Trade Post-Mortem 2017: Eight is Enough

[FlatearthZorro]

No Griffin pls. He's talented as hell but he's made out of glass. Barring a miracle he will retire in his early 30's the way things are going.

[SmartWentCrazy]

No Griffin pls. He's talented as hell but he's made out of glass. Barring a miracle he will retire in his early 30's the way things are going.

Kevin Durant has missed more games the past three years (85) than Griffin has (83).

He's had some bad luck, but he was an MVP candidate a few years ago and wouldn't be available if it weren't for the bad luck. If Hayward makes an All-NBA team, Griffin would be our only option to add a max caliber player via FA for the foreseeable future. I'd rather pay him 30+ million and gamble on his health luck reverting to normal than sign two mediocre big men like Amir Johnson for 15+ a season.

[bucknersrevenge]

I'm pretty much in on a cheap Melo move if they strike out in FA. Interesting the coaching staff was into it.

In the event of a Paul George trade... what's the next move? Best available player option is signing Hayward, but that still leaves the front court lacking.

If George is the route we go, in terms of order of operations, we sign JaMychal Green to an offer sheet and hope Memphis can't match. THEN, we trade for George with whomever we drafted, likely Jaylen Brown and filler. I think its George OR Hayward, not both.

IT
AB
PG
JGreen
Horford

with Smart, Bae (going to the bench but still playing a good bit of 3/4), Zizic, and maybe a vet big signing as the rotation.

If it's Hayward, my thought has been draft and keep Fultz, trade for Vucevic.

[brackdan70]

I'm pretty much in on a cheap Melo move if they strike out in FA. Interesting the coaching staff was into it.

In the event of a Paul George trade... what's the next move? Best available player option is signing Hayward, but that still leaves the front court lacking.

If George is the route we go, in terms of order of operations, we sign JaMychal Green to an offer sheet and hope Memphis can't match. THEN, we trade for George with whomever we drafted, likely Jaylen Brown and filler. I think its George OR Hayward, not both.

IT
AB
PG
JGreen
Horford

with Smart, Bae (going to the bench but still playing a good bit of 3/4), Zizic, and maybe a vet big signing as the rotation.

If it's Hayward, my thought has been draft and keep Fultz, trade for Vucevic.

what kind of offer do you think it takes to pry Green away? I like the dudes energy and game, but I think they match up to 15 million no problem and probably go higher.

[bucknersrevenge]

I'm pretty much in on a cheap Melo move if they strike out in FA. Interesting the coaching staff was into it.

In the event of a Paul George trade... what's the next move? Best available player option is signing Hayward, but that still leaves the front court lacking.

If George is the route we go, in terms of order of operations, we sign JaMychal Green to an offer sheet and hope Memphis can't match. THEN, we trade for George with whomever we drafted, likely Jaylen Brown and filler. I think its George OR Hayward, not both.

IT
AB
PG
JGreen
Horford

with Smart, Bae (going to the bench but still playing a good bit of 3/4), Zizic, and maybe a vet big signing as the rotation.

If it's Hayward, my thought has been draft and keep Fultz, trade for Vucevic.

what kind of offer do you think it takes to pry Green away? I like the dudes energy and game, but I think they match up to 15 million no problem and probably go higher.

We have a few options in free agency but if Green's the guy, we go get him. 4/90. Don't **** around. Give Memphis something to think about. Sure they shed Z-Bo's contract next season but if they match that deal they will be almost at the cap with really not a lot of opportunities to improve on a 7 seed team. They really shot themselves in the foot with the Parson's deal. Meanwhile At 22.5 mil, we don't have to renounce as many players to have enough space to fit him in. And yes, he will be worth that in today's NBA. After that we could trade for PG probably if we do it all in the right order. This is there will be no immediate press conference or signing of our draft pick until late in the offseason again.

But yeah Green fits nicely at the 4. Really good kid too. Fits right in character-wise. Tough too. Brother was murdered when he was a baby. Set up a foundation for Montgomery youth.

