out of his final year of 28 million dollars, but if he does, the Bulls could maybe get him to sign a smaller annual deal with more years. Wade and Rondo will be off the books. Without Wade/Rondo/Melo, the Bulls would only have Jimmy/RoLo/Denzel/Grant/Portis/Zipser/Payne for a total of 46.42 million dollars. With Melo that total comes to 74 million (which leaves 31 million in cap space if you renounce Wade/Rondo). However, if Mirotic/Felicio was kept on board, that figure is most likely in the teens (rough estimates of 15 million for the both). So most likely those dollars would be spent keeping Rondo and Wade at reasonable prices (even if Melo opted out and restructured).

In scenario 2,

If the Bulls stand pat in 2018, they will have 46.42 million (also dependent on Mirotic/Felicio's RFA contracts). This gives them 59 million under the cap to offer a max level contract Paul George, while maintaining the mini-Bird rights to resign Wade and Rondo. Another interesting development could be in New Orleans, where the Boogie Cousins and AD experience has an opportunity to

This gets tricky however, because more factors would have to fall into place.

1. Pacers would have to not trade Paul George and continue the current disappointing trend (likely), or Paul George gets traded to a non-contender only to leave them (unlikely).
2. Bulls would have to recreate the magic of this post season with Wade and Rondo another year older to allure Paul George to sign with the Bulls, while the younger players develop to fill bigger roles.
3. Paul George would have to NOT qualify for the DVPE, or turn down a TON of dollars to sign with a contender.
4. Wade would have to agree to come off the bench (at 37 years old, this seems like a reasonable request).
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Re: Around the NBA: Playoff Edition #2 

Post#419 » by dumbell78 » Fri Apr 21, 2017 6:18 am

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dumbell78 wrote:I just want Bird to walk me through going from Vogel to Nate, and when did that ever sound like a legit idea.


Same reason the Bulls went from Thibs to Hoiberg. To inject a better offensive system. Vogel had his opportunity when they brought in Monta, Miles, Stuckey, and Lawson and got rid of Hibbert. Their offense still stunk.


But wouldn't that mean a clear powerhouse offensive head coach, and not Nate friggin McDLT?
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Post#420 » by MrSparkle » Fri Apr 21, 2017 6:32 am

Man... how about Vince Carter still starting in playoff games at the age of 40? Registered 36 minutes at that, in a win against the Spurs. :o Big props to the guy. I guess Manu's right there, too.

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