A few good reads on why he would be a solid addition to this team:
http://www.slamonline.com/nba/jamychal-green-home-made-grizzlies-interview-alabama/#DDA2LaRKKA7ceapF.97
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2704610-he-made-how-much-predicting-the-worst-contracts-of-2017-nba-offseason
http://www.grizzlybearblues.com/2017/1/2/14144438/jamychal-green-memphis-grizzlies-nba-trade-rumors-contract

In that last one from January that writer severely underestimates the value of a player with that skillset. Let's be clear, Green's about to blow up

[FlatearthZorro]

No Griffin pls. He's talented as hell but he's made out of glass. Barring a miracle he will retire in his early 30's the way things are going.

Kevin Durant has missed more games the past three years (85) than Griffin has (83).

He's had some bad luck, but he was an MVP candidate a few years ago and wouldn't be available if it weren't for the bad luck. If Hayward makes an All-NBA team, Griffin would be our only option to add a max caliber player via FA for the foreseeable future. I'd rather pay him 30+ million and gamble on his health luck reverting to normal than sign two mediocre big men like Amir Johnson for 15+ a season.

Good comparasion, but I'd still probably take Millsap. No idea how many games Millsap has missed.

[SmartWentCrazy]

If George is the route we go, in terms of order of operations, we sign JaMychal Green to an offer sheet and hope Memphis can't match. THEN, we trade for George with whomever we drafted, likely Jaylen Brown and filler. I think its George OR Hayward, not both.

IT
AB
PG
JGreen
Horford

with Smart, Bae (going to the bench but still playing a good bit of 3/4), Zizic, and maybe a vet big signing as the rotation.

If it's Hayward, my thought has been draft and keep Fultz, trade for Vucevic.

what kind of offer do you think it takes to pry Green away? I like the dudes energy and game, but I think they match up to 15 million no problem and probably go higher.

We have a few options in free agency but if Green's the guy, we go get him. 4/90. Don't **** around. Give Memphis something to think about. Sure they shed Z-Bo's contract next season but if they match that deal they will be almost at the cap with really not a lot of opportunities to improve on a 7 seed team. They really shot themselves in the foot with the Parson's deal. Meanwhile At 22.5 mil, we don't have to renounce as many players to have enough space to fit him in. And yes, he will be worth that in today's NBA. After that we could trade for PG probably if we do it all in the right order. This is there will be no immediate press conference or signing of our draft pick until late in the offseason again.

But yeah Green fits nicely at the 4. Really good kid too. Fits right in character-wise. Tough too. Brother was murdered when he was a baby. Set up a foundation for Montgomery youth.

A few good reads on why he would be a solid addition to this team:
http://www.slamonline.com/nba/jamychal-green-home-made-grizzlies-interview-alabama/#DDA2LaRKKA7ceapF.97
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2704610-he-made-how-much-predicting-the-worst-contracts-of-2017-nba-offseason
http://www.grizzlybearblues.com/2017/1/2/14144438/jamychal-green-memphis-grizzlies-nba-trade-rumors-contract

In that last one from January that writer severely underestimates the value of a player with that skillset. Let's be clear, Green's about to blow up

Curiously, why would you rather pay Green 22.5 than pay Griffin 30? Is it because you prefer not trading one of Bradley/Crowder and signing Green over Griffin?

[brackdan70]

If George is the route we go, in terms of order of operations, we sign JaMychal Green to an offer sheet and hope Memphis can't match. THEN, we trade for George with whomever we drafted, likely Jaylen Brown and filler. I think its George OR Hayward, not both.

IT
AB
PG
JGreen
Horford

with Smart, Bae (going to the bench but still playing a good bit of 3/4), Zizic, and maybe a vet big signing as the rotation.

If it's Hayward, my thought has been draft and keep Fultz, trade for Vucevic.

what kind of offer do you think it takes to pry Green away? I like the dudes energy and game, but I think they match up to 15 million no problem and probably go higher.

We have a few options in free agency but if Green's the guy, we go get him. 4/90. Don't **** around. Give Memphis something to think about. Sure they shed Z-Bo's contract next season but if they match that deal they will be almost at the cap with really not a lot of opportunities to improve on a 7 seed team. They really shot themselves in the foot with the Parson's deal. Meanwhile At 22.5 mil, we don't have to renounce as many players to have enough space to fit him in. And yes, he will be worth that in today's NBA. After that we could trade for PG probably if we do it all in the right order. This is there will be no immediate press conference or signing of our draft pick until late in the offseason again.

But yeah Green fits nicely at the 4. Really good kid too. Fits right in character-wise. Tough too. Brother was murdered when he was a baby. Set up a foundation for Montgomery youth.

A few good reads on why he would be a solid addition to this team:
http://www.slamonline.com/nba/jamychal-green-home-made-grizzlies-interview-alabama/#DDA2LaRKKA7ceapF.97
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2704610-he-made-how-much-predicting-the-worst-contracts-of-2017-nba-offseason
http://www.grizzlybearblues.com/2017/1/2/14144438/jamychal-green-memphis-grizzlies-nba-trade-rumors-contract

In that last one from January that writer severely underestimates the value of a player with that skillset. Let's be clear, Green's about to blow up

yes I totally agree. I think it will take that much, and he would be a good fit. If the Cs get the 1 pick they have 18.4 million in space without any moves. Could get to a starting salary of 20 million plus really easy.

[brackdan70]

what kind of offer do you think it takes to pry Green away? I like the dudes energy and game, but I think they match up to 15 million no problem and probably go higher.

We have a few options in free agency but if Green's the guy, we go get him. 4/90. Don't **** around. Give Memphis something to think about. Sure they shed Z-Bo's contract next season but if they match that deal they will be almost at the cap with really not a lot of opportunities to improve on a 7 seed team. They really shot themselves in the foot with the Parson's deal. Meanwhile At 22.5 mil, we don't have to renounce as many players to have enough space to fit him in. And yes, he will be worth that in today's NBA. After that we could trade for PG probably if we do it all in the right order. This is there will be no immediate press conference or signing of our draft pick until late in the offseason again.

But yeah Green fits nicely at the 4. Really good kid too. Fits right in character-wise. Tough too. Brother was murdered when he was a baby. Set up a foundation for Montgomery youth.

A few good reads on why he would be a solid addition to this team:
http://www.slamonline.com/nba/jamychal-green-home-made-grizzlies-interview-alabama/#DDA2LaRKKA7ceapF.97
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2704610-he-made-how-much-predicting-the-worst-contracts-of-2017-nba-offseason
http://www.grizzlybearblues.com/2017/1/2/14144438/jamychal-green-memphis-grizzlies-nba-trade-rumors-contract

In that last one from January that writer severely underestimates the value of a player with that skillset. Let's be clear, Green's about to blow up

Curiously, why would you rather pay Green 22.5 than pay Griffin 30? Is it because you prefer not trading one of Bradley/Crowder and signing Green over Griffin?

I don't see him saying that exactly...

I would rather have Griffin myself, but that requires a lot of roster action to get that much space.

[SmartWentCrazy]

We have a few options in free agency but if Green's the guy, we go get him. 4/90. Don't **** around. Give Memphis something to think about. Sure they shed Z-Bo's contract next season but if they match that deal they will be almost at the cap with really not a lot of opportunities to improve on a 7 seed team. They really shot themselves in the foot with the Parson's deal. Meanwhile At 22.5 mil, we don't have to renounce as many players to have enough space to fit him in. And yes, he will be worth that in today's NBA. After that we could trade for PG probably if we do it all in the right order. This is there will be no immediate press conference or signing of our draft pick until late in the offseason again.

But yeah Green fits nicely at the 4. Really good kid too. Fits right in character-wise. Tough too. Brother was murdered when he was a baby. Set up a foundation for Montgomery youth.

A few good reads on why he would be a solid addition to this team:
http://www.slamonline.com/nba/jamychal-green-home-made-grizzlies-interview-alabama/#DDA2LaRKKA7ceapF.97
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2704610-he-made-how-much-predicting-the-worst-contracts-of-2017-nba-offseason
http://www.grizzlybearblues.com/2017/1/2/14144438/jamychal-green-memphis-grizzlies-nba-trade-rumors-contract

In that last one from January that writer severely underestimates the value of a player with that skillset. Let's be clear, Green's about to blow up

Curiously, why would you rather pay Green 22.5 than pay Griffin 30? Is it because you prefer not trading one of Bradley/Crowder and signing Green over Griffin?

I don't see him saying that exactly...

I would rather have Griffin myself, but that requires a lot of roster action to get that much space.

He's not explicitly stating that and I could 100% be wrong. It just seems odd to target a non-max guy after trading for PG13.

I would personally prefer striking out on Griffin than paying Green 22.5. I think Griffin would be hard pressed to turn down the opportunity to join an IT/PG13/Horford core out east and am 100% okay with falling flat on your face to swing for the fences here. Hoping to hear/learn of a strong counter, honestly, especially given that this is a low probability outcome.

[bucknersrevenge]

Curiously, why would you rather pay Green 22.5 than pay Griffin 30? Is it because you prefer not trading one of Bradley/Crowder and signing Green over Griffin?

I don't see him saying that exactly...

I would rather have Griffin myself, but that requires a lot of roster action to get that much space.

He's not explicitly stating that and I could 100% be wrong. It just seems odd to target a non-max guy after trading for PG13.

I would personally prefer striking out on Griffin than paying Green 22.5. I think Griffin would be hard pressed to turn down the opportunity to join an IT/PG13/Horford core out east and am 100% okay with falling flat on your face to swing for the fences here. Hoping to hear/learn of a strong counter, honestly, especially given that this is a low probability outcome.

A few reasons why I target Green. Mainly, I just don't see Griffin leaving. I don't....not to come East anyway. I think he loves the LA lifestyle. The team is still pretty good. If he left at all, I think maybe he might go home to pair up with Westbrook but I don't see him coming East. He's still talented but I am also concerned about the injury history now adding up and becoming a factor over the course of his next contract. There is no a very real argument about just how reliable he will be over the next 4 years. As it relates to Green, he's young, 26 years old (turns 27 in June) and I think he's on the cusp of his best season. Low usage guy but finishes effectively. Can space out to the 3. Shot 38% from out there. Underrated defender that can reliably switch on PnR. Rebounds well. Athletic. Good character kid. Really a nice fit for Stevens offense at the 4. And since you do bring it up, a starting 5 of: IT/AB/PG/Green/Al would be an excellent versative 5 man unit with shooting and defense just about everywhere.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

Ugh. Green for 4yrs/$90 million would be a terrible contract, right up there with the contracts Portland gave Evan Turner and Crabbe last year. I'd rather clear cap space and chase Griffin at the max. Gambling on the health of an All-Star >>> gambling that much money to hope Green reaches his potential.

[165bows]

Hayward is putting up a 26/8/3 on 60% TS right now in the playoffs.

Plus with Gobert down it looks like George Hill on an expiring deal and 40 year old Joe Johnson have been his biggest help.

It's less exciting than the Durant chase but that's got to be the priority this summer IMO. If another star is available cheap in trade then great, but adding an AS caliber wing for nothing but money is a no brainer right now.

[bucknersrevenge]

Ugh. Green for 4yrs/$90 million would be a terrible contract, right up there with the contracts Portland gave Evan Turner and Crabbe last year. I'd rather clear cap space and chase Griffin at the max. Gambling on the health of an All-Star >>> gambling that much money to hope Green reaches his potential.

I disagree. I see a player that put up solid numbers this year. He's in his prime and his best is yet to come. Everything in his skillset fit in with what we do here. He's an efficient, low usage player. I think he's a better defender than Griffin FWIW. I get why you like Griffin. I just don't trust him nor believe that he would come here. I'd rather clear cap space and chase Hayward, or trade for PG myself than go after Blake.

EDIT: Green had he played enough minutes would have qualified for top 15 in TS% and eFG% and I say that while he averaged 27 mpg. So he wasn't far off. Gotta think 3 or 4 more mpg wouldn't change much. If we add a Hayward or a George to IT those 2 players are gonna have a high usage. Then add in how much Al handles. We need to have some guys that are comfortable playing off the actions of others and finishing plays either in the paint or on the perimeter.

[Wes-J]

Green is a terrible idea with all due respect. We have those kinds of guys right now and that's our problem. We need A-listers, we need a few guys that can carry us in the playoffs.

[brackdan70]

Ugh. Green for 4yrs/$90 million would be a terrible contract, right up there with the contracts Portland gave Evan Turner and Crabbe last year. I'd rather clear cap space and chase Griffin at the max. Gambling on the health of an All-Star >>> gambling that much money to hope Green reaches his potential.

a fair point, but the likelihood that Green is worth it is much higher iMO. efficient high energy player, good rebounder, defender, and good range. A much better all around player than Crabbe and Turner.

[Homerclease]

Green is a terrible idea with all due respect. We have those kinds of guys right now and that's our problem. We need A-listers, we need a few guys that can carry us in the playoffs.

If we had any kind of guy like Green in the front court right now then this series is already a wrap. Green is a massive upgrade to the slobs the Celtics are running out there

[Captain_Caveman]

If George is the route we go, in terms of order of operations, we sign JaMychal Green to an offer sheet and hope Memphis can't match. THEN, we trade for George with whomever we drafted, likely Jaylen Brown and filler. I think its George OR Hayward, not both.

IT
AB
PG
JGreen
Horford

with Smart, Bae (going to the bench but still playing a good bit of 3/4), Zizic, and maybe a vet big signing as the rotation.

If it's Hayward, my thought has been draft and keep Fultz, trade for Vucevic.

what kind of offer do you think it takes to pry Green away? I like the dudes energy and game, but I think they match up to 15 million no problem and probably go higher.

We have a few options in free agency but if Green's the guy, we go get him. 4/90. Don't **** around. Give Memphis something to think about. Sure they shed Z-Bo's contract next season but if they match that deal they will be almost at the cap with really not a lot of opportunities to improve on a 7 seed team. They really shot themselves in the foot with the Parson's deal. Meanwhile At 22.5 mil, we don't have to renounce as many players to have enough space to fit him in. And yes, he will be worth that in today's NBA. After that we could trade for PG probably if we do it all in the right order. This is there will be no immediate press conference or signing of our draft pick until late in the offseason again.

But yeah Green fits nicely at the 4. Really good kid too. Fits right in character-wise. Tough too. Brother was murdered when he was a baby. Set up a foundation for Montgomery youth.

A few good reads on why he would be a solid addition to this team:
http://www.slamonline.com/nba/jamychal-green-home-made-grizzlies-interview-alabama/#DDA2LaRKKA7ceapF.97
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2704610-he-made-how-much-predicting-the-worst-contracts-of-2017-nba-offseason
http://www.grizzlybearblues.com/2017/1/2/14144438/jamychal-green-memphis-grizzlies-nba-trade-rumors-contract

In that last one from January that writer severely underestimates the value of a player with that skillset. Let's be clear, Green's about to blow up

No big contracts to role players, please. Buy low or not at all, and only after we strike out on the big fish, and the medium fish too.

Would rather just resign Amir and Jerebko for the trade fodder than give Green that kind of loot.

[Captain_Caveman]

Green is a terrible idea with all due respect. We have those kinds of guys right now and that's our problem. We need A-listers, we need a few guys that can carry us in the playoffs.

If we had any kind of guy like Green in the front court right now then this series is already a wrap. Green is a massive upgrade to the slobs the Celtics are running out there

Who cares?

If it improves our ability to build a contender over the other available options, do it.

And if not, don't.

Helping us get out of the 1st or 2nd round in the East is not even a consideration here.

[Homerclease]

Green is a terrible idea with all due respect. We have those kinds of guys right now and that's our problem. We need A-listers, we need a few guys that can carry us in the playoffs.

If we had any kind of guy like Green in the front court right now then this series is already a wrap. Green is a massive upgrade to the slobs the Celtics are running out there

Who cares?

If it improves our ability to build a contender over the other available options, do it.

And if not, don't.

Helping us get out of the 1st or 2nd round in the East is not even a consideration here.

That was the point.